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Re: Swiss/EU nationals having problems travelling to UK

...no problem to travel, I have three passports: British citizenship, European citizenship, Third Country citizenship(one of the former USSR Republics)
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Really hope we'll return the favours one day. All the favours.
What a nasty, vindictive and frankly downright sinister place you and Dinivan occupy.

Can't it be possible to criticise the UK border guards for acting in an unpleasant and unnecessary way without wanting to lash out at an entirely innocent party - the travelling British public. Trumpian dictatorial politics at its worst.

How about a statement that should bring people together: no arbitrary detention for legal travellers going across the EU / Britain border.

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What a nasty, vindictive and frankly downright sinister place you and Dinivan occupy.

Can't it be possible to criticise the UK border guards for acting in an unpleasant and unnecessary way without wanting to lash out at an entirely innocent party - the travelling British public. Trumpian dictatorial politics at its worst.
It's nothing compared to your comment/place you occupy here.
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It's nothing compared to your comment/place you occupy here.
What's that exactly?
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What's that exactly?
Read your post again....you went ballistic for what exactly? People wanting reciprocity? Uhm, OK.
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Read your post again....you went ballistic for what exactly? People wanting reciprocity? Uhm, OK.
The way Wolfgang and Antonio were treated by the uk authorities is a national embarrassment.

But....

Democratic countries don't do an eye for eye measures on innocent citizens. Other countries - yes, individuals - no. If they have a problem with what the uk is doing they need to talk to the uk, not go after legal uk migrants.

So in your world, the UK would go out an arrest some arbitrary Iranian in response to the detention of Nazanin Ratcliffe? Given that's essentially the line of reasoning you went for where people like me would be the victim perhaps you can see why that didn't go down well.

Id say this all pretty fundamental to the western liberal democratic tradition. I removed my groan as a peace offering but I hope you can see the obvious truth in what I'm saying.
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Id say this all pretty fundamental to the western liberal democratic tradition. I removed my groan as a peace offering but I hope you can see the obvious truth in what I'm saying.
I'm seeing that we're all afraid of being treated unfairly, arbitrarily, just because...they can. I think we can talk more starting from this point.
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I'm seeing that we're all afraid of being treated unfairly. I think we can talk more starting from this point.
Well I'm not afraid of the Swiss treating me badly because they are studiously organised and politically reasonable.

I just don't get why it's acceptable to direct such venom at British expats. It's bordering on xenophobia.
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Old 05.06.2021, 09:56
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What a nasty, vindictive and frankly downright sinister place you and Dinivan occupy.

Can't it be possible to criticise the UK border guards for acting in an unpleasant and unnecessary way without wanting to lash out at an entirely innocent party - the travelling British public. Trumpian dictatorial politics at its worst.

How about a statement that should bring people together: no arbitrary detention for legal travellers going across the EU / Britain border.
The British police is acting on orders from an elected British government which is acting on the result of a referendum endorsed by a majority of those who participated in it. I'm not advocating for reciprocity, but I would find it amusing, and perhaps an educational experience for many British people. They could feel in their own skin what their country is doing to citizens of other countries which until only a few years ago were family states.
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The British police is acting on orders from an elected British government which is acting on the result of a referendum endorsed by a majority of those who participated in it. I'm not advocating for reciprocity, but I would find it amusing, and perhaps an educational experience for many British people. They could feel in their own skin what their country is doing to citizens of other countries which until only a few years ago were family states.
Give over.

I voted for brexit. I did not vote for the arbitrary detention of legal residents.
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Who is we. Romanians?

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Well I'm not afraid of the Swiss treating me badly because they are studiously organised and politically reasonable.

I just don't get why it's acceptable to direct such venom at British expats. It's bordering on xenophobia.
Maybe some people have experienced some border inspection in their life that was unpleasant and can't shake it off?

Never happened to me but it could explain it.

Vendetta is bs, it's not like it fixes much.

I miss the UK, no Royal Albert Hall singing again.
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Congrats!



Who is we. Romanians?



Maybe some people have experienced some border inspection in their life that was unpleasant and can't shake it off?

Never happened to me but it could explain it.

Vendetta is bs, it's not like it fixes much.

I miss the UK, no Royal Albert Hall singing again.
The reason, not the excuse (my grandmother's words), is that the UK has absolutely no idea about who lives in the country. When I left to Switzerland I just got up and left, no deregistration or anything. They weren't at all ready to implement a settled status. That's the UKs fault, not the fault of German or Spanish expats, but it's the background.
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Maybe some people have experienced some border inspection in their life that was unpleasant and can't shake it off?

Never happened to me but it could explain it.

Vendetta is bs, it's not like it fixes much.

I miss the UK, no Royal Albert Hall singing again.

Never experienced it myself either, but the press is full of stories with people who did. More recently though. For this reason, I'll personally not travel to the UK very soon.
In case you didn't read or notice, many other EU citizens have encountered difficulties after Brexit, it's an EU thing for goodness sake. Read the press more.

What if it happens to the Czechs too? You're the one talking incentively about your homeland here, not me. I get it, you missed it, so do I. Pandemic wasn't easy on any of us.
Btw, to be accused of xenophobia here is simply hilarious. And hypocritical. I don't really advocate for reciprocity, but I think sometimes this is the only way to fix things.
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Read the press more.
So people who disagree with your vindictive mindset surely don't read the press.

Can you have an opinion without feeling the pressure to link left and right? Try it. We don't give degrees here in online linking.

Human decency is a good opinion. That's what HickvonFrick requested, in case it wasn't clear. I agree with him.
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Well I'm not afraid of the Swiss treating me badly because they are studiously organised and politically reasonable.

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Give over.

I voted for brexit. I did not vote for the arbitrary detention of legal residents.
Brexit was approved largely on the grounds of xenophobia, no Briton can't deny that. What now? It is good to be a xenophobic nation against others, but you find it unacceptable when the same happens to you?

I used to live in the UK until after the referendum. The atmosphere changed completely, so I came back to Switzerland. But pre-covid I went there almost every month, I miss the west end, the soho vibes, Scotland. I was looking forward to visiting, but I'm definitely not going there any time soon. The English are reaping the product of their choices. I only feel sorry for the large minority who were against all this madness, including my dear Scottish friends. So not you.
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So people who disagree with your vindictive mindset surely don't read the press.

Can you have an opinion without feeling the pressure to link left and right? Try it. We don't give degrees here in online linking

Human decency is a good opinion. That's what HickvonFrick requested, in case it wasn't clear. I agree with him.
Can you stop trying to be the arbiter of truth here, or of EF at least? Try it, it would be a nice change. C'mon, you can do it.
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Brexit was approved largely on the grounds of xenophobia.
I disagree. I think it was approved largely on the ground of state of the economy and job market protection. The same as CH not rushing to camp with EU. The same as Trump winning a few years back.

I would go as far as assuming that the border troubles that media report are supposed to deter. It might be again about labor, seasonal jobs, etc. I am not sure, am not from there.
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Can you stop trying to be the arbiter of truth here..
Good vocabulary but missed the meaning

Opinions are what they are, opinions. One on being a decent human being will get my member support. Vendetta won't.
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Brexit was approved largely on the grounds of xenophobia, no Briton can't deny that. What now? It is good to be a xenophobic nation against others, but you find it unacceptable when the same happens to you?

I used to live in the UK until after the referendum. The atmosphere changed completely, so I came back to Switzerland. But pre-covid I went there almost every month, I miss the west end, the soho vibes, Scotland. I was looking forward to visiting, but I'm definitely not going there any time soon. The English are reaping the product of their choices. I only feel sorry for the large minority who were against all this madness, including my dear Scottish friends. So not you.
So I'm a xenophobe who chose to live abroad, learn a European language and marry a non-British, non-White person. I'm not doing very well at this xenophobia am I?

Yes: the (few) racists generally voted for brexit. No most brexiteers are not racist. No more than Swiss people who don't want to join the EU. The "Extremismus stoppen" posters that are ran by the most popular Swiss party would be seen as racist back home, same with the black sheep - so I think actually the Swiss mainstream parties run closer to the line of racism than do the British. Then if you go into the EU clearly racist / fascism lite parties do well in France, Hungary, Sweden etc, etc.

My vote was about the future of Europe and a desire for more localism, not more centralism in politics, as well as being completely against an unelected commission. I have respect for people who take the other side. Politics gets nasty when you accuse the other side of all kind of nasty names.

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Good vocabulary but missed the meaning

Opinions are what they are, opinions. One on being a decent human being will get my member support. Vendetta won't.
Whatever. I guess your opinions or posts are as good or as bad as anyone else's here.

You don't have to take sides every time though. Or use the same techniques, same opponents.


@HvF,

Engaging in a dialogue when one can see where the other part is coming from is never wrong imo. But I do hope everything will get sorted out in a rational manner, it would be a pity to start being petty.
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