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Living in Wallis, any issues with agriculture

Hi Folks,

My search for property does not end, too many close calls with homes sold from under our nose or withdrawn from market (sold privately) but I guess this is to be expected considering how overheated the market is. Next destination of interest is Wallis, in the area of Sion.

I read quite a lot about Wallis and find it interesting place (it is backwater location and yet it has fibre optics internet almost everywhere! Whoa!) but one thing that worries me a lot is intensive agriculture / wineyards that could produce heck a lot of noise and, even more worrying: exposure to chemicals.

Does anyone have a home or know someone with the home in Wallis, close (within 200-300m) to fruit fields / wineyards? What are your experiences with agriculture there? How often do they spray pesticides onto the fields and how bad is noise around the year?

Videos on Youtube look scary, choppers flying like kamikaze at the altitude of 2-5 meters, spraying huge clouds of poison. K-tipp writes that many people living next to fields have health issues (central nerve system apparently).

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Never seen any such thing (oh and also my internet is appalling).
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Re: Living in Wallis, any issues with agriculture

I'm beginning to understand why your hunting for property is endless.

There are probably a few patches left on the moon to build on. There is a severe lack of oxygen to be considered there though.

Anyway, as long as the journey is its own reward, keep going. I look forward to read more about Wallis. If the info you get here is good, I might be there before you
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Does anyone have a home or know someone with the home in Wallis, close (within 200-300m) to fruit fields / wineyards? What are your experiences with agriculture there? How often do they spray pesticides onto the fields and how bad is noise around the year?
Buy next to a Bio winemaker? Dozens of them in Valais
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Never seen any such thing (oh and also my internet is appalling).

Sadly only for subscribers: https://www.ktipp.ch/artikel/artikel...iben-untaetig/


And many videos on youtube of crazy chopper spraying in Wallis. Also harvest with choppers (they collect into huge kegs and airlift those from wineyards).


Good news that if Pesticide initiative is accepted they will reduce spraying plus choppers are apparently replaced by drones which spray much more careful and targeted.
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As far as chemicals in the environemnt go, watch out of dihydrogen monoxide. It's everywhere and it's a killer.

(Saw an antivax video recently saying that the Moderna vaccine had chemicals in it. Such as sodium chloride... I was terrified. ).
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I'm beginning to understand why your hunting for property is endless.

There are probably a few patches left on the moon to build on. There is a severe lack of oxygen to be considered there though.

Anyway, as long as the journey is its own reward, keep going. I look forward to read more about Wallis. If the info you get here is good, I might be there before you
Hm, don't really get your message, I consider this to be absolutely normal to do research and ask questions about the place you consider to make your home, especially if this move involves such life defining decision as purchase of property.

But yes, this makes me slower then the others and I had several homes snatched from under my nose because desperate people signed reservation / purchase contract after a single visit, without proper professional audit. I call them fools. It is about as foolish as buying a car from used car salesmen without technical audit and in depth study on potential issues with this brand/year/model/configuration
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Re: Living in Wallis, any issues with agriculture

We used to live next to a fruit plantation (not in Wallis).

The treatments were a problem since there was always drift.
It didnt help that the farmer was a prick & refused to direct the spraying mechanism away from the houses until we got the commune involved.

We ended up moving!
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Sadly only for subscribers: https://www.ktipp.ch/artikel/artikel...iben-untaetig/

And many videos on youtube of crazy chopper spraying in Wallis. Also harvest with choppers (they collect into huge kegs and airlift those from wineyards).
If you're worried about the noise made by such small helicopters, beware the Aérodrome de Sion is a playground for F-5 Tigers and F/A-18 Hornets https://www.vtg.admin.ch/fr/organisa...it_s_a_riennes

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Re: Living in Wallis, any issues with agriculture

Helicopter usage is high in Valais, especially during the ski season (watch The Horn tv series - very good). Not just for hospital runs but for a multitude of jobs in the mountains. Plus private jets of the rich heading to Verbier & Zermatt.
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Hm, don't really get your message, I consider this to be absolutely normal to do research and ask questions about the place you consider to make your home, especially if this move involves such life defining decision as purchase of property.

But yes, this makes me slower then the others and I had several homes snatched from under my nose because desperate people signed reservation / purchase contract after a single visit, without proper professional audit. I call them fools. It is about as foolish as buying a car from used car salesmen without technical audit and in depth study on potential issues with this brand/year/model/configuration
What is a "proper professional audit" of a house ? How would you know what documents a buyer has obtained from the seller after an initial visit before deciding to reserve the property? Perhaps these buyers are just far more experienced than you are, they know what they are looking for, have their financing sorted and know where they want to live. From what I can tell from your posts you are all over the map.

I wouldn't call these buyers desperate. At the moment the demand for property exceeds the supply.

Comparing a house purchase to buying a used car? Seriously? I bought a used car from a used car dealer. It had a new MFK and a warranty from the dealer. This can hardly be compared to buying a house.
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What is a "proper professional audit" of a house ?
Maybe a survey, like is common in the UK? Informs you of structural issues, damp etc.
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Re: Living in Wallis, any issues with agriculture

A second or third thought on fruit tree and vineyards. I just remembered Valais and most of the canton has no fruit bearing plants because it's a damned cold place. Don't know the exact number but if you drive around you'll notice all agriculture is in the bottom of the Rhône valley and no vineyard is found ~200m above the elevation of the valley bottom. So, if worried, simply go higher.
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Re: Living in Wallis, any issues with agriculture

I think so many people think that the house/apartment they buy must be perfect. I have friends who are still waiting to get on the ladder, because they can’t find the perfect house. Sadly for them, they are priced out of the market - they could have bought in our village when houses were selling for 1.2M some 4 years ago. Today the same house is marketed at 1.5M, but everyone knows it will go for over 1.7M. So if you think people who are buying without thinking twice, you are likely looking at people who have learnt over the years/months that you snooze, you lose!

My advice - start using the word compromise a bit more often and don’t look for the perfect house. It doesn’t exist. And refocus your search - it feels like it’s all over the place. I would really sit down and list the real deal breakers for you and your family.

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What is a "proper professional audit" of a house ? How would you know what documents a buyer has obtained from the seller after an initial visit before deciding to reserve the property? Perhaps these buyers are just far more experienced than you are, they know what they are looking for, have their financing sorted and know where they want to live. From what I can tell from your posts you are all over the map.

I wouldn't call these buyers desperate. At the moment the demand for property exceeds the supply.

Comparing a house purchase to buying a used car? Seriously? I bought a used car from a used car dealer. It had a new MFK and a warranty from the dealer. This can hardly be compared to buying a house.
Professional Audit of the house is done by expert who is looking at condition of the building, for certain well known issues and gives feedback about the condition. In the end you receive a report that lists all kind of issues found during evaluation, expected cost of mitigation as well as ETA to next major repairs (for example roof), there are people who do just that and they have a good eye for potential issues. If a seller or agent are refusing such audit (or refuse to reserve the house under precondition of such audit ) then anyone who still buys a house is a fool.

And regarding a car, I must smile, you are obviously very lucky but also naive to trust MFK and "Used car warranty". MFK tells you absolutely nothing about condition of critical components such as transmission, half of your car can be essentially shot but it will still pass MFK with flying colors. The absolute minimum you need to do as a novice is "TCS Occasionscheck". And of "used car warranties", I really need not write much, just google.

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So if you think people who are buying without thinking twice, you are likely looking at people who have learnt over the years/months that you snooze, you lose!
"you snooze, you lose", the moto of overheated real estate market. No thanks. You need many years of experience to properly evaluate a building. I do not have a link handy but I read a interesting article from a guy in construction business and he wrote that it took him years to find a property and everyone on the market was hating him because he would ask questions / find issues.

How can anyone trust sellers or worse, agents, if most of what they say is a BS? I had visited homes and sellers swore to me that they have evening sun in the summer at 8pm in the garden while this was physically impossible due to mountain behind the house with 20 degree AoE (angle of elevation), confirmed by observation. I had others tell me that "this is a dead street, we have maybe 3-4 cars in the morning" and when I parked next to this house between 6am and 9am (yes, I am this kind of guy) I counted over 30 cars / hour passing 5m from the bedroom windows of this property, uphill! I had agent swear to me that "house is dead quiet" while the street directly infront of this home had a official traffic count of over 500 vehicles daily and when asked how this is possible received all kind of incoherent babbling "oh we did not knew, the seller told us".
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Re: Living in Wallis, any issues with agriculture

Glad you edited your post re 'office mules'

Guess the discussion about how to buy a house (or a car ) is futile. So you best keep asking clear question (which you admittedly have done over the past months .... or is it years by now? ) about areas and stuff. It seems you're aiming at the perfect house in the perfect environment. Most people go about this with a few basic demands and then want/are willing to fix up the place to their desire. Don't call them fools or naive. It's a different approach. I personally would not want to buy a house so perfect that I could not put my own stamp on. In fact, the only reason for me to have my own house would be to mess around with it!

Just don't talk about others "snatching" houses from under your nose as the word is misused. With your system any snail would get the place first.
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Glad you edited your post re 'office mules'

Guess the discussion about how to buy a house (or a car ) is futile. So you best keep asking clear question (which you admittedly have done over the past months .... or is it years by now? ) about areas and stuff. It seems you're aiming at the perfect house in the perfect environment. Most people go about this with a few basic demands and then want/are willing to fix up the place to their desire. Don't call them fools or naive. It's a different approach. I personally would not want to buy a house so perfect that I could not put my own stamp on. In fact, the only reason for me to have my own house would be to mess around with it!

Just don't talk about others "snatching" houses from under your nose as the word is misused. With your system any snail would get the place first.

My search is about a year old, perfectly within the normal range, I know "simple people with down to earth requirements" that search for longer, so it's a bit surprising to see the amount of groans and "you are doing it wrong" comments as a reply to completely reasonable question.

And to rephrase my previous comment I removed (because it might be offensive to some): I am a lucky fee man not bound to any particular location, I can go and live anywhere and see no reason to somehow limit myself to some particular region just because some people think "one should concentrate on one location". In fact, Switzerland is so small that saying "all over the place" is kind of a joke.
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I googled lucky fee and only came up with lucky feet.

I assume you mean "happy and single."
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My search is about a year old, perfectly within the normal range, I know "simple people with down to earth requirements" that search for longer, so it's a bit surprising to see the amount of groans and "you are doing it wrong" comments as a reply to completely reasonable question.

And to rephrase my previous comment I removed (because it might be offensive to some): I am a lucky fee man not bound to any particular location, I can go and live anywhere and see no reason to somehow limit myself to some particular region just because some people think "one should concentrate on one location". In fact, Switzerland is so small that saying "all over the place" is kind of a joke.
I did not think about simple people () with down to earth requirements, when I mentioned people who like to put their own stamp on a home and set priorities knowing the "Eierlegende Wollmilchsau"-type environment doesn't exist.

Totally agree with you, I can live anywhere too and each spot has it's beauty (okay, almost each) but it won't be perfect. Avoiding agriculture in Switzerland will be a tough try unless you live like at Paradeplatz. In St. Gallen for example herds of cows walk right past your house in autumn.
Lots of noise and sh*t but simple me actually enjoyed it, it was so TIS.

Anyway, back to your topic. Enough derailing the thread.
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