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Scummed on internet but got justice served (kind of)

Hi all!

Not long ago got scummed on anibis.ch by someone who was selling something but did not deliver after receiving a complete payment in advance via TWINT.

After having tried to contact few times the seller it was evident that he had no intentions to fulfill his part of the deal. The amount was not big but lead by principles and hoping to help others I went to the police and filed a complaint despite being discouraged by the policeman on shift.

Long story short: few months later I’ve been informed by a prosecutor’s office in the German speaking part of the country that the person has been arrested and he is awaiting a trial. Few more months later a new update arrived with information about the criminal, the sentence given and other scummed persons for a total of few thousands.

However, there is a phrase in the letter which I am not sure how to interpret. Google translate did not helped much either. See the enclosed picture.

Should I file a civil suit in my regional court and presenting the letter as an evidence or does it mean that the ball is already rolling, and the process continues following the verdict by the criminal court?

Any input would be appreciated! Thanks in advance!
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However, there is a phrase in the letter which I am not sure how to interpret. Google translate did not helped much either. See the enclosed picture.

Should I file a civil suit in my regional court and presenting the letter as an evidence or does it mean that the ball is already rolling, and the process continues following the verdict by the criminal court?
It should be followed by a list of victims, and says that claims for damages and interest made by those on the list have been sent to the civil law authorities.

Whether you need to follow up with anything/anyone is not clear, but if you're on the list then it looks like a ball is already rolling; if not then you definitely need to do something if you're wanting to make a claim.
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Re: Scumed on internet but got justice served (kind of)

You're being kindly referred to sue (or "betreibe") the perp yourself if you want your money back.

The police handled the criminal code part of his wrongdoings but are not actually going to bother with finding and returning your money back.


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It should be followed by a list of victims, and says that claims for damages and interest made by those on the list have been sent to the civil law authorities.

Whether you need to follow up with anything/anyone is not clear, but if you're on the list then it looks like a ball is already rolling; if not then you definitely need to do something if you're wanting to make a claim.
Incorrect. The message is pretty clear that the police aren't going to pursue this any further and the ball is in your court now - you should contact those "civil law authorities" yourself. Start with Betreibungsamt.

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The police handled the criminal code part of his wrongdoings but are not actually going to bother with finding and returning your money back.
I don't think it's in their power to do that.
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You're being kindly referred to sue (or "betreibe") the perp yourself if you want your money back.

The police handled the criminal code part of his wrongdoings but are not actually going to bother with finding and returning your money back.

Incorrect. The message is pretty clear that the police aren't going to pursue this any further and the ball is in your court now - you should contact those "civil law authorities" yourself. Start with Betreibungsamt.
Thanks for making the message clear to me. It was impossible for me to make any sense out of it. While considering what steps to take next I came to the same crossroad, file a civil claim in a court or go through the office des poursuites. As I have no experience with either, I don’t know whether it is the same thing or two completely different

Will need to do a bit of research to come up with a plan as I don't want to let him off the hook.

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Incorrect. The message is pretty clear that the police aren't going to pursue this any further and the ball is in your court now - you should contact those "civil law authorities" yourself. Start with Betreibungsamt.
You may well be correct on what's needed, but no, the message does not say that. Depending on language it says that the claims "are" or "will be" referred or re-sent to the civil route.

If you know that this means what you state above then you must have some external knowledge of the process, which I don't, so fair enough, but I can't see how you'd infer that from the brief message included.
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Re: Scumed on internet but got justice served (kind of)

Not a legal eagle but I understand the wording as Spark does. Zivilrecht suggests to me the claim itself should be settled privately. The state punishes the crime as per whatever, it’s up to you to claim a perhaps small sum from the “scummer” and good luck with that.
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You may well be correct on what's needed, but no, the message does not say that. Depending on language it says that the claims "are" or "will be" referred or re-sent to the civil route.

If you know that this means what you state above then you must have some external knowledge of the process, which I don't, so fair enough, but I can't see how you'd infer that from the brief message included.
It's the legal term for exactly what spark wrote.
Nothing more will happen unless anyone who has a claim "walks the civil-code path".
It's a different law-line. It works on the basis "no plaintiff, no judge".
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Re: Scumed on internet but got justice served (kind of)

OP: You were scammed, but they are scum. Good luck!
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OP: You were scammed, but they are scum. Good luck!
I looked it up and although not popular use, scummed is a word and could also be appropriate in this case.
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I looked it up and although not popular use, scummed is a word and could also be appropriate in this case.
Indeed it is according to urban dictionary;
<<Scummed is the meaning of how someone feels after getting: ripped off, jewed, or taken advantage of. Slang for;hustled or played a fool.
"I gave my friend 20 dollars for weed. He came back with donuts and a pack of stoges." I got scummed>>

Not that I would ever use that term.
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Re: Scumed on internet but got justice served (kind of)

I all my life I've never heard the word scummed before - it's definitely scammed!
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Re: Scumed on internet but got justice served (kind of)

good job OP for nuking that ass, it is frankly annoying what these people do.

Question - have you tried to engage Twint to help you recover your money?

I recently ran into exactly same situation and asked Twint to help me get my money back(akin to PayPal) and they opened a case for me, then asked to request the funds once again and wait some more. In the meantime the irresponsible lad came to his senses and twinted the amount back.
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I all my life I've never heard the word scummed before - it's definitely scammed!
I'm very sure there are many words you've never heard :-) (me too)

I'm very sure too that he meant scammed, so yes of course you're right, but also by chance he isn't wrong. It also pre-dates modern urban dictionary definition.
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good job OP for nuking that ass, it is frankly annoying what these people do.

Question - have you tried to engage Twint to help you recover your money?

I recently ran into exactly same situation and asked Twint to help me get my money back(akin to PayPal) and they opened a case for me, then asked to request the funds once again and wait some more. In the meantime the irresponsible lad came to his senses and twinted the amount back.
Yes, I contacted TWINT straight away but was refered to BCV, filled in some forms there and basicaly wasted few hours of my time as in the end I was told off the record: it is your word against his, so you better move on. Was surprissed to find out that no support is offered what so ever. Since I am very carefull twinting money.
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OP: You were scammed, but they are scum. Good luck!
I tried to edit the thread's title but couldn't find a way to do it so I let it be. Luckily my mistake did not change the meaning as it turned out.
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Re: Scumed on internet but got justice served (kind of)

It got me to thinking about English and what an unholy mess it is. I love the fact that it changes rapidly, but I don't know that the changes are always good. In uni I used to teach English to Farsi speakers, starting with this old poem called The Chaos:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QO178ZfEVME
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Yes, I contacted TWINT straight away but was refered to BCV, filled in some forms there and basicaly wasted few hours of my time as in the end I was told off the record: it is your word against his, so you better move on. Was surprissed to find out that no support is offered what so ever. Since I am very carefull twinting money.
Maybe you can contact twint now when you have this new paper?
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Maybe you can contact twint now when you have this new paper?
I don't believe they will bother or have power to do anything but it cost nothing to reach out to them.

Currently trying to understand more about my options from here onwards. Yesterday started reading the FAQ at the Office des poursuites but interestingly it advises against an official procedure in most cases. As the other party got only a slap on the wrist I am not willing to let go without making things right even if it will be at my expense.

I will be interested to hear from others with similar experience where a procedure was open without much hope to get their money back. I understand that many factors are taken into account and is not guaranteed to get refunded but would be interested to learn what are the consequences for the other party in such case.
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Re: Scummed on internet but got justice served (kind of)

My research lead me to www.easygov.swiss the procedure seems pretty straight forward. Anyone used this platform before?
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