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Old 08.06.2021, 18:35
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Re: Neighbours storing items in communal hallways

As so many others have said, talk to them directly and mention the safety concerns.

As for that cackling gnome somebody mentioned, that would swiftly have been "accidentally" knocked down the stairs very quickly while moving furniture or taking out the rubbish ...

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I'm British and I would never say, "I just saw your shoes in disarray, so was worried, if there was some kind of emergency".

I'd be a bit more direct but try and remain polite.

These problems don't just occur in rented accommodation though.

In a brand-new, entirely owner-owned flat complex, the bike room was full of old, broken bikes with flat, perished tyres that obviously hadn't been used for years, if not decades.

We used our bikes daily and it was always a struggle to maneuver around these relics - especially for our kids.

I did mention this and the response was, "I own this place too. I stopped renting so I wouldn't have to have these stupid rules!"
If they didn't want to have rules about communal space, they should've bought a free-standing house - not an apartment.

Idiots.
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Old 08.06.2021, 18:54
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I heartily endorse this. My father died in a hotel fire when he was away on business. I would have no problem at all in politely but firmly explaining the reason behind the rule. It may be that the danger has simply never occurred to them.
Wow! I'm so sorry to hear that. It must have been a big shock to you.

I think that all the oblique hints are not the way to go, nor the notes (except if they are phased very politely stating the facts, the reasons and the potential solution, and signed with your name and flat number and/or phone number), and definitely not just moving a bicycle or shoes or toys away, let alone outside the building. Those approaches tend to leave a bad feeling with the recipient, and make them less likely to want to comply in the future. Besides, they assume that the person putting their things in the hallway already knows that they're doing the wrong thing. But they might not. I think Klostersgirl is right, that for many people, it just hasn't ever occurred to them to think of those items in the stairwell in terms of fire.

Much better to speak the the neighbours directly and explain about the fire hazard, refer to the house-rules if they mention this, and tell them where you've found out that they're allowed to put the bicycle.
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Re: Neighbours storing items in communal hallways

Dangerous situation.

It's a communal place so the stuff there must then also be communal: take a pair of their shoes and hide it in the cellar. Then leave a note indicating where the pair can be found and leave a note there indicating why it is dangerous and that they should stop using the communal space as storage.

If no effect: take a pair of shoes and throw it away.

If still no effect: drop a deuce in one of the shoes.
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Wow! I'm so sorry to hear that. It must have been a big shock to you.

I think that all the oblique hints are not the way to go, nor the notes (except if they are phased very politely stating the facts, the reasons and the potential solution, and signed with your name and flat number and/or phone number), and definitely not just moving a bicycle or shoes or toys away, let alone outside the building. Those approaches tend to leave a bad feeling with the recipient, and make them less likely to want to comply in the future. Besides, they assume that the person putting their things in the hallway already knows that they're doing the wrong thing. But they might not. I think Klostersgirl is right, that for many people, it just hasn't ever occurred to them to think of those items in the stairwell in terms of fire.

Much better to speak the the neighbours directly and explain about the fire hazard, refer to the house-rules if they mention this, and tell them where you've found out that they're allowed to put the bicycle.
None of this polite BS.

Late at night stack all their junk up high RIGHT in front of their door. They will get the hint.
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It's not always a solution to let the landlord know either, as I know of an example whereby someone firstly spoke to their neighbour about the problem (explaining the fire risk and need for the escape routes to be free from clutter), which didn't result in any change, so they went to their landlord, who informed them he already knew that they had spoken to the neighbour. He was enamoured with the neighbour concerned, so responded with anger that anyone would suggest the neighbour had to move stuff, said it was allowed, and said the other neighbours could all leave the building, if they had a problem with it.
I would have reported the landlord to the fire safety department (gets very expensive for careless landlords very quickly) and, if he tried to chuck me out because of it, contest the termination as being retaliatory rather than having any legal basis.
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If still no effect: drop a deuce in one of the shoes.
"Who pooped in my shoe?!?!"
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"Who pooped in my shoe?!?!"
Or glue the shoes on the floors with some super glue.

Not to mention the fake tarantula
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If no effect: take a pair of shoes and throw it away.

If still no effect: drop a deuce in one of the shoes.
This post contains ramblings of a troubled soul.

Omtatsat - is that you?
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This post contains ramblings of a troubled soul.

Omtatsat - is that you?
You are living in an illusion if you believe that the majority of society does not consist of troubled souls.

Try being tortured, you'd also become less patient for shoe BS like described.
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Talk to them. Just be nice and tell them about your concerns. If you really , then make it not about the rules, but rather about how it would be great to have this space well organized and eye-pleasing. Something like "Are you guys all right?" - "...Yes, why?" - "Ah, it's nothing, I just saw your shoes in disarray, so was worried, if there was some kind of emergency", but do your best and be genuinely silly and worried, not at all patronizing.

Also it never hurts to ask, why would they have to begin using it to store a bike. Your building, as per your description, doesn't have a dedicated room for bicycles, so they may had to get it in temporary during the rain and simply "forgot" to keep it outside since - bad habits stick easily.


Do your best and be genuinely silly and not patronising?


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Much better to speak the the neighbours directly and explain about the fire hazard, refer to the house-rules if they mention this, and tell them where you've found out that they're allowed to put the bicycle.
THIS.

I found that people are much more cooperant when they're given what appears to be a neutral/objective and reasonable motive.

@OP, you can even mention it's difficult for you to get through all those stuff with your heavy bags and what not. Seriously. Be HONEST.

@doropfiz, the thing is many Swiss are in fact keeping pairs of shoes next to their apt. door (rules or no rules, I have a friend whose neighbours put shelves with flowers, a little table and two chairs in their common hallway.....sigh). Being neat and considerate, most of them keep them in order. If there are clumsy kids in that family that might be more difficult to impose, but if it's that bad as OP says they should be made aware other people don't find it pleasant.

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None of this polite BS.
This polite approach is, however, peaceful. Like your username.

In my experience, the direct approach, done politely, is also highly effective which is, after all, what the person complaining wants: a solution.

Any of the aggressive strategies suggested, including leaving snide notes, are unlikely to work as well, especially if the notes contain the sting of sarcasm. They don't bode well for the future, either, should any further area of potential conflict ever arise. Neighbours tend to remember who was reasonable and kind to them, and who avoided starting a war.

Letters can work well, too, as long as they are formulated politely, offer a clear and reasonable explanation of why the matter is bothering the sender and, most expecially, are non left anonymously but are signed with a name.
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This post contains ramblings of a troubled soul.

Omtatsat - is that you?
It's obvious that shalom is a dupe account who aren't even trying to be subtle, but clearly the mods don't give a crap.
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This polite approach is, however, peaceful. Like your username.

In my experience, the direct approach, done politely, is also highly effective which is, after all, what the person complaining wants: a solution.

Any of the aggressive strategies suggested, including leaving snide notes, are unlikely to work as well, especially if the notes contain the sting of sarcasm. They don't bode well for the future, either, should any further area of potential conflict ever arise. Neighbours tend to remember who was reasonable and kind to them, and who avoided starting a war.

Letters can work well, too, as long as they are formulated politely, offer a clear and reasonable explanation of why the matter is bothering the sender and, most expecially, are non left anonymously but are signed with a name.
I would have expected people knew how to deal with this banal stuff....it's like some here never had any neighbours. I assume OP's neighbour is not a total stranger since he's given them to keys of his apt. to babysit his flowers. If you invested someone with this trust, you would know, instinctively, how to approach them, politely, sincerely, friendly. People don't bite.

Moons ago when we had a few youngsters living in WG as downstairs neighbours we had to ask them a few times to turn the music off or keep it down as I had exams in the morning. I never talked to them more than "Hello" before, I knew they were Swiss, but that was all. They were very considerate. We always rewarded them with some wine afterwards. In fact this approach brought us closer, they invited us to some events.
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I would have expected people knew how to deal with this banal stuff....it's like some here never had any neighbours.
I agree wholeheartedly that people don't bite. But fair enough if some people need advice on how to go about this. We seem to have a few threads at the moment all about this kind of issue.

I think you've hit the nail of the head, though: some really never have had neighbours, at least not so close, and their move to Switzerland puts them in an apartment for the first time ever.
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This polite approach is, however, peaceful. Like your username.

In my experience, the direct approach, done politely, is also highly effective which is, after all, what the person complaining wants: a solution.

Any of the aggressive strategies suggested, including leaving snide notes, are unlikely to work as well, especially if the notes contain the sting of sarcasm. They don't bode well for the future, either, should any further area of potential conflict ever arise. Neighbours tend to remember who was reasonable and kind to them, and who avoided starting a war.

Letters can work well, too, as long as they are formulated politely, offer a clear and reasonable explanation of why the matter is bothering the sender and, most expecially, are non left anonymously but are signed with a name.
You are in Switzerland though. Nasty anon notes is the Swiss way to handle these kind of cases. You must out-Swiss the Swiss or you will be considered weak.
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