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kind 18.06.2021 15:10

Life in Switzerland 2021
 
Hi all!
I'm new to the forum and this is my first post here. Pleasure to interact with you all!
I have a specific question. My family (hubby and toddler) and I are currently based in Brussels, Belgium and we are considering a move to Switzerland, specifically french speaking regions like Geneva or Lausanne. I would like to know how you are currently finding living in Switzerland, the good, the bad and the ugly. For example I read threads that say Geneva is going downhill and it is becoming dirty? I'm just after a generalised up to date view on how you are finding your life in Switzerland, what you love about it and what you don't like.
Thank you for your responses in advance.

komsomolez 18.06.2021 15:54

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Originally Posted by kind (Post 3319193)
Hi all!
I'm new to the forum and this is my first post here. Pleasure to interact with you all!
I have a specific question. My family (hubby and toddler) and I are currently based in Brussels, Belgium and we are considering a move to Switzerland, specifically french speaking regions like Geneva or Lausanne. I would like to know how you are currently finding living in Switzerland, the good, the bad and the ugly. For example I read threads that say Geneva is going downhill and it is becoming dirty? I'm just after a generalised up to date view on how you are finding your life in Switzerland, what you love about it and what you don't like.
Thank you for your responses in advance.

Where to start? If you live in Brussels, Geneva will look very sanitary to you.

olygirl 18.06.2021 16:05

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Can't help you with the "Welsche" part of Switzerland but welcome to the forum.

roegner 18.06.2021 16:08

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Welcome. Can‘t help you with the questions, but for sure it can‘t be worse than Brussels? Worked there a longer time ago and wasn‘t too impressed

LtSoftDrink 18.06.2021 16:20

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Originally Posted by kind (Post 3319193)
For example I read threads that say Geneva is going downhill and it is becoming dirty?

Switzerland is lovely once you get used to the strange locals and the entitled foreigners :D

Don’t know about “downhill” and haven’t been to Geneva for years. IMHO it’s the least Swiss and in some places the most squalid local city – which might still be an improvement to Bruxelles ….

HIAO 18.06.2021 16:53

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Geneva has been home to my family for 10 years, and we’re happy.

Some parts are more beautiful than others.

I’ve not lived in Brussels to make an informed comparison.

catandmouse 18.06.2021 17:39

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I've not lived in Brussels, but visited regularly. I think you'll find Geneva significantly less squalid than Brussels. It's easy to live outside Geneva, though these days prices aren't necessarily lower than in the town. You'll just be living out in smaller communities. Geneva has an excellent public transport system, which these days goes out over the border into France.

MusicChick 18.06.2021 18:16

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There is no 'ugly' when living in this Francophone neck of the woods.

Welcome to our community and soon to our area. :)

XDr 18.06.2021 18:29

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Bienvenue, kind. Having spent weeks in these over the years (but not lived permanently), my take is that Geneva is experiencing a slow decline in cleanliness and safety with crowding, though there is a good part of perception in this. But much better than Brussels in both, and generally more livable!
On the other hand, get ready for a cost of living shock. See:

https://www.numbeo.com/cost-of-livin...d&city2=Geneva
Lausanne is roughly the same, different employment options perhaps.
So this move mostly makes sense if you can get good job(s) or have your own highly profitable business; or otherwise if you are willing to sacrifice a lot on net income for some improvement in (other) quality of life.

kind 18.06.2021 18:56

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Originally Posted by komsomolez (Post 3319210)
Where to start? If you live in Brussels, Geneva will look very sanitary to you.

Haha, thank you that's what I was trying to find out. I find Brussels rather unsanitary and would hate to move and find the same situation.

kind 18.06.2021 18:58

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Originally Posted by XDr (Post 3319287)
Bienvenue, kind. Having spent weeks in these over the years (but not lived permanently), my take is that Geneva is experiencing a slow decline in cleanliness and safety with crowding, though there is a good part of perception in this. But much better than Brussels in both, and generally more livable!
On the other hand, get ready for a cost of living shock. See:

https://www.numbeo.com/cost-of-livin...d&city2=Geneva
Lausanne is roughly the same, different employment options perhaps.
So this move mostly makes sense if you can get good job(s) or have your own highly profitable business; or otherwise if you are willing to sacrifice a lot on net income for some improvement in (other) quality of life.

Thank you for the welcome and for your informed reply.
Indeed we do expect the living costs to go up, but for a better quality of life we would be happy to make that trade. Hubby is in IT and I am a medical professional so we have calculated we should be able to make a decent living.

Thank you for your valued input. I'm glad to hear you're still happy living there after 10 years. My main gripes with Brussels are the unsanitary city areas, extremely high taxes and debilitating bureaucracy.

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Originally Posted by catandmouse (Post 3319266)
I've not lived in Brussels, but visited regularly. I think you'll find Geneva significantly less squalid than Brussels. It's easy to live outside Geneva, though these days prices aren't necessarily lower than in the town. You'll just be living out in smaller communities. Geneva has an excellent public transport system, which these days goes out over the border into France.

Thank you for your valued input. I'm glad to hear you're still happy living there after 10 years. My main gripes with Brussels are the unsanitary city areas, extremely high taxes and debilitating bureaucracy.

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Originally Posted by HIAO (Post 3319239)
Geneva has been home to my family for 10 years, and we’re happy.

Some parts are more beautiful than others.

I’ve not lived in Brussels to make an informed comparison.

Thank you for your valued input. I'm glad to hear you're still happy living there after 10 years. My main gripes with Brussels are the unsanitary city areas, extremely high taxes and debilitating bureaucracy.

Landers 18.06.2021 19:12

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Originally Posted by XDr (Post 3319287)
or otherwise if you are willing to sacrifice a lot on net income for some improvement in (other) quality of life.

I imagine the tax rate will be a lot less than in Brussels.

HickvonFrick 18.06.2021 19:35

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I don't know Geneva that well, and for Switzerland it's decidedly high tax, but I do know Brussels well and can only imagine it's a significant step up.

komsomolez 18.06.2021 19:49

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Originally Posted by HickvonFrick (Post 3319306)
I don't know Geneva that well, and for Switzerland it's decidedly high tax, but I do know Brussels well and can only imagine it's a significant step up.

Tax is not that bad in GE.

Polymath 18.06.2021 19:53

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Welcome. You’ll be pleased to hear that the chocolate should be at least as good :D

XDr 18.06.2021 20:06

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Originally Posted by Polymath (Post 3319311)
Welcome. You’ll be pleased to hear that the chocolate should be at least as good :D


That is one I disagree upon. Being from neither country, I would say Belgian chocolate is better, if not the best in the world, even if Switzerland has some excellent chocolate (and more industrial stuff). Hate on if you must, or I dare you to some blind chocolate tasting.



As for beer, let us not even start to go there. I don't volunteer for half of that tasting.:msnsick:


But a move should not turn on that, obviously.:msngrin:

komsomolez 18.06.2021 20:07

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Maybe some more thoughts, now that we are between games.

I have lived in Belgium for 1 1/2 years as a student. Found it filthy then, so I guess I would get herpes now when crossing the border. It was fun though, also BXL and the nightlife there. With the exception of the parts towards the Ardennes, I found it incredibly boring from an outdoors perspective.

Switzerland is solid, some may say boring, in a good way. Generally very good purchasing power, amazing landscapes and outdoors opportunities, a very civilized way of life, little conflict (some would say shy of and possibly creepy ways to solve), no crime, rather conservative mindsets unless maybe in the "big cities" (even there I would say). Of course a lot will depend on the individual circumstances, but the general conditions are better than anywhere I else I know

That said, we have enough foreigners here, and they make everything more expensive and take our jobs away. So stay where you are :D

AbFab 18.06.2021 20:18

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The sun is a bit stronger here…

Polymath 18.06.2021 20:59

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Originally Posted by XDr (Post 3319314)
That is one I disagree upon. Being from neither country, I would say Belgian chocolate is better, if not the best in the world, even if Switzerland has some excellent chocolate (and more industrial stuff). Hate on if you must, or I dare you to some blind chocolate tasting.



As for beer, let us not even start to go there. I don't volunteer for half of that tasting.:msnsick:


But a move should not turn on that, obviously.:msngrin:

Wildlese truffles from Sprüngli are exceptional and I don’t think I ever had better. I am of course open to new experiences and a blind chocolate tasting sounds like a great idea :D

Beer is not even up for discussion. Belgian is far superior.

komsomolez 18.06.2021 21:13

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Originally Posted by Polymath (Post 3319324)

Beer is not even up for discussion. Belgian is far superior.

Agree, Belgian beer is slightly less atrocious than Swiss beer.


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