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Old 18.06.2021, 10:13
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LOL - I thought this was one of my own threads from the past.

I had the same thing happen to me when I was verbally abused by a hostile SBB train attendant. I finally lost my temper towards the end of the discussion and said "last thing I need today is another f@@*ing a@@h@*e like you".

He seemed almost happy that I said it, and informed me that the police would be waiting for me at the arrival station. I can't tell you how much I panicked - cursing and flipping the bird is natural where I come from and I could not imagine it being illegal. No police actually were arriving at the station, so perhaps it was an empty threat or the cops didn't care.

Long story short, you could get a fine like a ticket (I asked a legal expert who happened to be a friend). Most police will never bother with something like this and the only person to threaten a foreigner with this "crime" is usually the buenzli type.

What can get you into trouble is, if you flip the bird at a car while cycling and then he chooses to physically fight you after, you would be considered the instigator in the situation and insurance may not cover you if you are injured.

In other words, don't stress too much and f@c@ that paediatrician.
You cover it all in special signs here yet it's okay to call someone that unfiltered?
If you've been verbally abused by him before, by the time the police shows up you'd both have a case - or none of you as it would be declared the way you two communicate.

True, the police doesn't do anything. They accept the report if someone insists on it and pass it on to court.

Calling a doctor names for following the law - well, I wont comment on that - I'd think it should/would raise concern, if a parent does not accept that their child is protected by the medical secret. They bully the doctor, will they bully the child to get what ever info they wanted?

OP still seems to think, they're in the right. If I understood correctly, the only worry is whether there will be a punishment.

Call me a Bünzli, I fully support this law.
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What can get you into trouble is, if you flip the bird at a car while cycling and then he chooses to physically fight you after, you would be considered the instigator in the situation and insurance may not cover you if you are injured.
Does it matter who wins the fight?
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Old 18.06.2021, 10:17
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Re: Cursing in Switzerland

How old is the child?

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Old 18.06.2021, 10:24
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To make a long story short, I let out a couple of expletives at a pediatrician while walking out of his office and clinic. Nothing crazy… Bulls&$% and idiot.
If the comments were about his professional ability and there were other customers listening, there migh be a base for a diffamation. For sure he has legal insurance. So, is if the doc is person that loves conflict, the complain may be already in the way.

Of course you may get legal assistance and the whole thing may end up in nothing but lost time and some francs.

I guess the most important thing is to find a new doc. This will be a larger challenge than the legal one. Stories about this type of customers travel faster than light.
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Old 18.06.2021, 10:34
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Re: Cursing in Switzerland

I am always amazed that when people get angry at authority that they resort to swearing. Snarkiness is much more fun and it's not illegal.

When I was a kid I lived in Germany for three years and my mother once called my sister's schoolteacher a Nazi during a parent-teacher event, well, because he basically acted like one.

She was summoned to a disciplinary hearing and she hired a lawyer to defend her, or a friend actually who was studying law. This "lawyer" claimed that the teacher did not understand sufficient English and was hence not in a position to determine whether he was being insulted or not. The teacher was unable to counter that argument.

The commission decided that was a good enough explanation and told them to shake hands over it and not mention it again.
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Old 18.06.2021, 10:45
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I am always amazed that when people get angry at authority that they resort to swearing. Snarkiness is much more fun and it's not illegal.

When I was a kid I lived in Germany for three years and my mother once called my sister's schoolteacher a Nazi during a parent-teacher event, well, because he basically acted like one.
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It was much easier to call people Nazis a few years ago as it was quite possible that they were actually one.
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You cover it all in special signs here yet it's okay to call someone that unfiltered?
If you've been verbally abused by him before, by the time the police shows up you'd both have a case - or none of you as it would be declared the way you two communicate.

Call me a Bünzli, I fully support this law.
I think it is highly ridiculous that you can say any sort of insulting and horrible things to people and suddenly the second you use a curse word, it is illegal. We are humans and we make mistakes. How can anyone be "harmed" by my use of a curse word? If cops are bothered to come for such a minor incident, then you are very fortunate to live in a place where the police don't have to deal with major actually harmful crimes.
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Hold on, I can't give people the finger when on the road? How about the old Churchill V for victory?
V for victory I think would be fine, otherwise Asian tourists would be getting tickets all the time.

Giving the V's (reverse Churchill) would it mean anything? Pretty sure no non_British person would really get it.
What constitues an offensive gesture? Wanker sign is pretty universal I suppose but some cultures have other more unknown gestures.

Similarly with language - you can go into a supermarket and hear x-rated gansta rap being played and non-one batting an eyelid. If you call someone a c___ - the most offesnive word in English, would there be the same outrage here? What about mother f______?
I have some non-British colleagues and they think nothing of saying f___ and sh__ in normal conversation with people who they should be speaking formally to.


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Re: Cursing in Switzerland

Take home message, exercise restraint. Avoiding your emotions from entering into disputes is a great example to set for your children too
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Old 18.06.2021, 12:05
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Re: Cursing in Switzerland

Alternative interpretation: maybe the doc just threatened charges to make an unruly customer leave as soon as possible.

I don't think there a risk in threatening other people with charges. It might have a dumb, but safe lie. If said threat made a cursing customer leave the premises, mission accomplished.
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Old 18.06.2021, 12:18
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As curley pointed out, depending on the age and maturity of the child a parent might not have automatic access rights to the child's medical records. This is true in most western countries.
Also if said parent has custody, maybe other parent doesn't want them to see child's records?
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Old 18.06.2021, 12:55
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Alternative interpretation: maybe the doc just threatened charges to make an unruly customer leave as soon as possible.

I don't think there a risk in threatening other people with charges. It might have a dumb, but safe lie. If said threat made a cursing customer leave the premises, mission accomplished.
I thought, and it has been mentioned many times on this forum, that threatening someone with something is against the law in Switzerland.

If that's the case then you really ought to call the Police because the doctor threatened to call the Police!

Swiss laws are so complicated.
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Old 18.06.2021, 12:56
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Also if said parent has custody, maybe other parent doesn't want them to see child's records?
The sole purpose of this law is to protect the child's privacy of anything between the doctor and the child.
I wouldn't be surprised if it is even more difficult to get permission out of a child than an adult (as the child could be pressured to give it by the parents).
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Re: Cursing in Switzerland

My experience is that doctors are reluctant to pass you your records, even if you have the right to do so. I have had such experience with three different doctors and it was very painful for me especially as I needed urgent treatment and the original doctor said he could not provide it to me. I can understand that you might loose your temper and curse when you find obstacles in exercising your right. Which indeed is a right. So, in case you are entitled to viewi the medical records of your son (depending on your legal status and his age) I would write a letter to the pediatrician in writing stating that you want a copy and send it by registered letter. This might be useful with the police as well.
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Back to the actual topic - if the child is old enough to understand, get them to ask the doctor for their records on your behalf.

If they aren't, then ask yourself.

Either way the doctor can't refuse if both child and parent agree.

Regarding the other parent point - clearly if parent X took the child to the doctor, and the doctor did the consultation in their presence, they can't claim afterwards that parent X has no rights (or if they do, then the consultation shouldn't have happened).
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I thought, and it has been mentioned many times on this forum, that threatening someone with something is against the law in Switzerland.

If that's the case then you really ought to call the Police because the doctor threatened to call the Police!

Swiss laws are so complicated.
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Back to the actual topic - if the child is old enough to understand,
The actual topic is about cursing.
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Hello Everyone, I was wondering if some the legal experts on the forum can shed some light on the legality and/or illegality of cursing in Switzerland.
Next time, properly curse him. That's not a crime.

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Re: Cursing in Switzerland

Thanks I start to see the subtleties.

The law is great is defense about instagrammers, influencers, YELP and similar mafia always asking for freebies in exchange of "exposure" and good reputation. That's coercion.

But telling an unruly customer to leave otherwise calling the police or initiating a legal procedure is Nötigung (coercion)?
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