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@HickvonFrick - for going back your Dad will need a PCR test, how does that work for a non-resident, any idea of cost ?

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No, theyíve got their hands full.
ď Mr Shapps said: ďWe want to welcome international visitors back to the UK and are working to extend our approach to vaccinated passengers from important destinations.ĒĒ

I donít know what constitutes an important destination, but I guess it will be the EU and America first.
More likely to be Schengen / EFTA - first one because otherwise it's a bit pointless, second one because it's not EU and makes a point post-Brexit...
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It's not that they don't recognise Swiss vaccines. You'd face the same restrictions if your vaccine had been administered in the uk. It's s as case of not recognising any vaccine at present for travel purposes.
No, if your vaccine was administered in the UK, from 19th July you will be able to go on holiday to an amber list country and not have to quarantine.

However a fully vaccinated non-UK resident, vaccinated with exactly the same vaccine as was administered in the UK, has to continue to quarantine if they wish to go back to the UK to visit their family. In theory this means my parents can come here but I canít go to them. In practice, as they now find travel too stressful and in any case canít get travel insurance post-COVID, we are still prevented from seeing each other.

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I mean I disagree with Covid restrictions on the vaccinated, but this is not a matter of treating different nationalities differently. The main people affected are uk residents who are essentially unable to go on holiday.
No, UK residents wanting to go on holiday are exactly the people not affected. They may do what they like (as long as they are old enough to have had the vaccine and are young enough to be able to get travel insurance!).
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However a fully vaccinated non-UK resident, vaccinated with exactly the same vaccine as was administered in the UK, has to continue to quarantine if they wish to go back to the UK to visit their family. In theory this means my parents can come here but I can’t go to them. In practice, as they now find travel too stressful and in any case can’t get travel insurance post-COVID, we are still prevented from seeing each other.

sorry to hear about this, am also in this same predicament (also with others here) I am fully vaccinated with said same vaccines but I can't go over without quarantining which means I miss out on a relative's funeral. I did see that our local's put something out which might give us hope for near future but who knows when we are not required to quarantine anymore (if not by July 19th then hopefully not too long after)


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sorry to hear about this, am also in this same predicament (also with others here) I am fully vaccinated with said same vaccines but I can't go over without quarantining which means I miss out on a relative's funeral. I did see that our local's put something out which might give us hope for near future but who knows when we are not required to quarantine anymore (if not by July 19th then hopefully not too long after)
So sorry to hear also about your situation. I think there must be thousands of us in similar or worse situations and I really feel that we are being unfairly discriminated against.

Unfortunately I am not too optimistic that it will change quickly because there seems not to be the political will for it in the UK. Switzerland has already been recognising vaccines from other countries, it was just the ease of the mutual app recognition that was missing (and still is, for non-EU countries). Switzerland have and still recognise e.g. UK and US administered vaccines, you just need the paper certificate in that case.

So there is zero reason why the UK canít do the same, they just donít want to.
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sorry to hear about this, am also in this same predicament (also with others here) I am fully vaccinated with said same vaccines but I can't go over without quarantining which means I miss out on a relative's funeral. I did see that our local's put something out which might give us hope for near future but who knows when we are not required to quarantine anymore (if not by July 19th then hopefully not too long after)


You can legally leave quarantine in the UK to go to a funeral & you can return home to CH at any time, so no need to miss your relatives funeral.
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You can legally leave quarantine in the UK to go to a funeral & you can return home to CH at any time, so no need to miss your relatives funeral.
i didn't know this thanks. but it is also too close a date now for me to organise the travel arrangements. maybe someone else can benefit from this.
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You should really check out the facts before commenting. Everything changed yesterday - well for people NHS vaccinated it did!
From the Shapps (Transport Secretary) speech:

"However, as I made clear last week, we want to welcome international visitors back to the UK and are working to extend our approach to vaccinated passengers from important markets and holiday destinations later this summer, such as the USA and the EU. I will update the House in due course on how we approach vaccinated individuals from other countries."

So perhaps I jumped the gun a bit for saying everyone will be treated the same. But so did the rest of you in saying that they wouldn't. It doesn't exactly sound that they are planning on barring tourists. The use of "summer" implies opening this month or next. I think they will just be asking for equivalence status for the NHS and EU apps - seems reasonable.

The delay is quite likely due to the Indian AZ jab getting recognised by the EU - which affects quite a lot of Brits, including my dad. It hasn't been allowed by the EU (simply because no application has been filed as the Serum Institute of India isn't planning on supplying Europe).

I'm not blaming the EU for this either - its just something that will have to be ironed out and there's a lot on Ministers plates. But people need to understand that the UK can hardly recognise EU vaccine passports without assurance that the EU will recognise British ones. I think all sides will be pragmatic. Switzerland should be easy as we seem happy to recognise any WHO, and everyone recognises Pfizer and Moderna...

But for some people, its just any chance to have a go at the UK after Brexit, regardless of the facts / situation. ... N.B. Shapps was a remainer. I don't see anyone having a go at Biden - and the US have tougher controls than the UK do atm.

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@HickvonFrick - for going back your Dad will need a PCR test, how does that work for a non-resident, any idea of cost ?

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Not sure yet, he will be staying for at least a month.
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From the Shapps (Transport Secretary) speech:

"However, as I made clear last week, we want to welcome international visitors back to the UK and are working to extend our approach to vaccinated passengers from important markets and holiday destinations later this summer, such as the USA and the EU. I will update the House in due course on how we approach vaccinated individuals from other countries."

So perhaps I jumped the gun a bit for saying everyone will be treated the same. But so did the rest of you in saying that they wouldn't. It doesn't exactly sound that they are planning on barring tourists. The use of "summer" implies opening this month or next. I think they will just be asking for equivalence status for the NHS and EU apps - seems reasonable.

The delay is quite likely due to the Indian AZ jab getting recognised by the EU - which affects quite a lot of Brits, including my dad. It hasn't been allowed by the EU (because no application has been filed as the Serum Institute of India isn't planning on supplying Europe).

I'm not blaming the EU for this either - its just something that will have to be ironed out. But people need to understand that the UK can hardly recognise EU vaccine passports without assurance that the EU will recognise British ones. I think all sides will be pragmatic.

But for some people, its just any chance to have a go at the UK after Brexit... N.B. Shapps was a remainer.
Itís not about barring foreign tourists from the UK itís about accepting vaccinations carried out outside the UK.

As things stand at the moment my brother could come here to visit me in Switzerland without having to quarantine and as long as Switzerland remains on the amber list return to the UK after July 19th without having to quarantine there as he has his UK vaccination card.

If I were to go to visit my brother in the UK after July 19th I would have to quarantine despite being vaccinated with exactly the same vaccine as my brother because I wasnít vaccinated in the UK by the NHS.

Thatís not treating everyone equally. Itís even more ridiculous because I am a UK citizen and am not even going to be visiting as a tourist.
Itís unfair to British citizens resident overseas.

For lots of brits overseas the school summer holidays are an opportunity for their children to visit the grandparents and other family over there. By the time the UK government gets their act together the school holidays will be pretty much over and the children will have missed out again.

Itís fine though as the British residents will all have had a chance to jet off to Tenerife or Benidorm so theyíll be happy.
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So sorry to hear also about your situation. I think there must be thousands of us in similar or worse situations and I really feel that we are being unfairly discriminated against.

Unfortunately I am not too optimistic that it will change quickly because there seems not to be the political will for it in the UK. Switzerland has already been recognising vaccines from other countries, it was just the ease of the mutual app recognition that was missing (and still is, for non-EU countries). Switzerland have and still recognise e.g. UK and US administered vaccines, you just need the paper certificate in that case.

So there is zero reason why the UK can’t do the same, they just don’t want to.
Unfortunately this is not the case. Switzerland's vaccines are recognised by all Western countries, so it doesn't really have a problem. Many EU countries do not recognise all of the vaccines administered in the UK. Some EU countries do. Switzerland does.

Hypothetically the UK could welcome Swiss vaccine passports and not EU ones (until the EU recognises all British ones), but that would upset a lot of people and enrage the rejoiners. Realistically Swiss passports will likely be recognised concurrently with EU ones.

Ultimately they need to make sure the millions of people who had SIII jabs can travel as freely as anyone else. That's just a government trying to protect the interests of its own citizens.
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It’s not about barring foreign tourists from the UK it’s about accepting vaccinations carried out outside the UK.

As things stand at the moment my brother could come here to visit me in Switzerland without having to quarantine and as long as Switzerland remains on the amber list return to the UK after July 19th without having to quarantine there as he has his UK vaccination card.

If I were to go to visit my brother in the UK after July 19th I would have to quarantine despite being vaccinated with exactly the same vaccine as my brother because I wasn’t vaccinated in the UK by the NHS.

That’s not treating everyone equally. It’s even more ridiculous because I am a UK citizen and am not even going to be visiting as a tourist.
It’s unfair to British citizens resident overseas.

For lots of brits overseas the school summer holidays are an opportunity for their children to visit the grandparents and other family over there. By the time the UK government gets their act together the school holidays will be pretty much over and the children will have missed out again.

It’s fine though as the British residents will all have had a chance to jet off to Tenerife or Benidorm so they’ll be happy.
Let's be honest - in any democracy this is how it works (regardless of the party in power). They'd base it on voting rights rather than residency if the number of expat voters was big enough to make a difference!

Switzerland applies a lot more logic to these things in general, probably because it's better organised than almost everywhere else and can handle it without having miles of queues at border control etc.

Currently UK is hardly letting anyone in, and even so you can't get through Heathrow in under several hours. Imagine if they had to actually think about it during that process
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So perhaps I jumped the gun a bit for saying everyone will be treated the same. But so did the rest of you in saying that they wouldn't. It doesn't exactly sound that they are planning on barring tourists. The use of "summer" implies opening this month or next. I think they will just ask for equivalence status for the NHS and EU apps - seems reasonable.
My kids are on their summer holidays now and will most likely be back at school by the time this is sorted out. Switzerland, a country with far less resources than the UK has managed to get their shit together, so please don't give these clowns an easy way out. They have had months to sort this out and the critical travel season is now, so I'm not really buying this.

The reason this is causing so much anger is that its by definition Kafkaesque, a British person given the same vaccine in London or Zurich is being treated differently. And the cost to the ZH vaccinated person isn't small, its 6-10 days total quarantine and hundreds in unnecessary and wasteful testing.


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But for some people, its just any chance to have a go at the UK after Brexit... N.B. Shapps was a remainer.
Its not a personal attack on him, he's just the messenger. Its the entire hostile, anti-European, unhelpful demeanor of this government and the politicization of something as fundamental as health. Why should it matter if there is reciprocity or not? you should be driven by doing the right thing ourselves, following the science.. not tit for tat arguments with the EU.
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Itís not about barring foreign tourists from the UK itís about accepting vaccinations carried out outside the UK.

As things stand at the moment my brother could come here to visit me in Switzerland without having to quarantine and as long as Switzerland remains on the amber list return to the UK after July 19th without having to quarantine there as he has his UK vaccination card.

If I were to go to visit my brother in the UK after July 19th I would have to quarantine despite being vaccinated with exactly the same vaccine as my brother because I wasnít vaccinated in the UK by the NHS.

Thatís not treating everyone equally. Itís even more ridiculous because I am a UK citizen and am not even going to be visiting as a tourist.
Itís unfair to British citizens resident overseas.
I'm in a similar situation. I would like to visit my 97 year old father, who I haven't seen since just about a year ago, when there was a window of opportunity to go to the UK. Since about September last year, the UK has effectively been closed.
I've been doubly vaccinated, but am particularly shocked by the UK's attitude to vaccinations not administered by the NHS. That is discriminatory.
If the EU has managed to put in place a system of mutually recognized certificates, open to non-EU members (Switzerland and other EEA members), then why is the UK being so toffee-nosed about their process. I can't for a second imagine that the NHS certification system is any better than that put together by the EU.
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My kids are on their summer holidays now and will most likely be back at school by the time this is sorted out. Switzerland, a country with far less resources than the UK has managed to get their shit together, so please don't give these clowns an easy way out. They have had months to sort this out and the critical travel season is now, so I'm not really buying this.

The reason this is causing so much anger is that its by definition Kafkaesque, a British person given the same vaccine in London or Zurich is being treated differently. And the cost to the ZH vaccinated person isn't small, its 6-10 days total quarantine and hundreds in unnecessary and wasteful testing.


Its not a personal attack on him, he's just the messenger. Its the entire hostile, anti-European, unhelpful demeanor of this government and the politicization of something as fundamental as health. Why should it matter if there is reciprocity or not? you should be driven by doing the right thing ourselves, following the science.. not tit for tat arguments with the EU.
Governments are there to protect the interests of its people. At the minute, 5M fully vaccinated British people are banned from travelling (or face quarantine - can't remember which) from most European countries. Is it that unreasonable to attempt to sort this out by holding for equivalence rather than acting unilaterally?

Why not blame the EU for not acting more quickly on this? If they had said publically they would recognise SIII jabs for the purposes of travel this whole issue would have gone away.

I'm not blaming them either - they might well have had more important fish to fry, and are just getting round to this, but its now time they did indeed recognise these jabs. That's all the UK is asking for. Ball is definitely in the EU court.

Hopefully in the next couple of weeks we will get our answer.
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I'm in a similar situation. I would like to visit my 97 year old father, who I haven't seen since just about a year ago, when there was a window of opportunity to go to the UK. Since about September last year, the UK has effectively been closed.
I've been doubly vaccinated, but am particularly shocked by the UK's attitude to vaccinations not administered by the NHS. That is discriminatory.
If the EU has managed to put in place a system of mutually recognized certificates, open to non-EU members (Switzerland and other EEA members), then why is the UK being so toffee-nosed about their process. I can't for a second imagine that the NHS certification system is any better than that put together by the EU.
The EU certificate currently discriminates based on where your AZ jab was manufactured, which is equally discriminatory (again, not pointing fingers, just needs fixing).

My (British) father's perfectly decent vaccine is not recognised by the EU at large, although some of the touristy countries took it open themselves to recognise it.

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Governments are there to protect the interests of its people. At the minute, 5M fully vaccinated British people are banned from travelling (or face quarantine - can't remember which) from most European countries. Is it that unreasonable to attempt to sort this out by holding for equivalence rather than acting unilaterally?
Isn't this a response to the elevated delta variant cases in the UK?
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Isn't this a response to the elevated delta variant cases in the UK?
No. It's because some AZ jabs were manufactured in India by SIII.

EU recognises normal AZ, but not Indian SIII AZ.
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Isn't this a response to the elevated delta variant cases in the UK?
No, it's the AZ vaccine was produced in India.
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No. It's because some AZ jabs were manufactured in India by SIII.

EU recognises normal AZ, but not Indian SIII AZ.
This should be a relatively straightforward issue to resolve, AZ just needs to add SII to their European licence as additional manufacturer and then it will be recognised. Its clunky and bureaucratic but doesn't seem to be based on ill will.
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