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Old 18.06.2021, 18:23
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Re: Cursing in Switzerland

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Next time, properly curse him. That's not a crime.
The funniest curse was uttered by Jeff Goldblum in the film, The Tall Guy:

"May all your children have small penises - especially the girls!"
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Re: Cursing in Switzerland

A few years ago, a chap got beaten up badly following him insulting someone in a parking complex after a disagreement. So badly that he was hospitalised. His insurance refused to pay the full treatment cost because he had "unnecessarily provoked" the other person. A court agreed.

There have been other cases where there was name-calling and let's just say it's not a recommended activity. Flipping the bird is also a dangerous thing to do, some people take it really badly. A few years ago, I impulsively flipped the bird at someone who almost doored me while parked next to a bike path. He had clearly been sat in his car for a while, as I didn't see him pull over and the lights were already off, so I thought it was a parked car with nobody in it. Until he opened the door just as I was a few metres away, that is. I yelled at him, he thankfully spotted me and slammed the door shut again so I only had to swerve a little to avoid him and the car on the road had also moved a bit.

Furious but mostly just badly shaken, I bellowed "complete idiot" (Vollidiot) and flipped him off. This prompted him to follow me, which I only realised when I was stood at the next traffic lights and heard someone honking their horn and shouting angrily a few cars back. I decided he was clearly crazier than I am prepared to deal with, made a (then illegal) right turn at the red light and disappeared down a route with a few one way streets. The next few weeks had me almost obsessively checking my surroundings for that particular car. Not a great feeling, so now I try to stay chill in the face of dangerous idiocy but it's hard...
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Re: Cursing in Switzerland

Everybody knows that competent doctors do not to need run after random clients who blew up at them. Their reputation is not at a risk.

That said, OP, I think that you do not have a right to claim your kid's medical records. I think you are entitled to lab results and scans, mri, etc. There have been recently threads on this - look around using the search function if you can.
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To make a long story short, I let out a couple of expletives at a pediatrician while walking out of his office and clinic. Nothing crazy… Bulls&$% and idiot.

To my surprise, he’s threatened to file criminal changes.

Is this a crime in Switzerland, and I just got myself into a lot of trouble?
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It was unfortunately as I was walking out of his office and it was witnessed by his secretary and he claims there was someone in the waiting room.

There is arguably provocation, as he is blocking access to my son’s medical record, several instances of disrespect (through actions) and he rudely kicked me out of his office after 2 min. that afternoon for refusing to drop the subject.

I don’t really see how he can claim defamation as this an absolutely isolated incident.

I’m lucky I did not say more…
I would be less concerned about being taken to court for your outburst than the effect this might have on your and your child's relationship with this particular doctors and other health care professionals.

If your son is ten or older, then he has a right to say what information he wishes the doctor to share with you. You'll find the relevant information under the heading What if I am still a minor?
https://www.bag.admin.ch/bag/en/home...geheimnis.html

I know of a family who have a son with extremely difficult health issues. The family are convinced that they know what the reasons (and also the treatments) for their sons multiple health issues are, but they can offer no evidence. As a result, they are extremely stressed and find it very difficult to handle their emotions. The story is always the same – they meet with a new health care professional, the first meeting always goes well but as soon as the patient's notes are made available it all changes for the worse. Frankly, the patient and the family are seen as troublemakers and it's difficult to see how their situation can be changed for the better.

Of course we don't know the whole story of your situation, but I would be inclined to eat humble pie and write an apology. It may well be that the doctor won't take this any further legally, but he may decide to mention your behaviour in your child's notes. You say he kicked you out after two minutes of refusing to drop the subject. He may well cite unreasonable behaviour on your part and an inability to understand two minutes' worth of explanation, which in turn could be seen as bullying, intimidating behaviour, coupled with abuse and anger management issues. If other agencies ever get involved, such as KESB, then an unfavourable picture of your parenting, rightly or wrongly, could be the result.

I wish you and your family well.
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A few years ago, a chap got beaten up badly following him insulting someone in a parking complex after a disagreement. So badly that he was hospitalised. His insurance refused to pay the full treatment cost because he had "unnecessarily provoked" the other person. A court agreed.

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Any idea what the police did? Does a GBH charge get dropped here if you provoke someone?

I thought "selber schuld" was just an unnecessary and unpleasant saying but it seems to be a way of life here.
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Thanks I start to see the subtleties.

The law is great is defense about instagrammers, influencers, YELP and similar mafia always asking for freebies in exchange of "exposure" and good reputation. That's coercion.

But telling an unruly customer to leave otherwise calling the police or initiating a legal procedure is Nötigung (coercion)?
It's perfectly legal to close a deal in agreement like "I post positively about you if you pay me or give me stuff for free" because there's no threat. Your job contract says something only little different, you agree to some version of "I give you my time and product and let you order me around since you pay well enough."

Nötigung/coercion requires an illegal threat combined with a demanded detrimental action to prevent that threat. Like "give me money or I'll post negative stuff on you!", or "Leave my office or I'll burn down your house!".

Generally, you can't use physical force (other than to protect yourself or other people), use of force is the state monopoly. So, "Leave my office or I'll throw you out" is at best a borderline case under ordinary conditions (unless to protect others, especially patients present) whereas "Leave my office or I'll call the police to have you thrown out" is perfectly fine.
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Any idea what the police did? Does a GBH charge get dropped here if you provoke someone?

I thought "selber schuld" was just an unnecessary and unpleasant saying but it seems to be a way of life here.
"Selber schuld" often just means having to live with the consequences of one's actions. It may be unpleasant, but it is sometimes a necessary and timely reminder.

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Art. 27 Herabsetzung oder Ausschluss der Entschädigung und der Genugtuung

1 Die Entschädigung und die Genugtuung des Opfers können herabgesetzt oder ausgeschlossen werden, wenn das Opfer zur Entstehung oder zur Verschlimmerung der Beeinträchtigung beigetragen hat.

2 Die Entschädigung und die Genugtuung von Angehörigen des Opfers können herabgesetzt oder ausgeschlossen werden, wenn diese oder das Opfer zur Entstehung oder zur Verschlimmerung der Beeinträchtigung beigetragen haben.

3 Die Genugtuung kann herabgesetzt werden, wenn die anspruchsberechtigte Person Wohnsitz im Ausland hat und die Höhe der Genugtuung auf Grund der Lebenshaltungskosten am Wohnsitz unverhältnismässig wäre.
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I am always amazed that when people get angry at authority that they resort to swearing. Snarkiness is much more fun and it's not illegal.

When I was a kid I lived in Germany for three years and my mother once called my sister's schoolteacher a Nazi during a parent-teacher event, well, because he basically acted like one.

She was summoned to a disciplinary hearing and she hired a lawyer to defend her, or a friend actually who was studying law. This "lawyer" claimed that the teacher did not understand sufficient English and was hence not in a position to determine whether he was being insulted or not. The teacher was unable to counter that argument.

The commission decided that was a good enough explanation and told them to shake hands over it and not mention it again.
That schoolteacher stood no chance....
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