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Old 18.06.2021, 13:25
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This will just attract Austrians and Belgians. They will not steal anything, but they will try to populate the cellar.

Not funny.....
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Old 18.06.2021, 13:29
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It also locks the handle on a tilted window.
On the more modern tilted windows I've had, the handle could only be turned back when the window was closed, which would be difficult if you've got hold of the handle from outside. Our previous (40+ yo) ones here didn't have that - but then if you turn the handle the wrong way while tilted the window ends up with only one hinge and drops down and jams , so even less chance of getting in.

TBH I've never really understood window security locks - every one I've ever seen has a key in it or a key nearby! Once they're in, they'll find the key, or they have all the time they need to stack up your valuables and then lever open the window to get out.
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Old 18.06.2021, 13:36
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Re: Do you live on a Ground Floor apartment?

Replace the windows with bricks.
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Old 18.06.2021, 13:42
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Replace the windows with bricks.
Pure daylight robbery
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Old 18.06.2021, 13:51
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Re: Do you live on a Ground Floor apartment?

i lived on the ground floor once, but the difference was that i was at the back of the building so nothing accessible to the street. other downsides of GF: noise from front door opening and closing (you hear everybody come in and out).
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Old 18.06.2021, 13:58
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Re: Do you live on a Ground Floor apartment?

You could install movement detection sensor lights. But then every cat in the neighborhood will set also em off. Surveillance cameras are another possibility.
Warning signs about vicious dogs also help.
But the best protection is this simple device: https://bestreviews.com/best-window-alarms
Cheap and easy to install. Just don't forget to turn em off before opening the window or door.
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Re: Do you live on a Ground Floor apartment?

We installed a bar like this, which also blocks the windows from opening further when it is opened at a slant. But we got it professionally installed.


https://www.galaxus.ch/de/s4/product...E&gclsrc=aw.ds

Normal windows can be popped open with a crowbar within a few seconds, without too much noise, so these simple bars will make it a bit more difficult. As most break-ins are opportunitistic, you want firstly, to create doubt about there being no one at home, then you want the motion sensor lights to come on, then make it difficult for them to crowbar your window that they stop trying after a 10-20 seconds and prefer to just move on to the next easy target (your neighbour who have the blinds down, dark apartment and obviously not at home).

If you are looking at a new build, you can get windows with something similar built in which are much nicer looking.


While you are at home, as someone said above, just lower the blinds, tilt it a bit and leave your windows open (should be even better if you have insect nets).
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Old 18.06.2021, 17:41
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Re: Do you live on a Ground Floor apartment?

We happen to have a small weather station on the balcony that transmits info every 15 seconds or so, and the little red light flashes. It's right next to the balcony door. If you don't know what it is, you think it's some sort of security system. One of our neighbors even asked where we bought our security system.
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How about setting up a system that plays sounds of people screaming and being tortured at random hours
Isn't that what youporn is for?
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Old 18.06.2021, 18:00
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Isn't that what youporn is for?
Nope, that's for trolling your neighbors at 2AM during the summer nights when people leave the windows open.
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Old 18.06.2021, 18:59
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Re: Do you live on a Ground Floor apartment?

Thanks for all your answers to my 1st World problem!! You fellows are brilliant. Some really useful stuff here. Am on mobile, so will reply in detail a bit later!!
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Old 19.06.2021, 01:28
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Re: Do you live on a Ground Floor apartment?

According to an officer of the Kantonspolizei, there is a 1/17 chance per annum of your ground floor apartment being broken into. However, I then hear of friends leaving windows ajar while they were away for the weekend and am not really surprised.
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Re: Do you live on a Ground Floor apartment?

I have blinds that are like two "window doors" and have gaps for the air to pass... the typical ones here,,, they offer full protection against people looking inside and of course nobody can enter, while allowing air to flow..
not as much air as a fully open window but it's a very good safe alternative.
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Old 20.06.2021, 10:02
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I have blinds that are like two "window doors" and have gaps for the air to pass... the typical ones here,,, they offer full protection against people looking inside and of course nobody can enter, while allowing air to flow..
not as much air as a fully open window but it's a very good safe alternative.
Most shutters like that are trivial to open from outside, you can just put something L shaped through the gap, lift up the catch and push it to rotate the vertical locking bar.

The more secure ones have a bit that rotates/hangs over the top of the locking bar, so you have to move two things simultaneously to get them open but still possible with two people.

At one chalet we rented these extra bits locked like a window lock, no key just a button, but from outside push button + rotate lock + lift and rotate catch would be pretty secure.
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Old 20.06.2021, 12:30
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Re: Do you live on a Ground Floor apartment?

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Warning signs about vicious dogs also help.
As long as you do not have a dog.

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If you have a dog, as crazy as it may sound such signs could end up putting your dog in jeopardy if, doG forbid, there were ever an incident, including with a burglar.

Essentially you've labeled your dog as dangerous, which could be used against you. The cantonal measures against dangerous dogs could then come crashing down on you - and on your pooch.

Better signs are 'Dogs live here' on your doors or windows, and 'Dogs run free in this garden' on your garden gate.*

I know this sounds over the top, but in today's climate one really has to be careful.




*And FYI, it is recommended that your garden sign includes a drawing of a dog, for children who cannot yet read.



Now back to discussing ground floor security...
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Re: Do you live on a Ground Floor apartment?

If you are really worried that somebody will enter your house through the bedroom while you are sleeping (statistically one of the least frequent break-in methods as thieves prefer to enter when nobody is in the house, and definitely not entering through the room you are in.. ), you can put a laser/infra-red beam alarm on the window frame (inside the house). It will alert if somebody tries to come through the window.
Both, the thieve and you will get a good scare, but you can be sure the thieve will run away.
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Old 20.06.2021, 13:20
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You could install movement detection sensor lights. But then every cat in the neighborhood will set also em off.
Oh, no, please! Our neighbours have floodlights with sensors...their damn cat sets them off all night long, not to mention the cavorting marder, who chase each other around on summer nights. We've had to put blackout curtains in our guest bedroom.
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Old 20.06.2021, 13:39
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Re: Do you live on a Ground Floor apartment?

We take our security very seriously.

If someone broke into our home, they would have a red dot sight aimed between their eyes.

And, I'd let the cat do the rest..
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Old 20.06.2021, 13:41
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Re: Do you live on a Ground Floor apartment?

I live on ground floor. I sleep with open window in summer.
Last night - for the first time, no doubt due to this thread - I heard some funny noises. It sounded like someone kicking a ball across the pebbles, which would be weird at 2am. It did not worry, only puzzle me a bit.

I do check all windows when I leave the house but have them all wide open no matter what I do or where I am when I'm home.

The weirdest thing that once happened was a 90 year old woman walking right in on me, marching through my flat-door, thinking it was someone else's flat. So yup, my main door is always locked now.

OP, I think if you feel uneasy about it, you should not live on ground floor, you'll not feel at home (feeling at home means feeling safe, sheltered and protected). Logic, bars on windows, flood lights .... they won't make you feel that way. They will only constantly remind you that you don't.
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I'm on the 0.5 floor, as in I can climb onto my balcony from outside easily.
The rear of the apartment is closer to the ground again, the landlord installed iron grills on the back balcony due to a break in years ago.

As far as windows go, I have them open on a slant most of the time. I don't know what's this called properly, when you rotate the handle 180 degrees and pull the top out a bit.

Yes, I know what you mean by keeping them open on slant. I'd like them Fully Open !!


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It is not a fire safety hazard here, in fact they are quite common.

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Good to know !! Am a bit surprised !! Thanks, this was helpful !!


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I am living alone in ground-floor apartment. During summer I have normally open windows over the night, both in bedroom and kitchen, with only curtains to protect me
In the nine years since I am living here, there was never a problem.

All 3 bedroom windows are right beside a street.
I have 2 little girls.
So the dynamic changes a bit.
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