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Old 24.06.2021, 15:36
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When I took the train to the office there was a guy wearing always a bright-colored band in the shoulder than said epilepsy. Never happened anything to him in the 3 years I took the morning train. If the problem can happen at any time and some help is expected from strangers, the guessing game could be shortened a lot.
I've had to help two people having seizures. The first one also cracked his head open on the a concrete slap when he collapsed.

Generally you can't do much except stop them hurting themselves and re-assuring them afterwards. It can be embarrassing for them as there can be a loss of bodily fluids.
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Sorry, all good and bad arguments pro and con helping a stranger while not being sure if he is a drunk man or fell asleep out of fatigue and etc… However, a common sense, being vigilant and perhaps a little bit of human care would have come a long way. How come the people from poorer nations can be more open minded and supportive to such things than advanced societies with all the technologies available? Mind boggling how we advanced as a society and it wouldn’t cross anybody’s mind that a fellow human is in need of help. Something is not right, don’t you think so?
A few months ago when on a train quite late in the evening, I was talking with a (somehow in distress) Swiss man who first asked if that was the right train for him (said where he needed to go), telling me a bit of his life story afterwards and thanking me profusely for "talking to him" as he didn't talk with anyone in a while. Out of respect, I won't share the story here. I didn't feel good about myself or especially kind, I felt very sad. He didn't ask for anything, if that is what some might think.
So yeah, this is the world we're living in. What happened on that tram doesn't surprise me that much.
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In the age of COVID, who would administer mouth-to-mouth resuscitation?
Mouth to mouth is considered secondary to administering CPR. I wouldn't do it for a stranger but probably would for a family member or close friend. Make sure the person isn't choking on something (but I wouldn't necessarily stick my fingers in their mouth, especially if they are having a seizure, I'd like to keep my fingers) and focus on providing proper CPR.

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Who would be so callous as to think about that first?
Someone who knows what they are doing...
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Re: Dead body on Zurich tram...

Public transport stories-

I saw a lonely old man on Christmas Eve. I started speaking with him, and he was very happy. Would not shut up for the next 30mins, the only issue? His breath stank of a dead rat's ass

Saw yesterday, a middle-aged lady stressed out. I asked her if everything was ok. She was looking for her glasses, she had already lost two of them recently. She found it and said "Gott sei dank". Little did I know that for the next 15mins she would chat with me, and say "Gott sei dank" after the end of every sentence
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I can well believe it. I had to put pressure on someone's injury who has just been stabbed and that was bad enough. Nearly bled to death, and I was extremely shaken. If I had known the stabber was still present I genuinely think I'd just have ran away.
That sounds terrifying - I hope you were okay afterwards. It took me a little while to recover from my CPR incident (my patient/colleague/friend did not make it).

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excellent advice
An excellent and educational post, thanks Kittster. I had sore stomach muscles for a full week after my incident!
Despite the devastating outcome, I was indeed very glad that I could tell his parents that we did everything possible to try and save his life.

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I occasionally see people on the tram who have fallen asleep. It has never occurred to me to wake them up because I don't know which stop they should be getting off at. I just let them sleep peacefully and leave them undisturbed.

I imagine everyone else who saw the old man did the same thing. Also, if you are on the tram for just a few stops, you would unlikely notice anything. You would have to be on the tram for a while and actually observe him to notice that something was not right.
Exactly, if you only saw him for a few moments, it might be very easy not to realise something was horribly wrong.
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No defibrillators in trams? There was a time they put them up everywhere. With short advice on how to use them. (Although I admit I'd still be kind of worried about applying them, specially as I wouldn't even know whether that is what the lifeless stranger needs).
The modern ones speak to you to tell you what to do at each stage, can tell when you have applied the pads and won't apply a shock if the patient's heart is beating.
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Am I the only person here who wakes sleeping train passengers to make sure they aren't going to miss their stop? It's not something I've encountered often, but I always figure that since missing one's stop can cause someone to potentially end up hours behind schedule (if e.g. they are going to miss a connection that only runs every few hours) it's better to be safe than sorry. No one has ever been upset with me for waking them, they usually say thanks for my concern. And more than once my waking them caused the person to get off at the right stop whereas they otherwise might have slept through it.

(Well, there was that one time that the person I woke decided to completely hit on me afterwards to the point where I relocated to another part of the carriage, but otherwise I've had no bad experiences.)

I'm fairly certain that if I was disembarking at a terminus I'd definitely try and wake a passenger who seemed to be asleep, even if there was a concern they might be under the influence of alcohol or drugs.
Absolutely correct. Some people think, that it is not their business to care for others in a public space, or that the driver or some other employee has a duty to check the cart at each terminal station.
There were many times, when I woke up or got an attention of a person, because I was not sure, if that person was drunk, fallen asleep or had a stroke: incomprehensive speech and discoordination may be a sign of both. Never got in trouble with that though, probably a polite man privilege.
A cardiac arrest is also relatively easy to spot, since the person stops breathing and the blood stops circulating. It may be more challenging, if you can't see fingers (they quickly turn white or blue) of face (masks do not help, but most of the time problem can be spotted from the lack of neck movement or pale ears). So if anyone looks drunk or sleeping, it is a basic human decency to check for basic signs of life and report such occurrence to the person in charge of the place of event or to the authorities, if no person in charge can be found. Even if it is not life a threatening and even if you suspect the person's fault somehow, any unconscious or otherwise sick human deserves help to prevent further damage.

On a completely separate note, it is amazing, how smooth that tram was riding. Linie 2 is going through flat lowlands, which certainly played its part, but still the overall time that body kept seated in a natural looking position in a moving tram is impressive. I saw alive humans letting they phones and bags to fly or even sliding from their sits themselves, when approaching Central or Bellevue from the hillside.
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Re: Dead body on Zurich tram...

When I was commuting daily on tram and train, they were short trips. I never really saw anyone napping. If I saw someone totally slumped to the floor I might react, but if they were leaning on the side of the wall appearing to doze? I don't think I'd automatically assume the worst.

On longer trips such as to the airport, I've never woken anyone but I've seen others wake people, mostly when we're pulling into Zurich main station.
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