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So I'm a xenophobe who chose to live abroad, learn a European language and marry a non-British, non-White person. I'm not doing very well at this xenophobia am I?
We can't tell yet - have you try to go through some kind of border?
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Whatever. I guess your opinions or posts are as good or as bad as anyone else's here.

You don't have to take sides every time though.
No?

Tomorrow is besser?
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Old 05.06.2021, 10:54
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I disagree. I think it was approved largely on the ground of state of the economy and job market protection.
Ah yes? Really? How's la la land for a place to live?

Brexit 'major influence' in racism and hate crime risen

The uncomfortable question: Was the Brexit vote based on racism?

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The same as CH not rushing to camp with EU. The same as Trump winning a few years back.
Definitely not the same. Switzerland already rejected the EEA back in 1992. This country's reasons for its awkward relationship with the EU have nothing to do with what's happened in the UK. It was only last year that 62% of the country voted in favour of keeping free movement of people.
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Ah yes? Really? How's la la land for a place to live?
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I'm guessing very sad.
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Ah yes? Really? How's la la land for a place to live?

Brexit 'major influence' in racism and hate crime risen

The uncomfortable question: Was the Brexit vote based on racism?





Definitely not the same. Switzerland already rejected the EEA back in 1992. This country's reasons for its awkward relationship with the EU have nothing to do with what's happened in the UK. It was only last year that 62% of the country voted in favour of keeping free movement of people.
As above, the MOST popular Swiss party comes out with a pretty clearly racist poster in the last few months - Extremismus stoppen. Not the first either. Not only would the Conservative Party certainly not run that, I doubt even the Brexit Party would.

The minaret ban was pure racism too.

I was active in UK politics for years, including for Vote Leave, and I've never seen anything beyond the mildest comments. There was a brief antisemitism problem in the Labour Party but I think that is receding and being cracked down on at the very least.

As a Conservative Party candidate and Brexiteer I'd fit far more comfortably into the FDP than the SVP as I don't appreciate racist dog whistles.

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As above, the MOST popular Swiss party comes out with a pretty clearly racist poster in the last few months - Extremismus stoppen. Not the first either.

Wouldn't happen in the UK.

CH aside, do you think it's possible to have these situations sorted out, through negotiations between EU and UK? I personally think this is the only way forward. It would be a mistake from EU's part to let every country manage by itself.

And excuse me if I'm seeing many things as an EU citizen already. I can't help it. I'm an europhile, not an europhobe.
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Old 05.06.2021, 11:17
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As above, the MOST popular Swiss party comes out with a pretty clearly racist poster in the last few months - Extremismus stoppen. Not the first either. Not only would the Conservative Party certainly not run that, I doubt even the Brexit Party would.

The minaret ban was pure racism too.

I was active in UK politics for years, including for Vote Leave, and I've never seen anything beyond the mildest comments.
So why do people constantly equal Brexit with intolerance? It is the same argument Dems have...anyone pro open borders here, etc.
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CH aside, do you think it's possible to have these situations sorted out, through negotiations between EU and UK? I personally think this is the only way forward. It would be a mistake from EU's part to let every country manage by itself.

And excuse me if I'm seeing many things as an EU citizen already. I can't help it. I'm an europhile, not an europhobe.
I think the UK will eventually get its border sorted of its own accord as its driven not by a desire to treat EU citizens badly but simply by incompetence and a total lack of organisation - but the settled status, pre-settled status etc is coming in and will make everyone's lives easier.

Imagine if Switzerland hadn't given pre-2021 British migrants a permit, but instead just let them come in and rent a house without registering - then the British migrant takes a trip home and tries to get back in in Covid times when other British people aren't allowed in on direct flights. A nightmare. That's basically the situation.
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I think the UK will eventually get its border sorted of its own accord as its driven not by a desire to treat EU citizens badly but simply by incompetence and a total lack of organisation - but the settled status, pre-settled status etc is coming in and will make everyone's lives easier.

Imagine if Switzerland hadn't given pre-2021 British migrants a permit, but instead just let them come in and rent a house without registering - then the British migrant takes a trip home and tries to get back in in Covid times when other British people aren't allowed in on direct flights. A nightmare. That's basically the situation.
Nutshell: UK administration sucks, seriously. Major contribution to Brexit.
Your scenario for CH allowing anyone to “just let them come in and rent a house without registering” would be hard to swallow in even the most hard core alternative novel.
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The Washington Post?..otherwise known as ‘Pravda on the Potomac’..
Same as the Grauniad in the UK..
Anything or anyone vaguely right of centre is automatically waaayycisst.

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No?

Tomorrow is besser?
Not everything on EF is about you or me or other folks here who "enjoy" your constant attention. But I'll let you have the last reply, it's like arguing with a toddler. There, you won the internet. Besser?

@HvF, thanks for your answer. I think you're right, it might be just a matter of time till everyone will get on with the new regulations and situation. As I said, it would be a pity if everyone will start being petty.

My good friends there are already British citizens, those who weren't born that way (the English ones don't even live in the UK). I'm sure they won't have any problems when travelling to EU or CH. They might find their EU passports* more useful in certain situations maybe, but that would be probably all. Albeit opinions differ on this one too.
*one of them has 2 EU citizenships plus UK one, now that's a thing, perhaps it's what being European today means, after all.
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The Washington Post?..otherwise known as ‘Pravda on the Potomac’..
Same as the Grauniad in the UK..
Anything or anyone vaguely right of centre is automatically waaayycisst.
What does Reuters say?
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But I'll let you have the last reply..
I don't think you did.
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Nutshell: UK administration sucks, seriously. Major contribution to Brexit.
Your scenario for CH allowing anyone to “just let them come in and rent a house without registering” would be hard to swallow in even the most hard core alternative novel.
This also makes collecting tax from buy to let landlords essentially impossible. The % avoiding tax in the UK is astronomic - possibly the majority.
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I think the UK will eventually get its border sorted.
Really and how do you think they can do that when an immigration officer at Cork or Rosslare decides who enters the UK?

The UK will not get to control it’s borders until there is a successful border poll in NI.
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Brexit was approved largely on the grounds of xenophobia, no Briton can't deny that. What now? It is good to be a xenophobic nation against others, but you find it unacceptable when the same happens to you?
I don’t think anybody would deny that xenophobia played a part in Brexit but there were a lot more factors involved and xenophobia was definitely not the biggest driver for Brexit.

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The Washington Post?..otherwise known as ‘Pravda on the Potomac’..
Same as the Grauniad in the UK..

Anything or anyone vaguely right of centre is automatically waaayycisst.
That is simply not true.

What about BBC? Pravda on Thames? Who's to decide which media outlets people should trust more? You?
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This also makes collecting tax from buy to let landlords essentially impossible. The % avoiding tax in the UK is astronomic - possibly the majority.
Please correct me if I misunderstand. The UK’s rejection of ID cards and civil registration practices allows rent income to be hidden from HMRC on a large and recognized scale?
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What does Reuters say?
A few days old news:

https://www.reuters.com/world/uk/uk-...rs-2021-05-23/

"UK plans fully digital border provide accurate immigration numbers"

It doesn't seem xenophobic to me, it seems orderly. Productive, reparative. We can only be well-wishing that it pans out for them.
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"UK plans fully digital border provide accurate immigration numbers"

It doesn't seem xenophobic to me, it seems orderly. Productive, reparative. We can only be well-wishing that it pans out for them.
We? We who? I don't think EU (sorry if you don't include yourself there) will object to orderly or productive anything. Just not abusive or arbitrarily.
Question of human decency if you ask me.
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