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my neighbour, who lives in a farm house, has many cats, as a cat lover i have noticed them come and go and disappear, when i ask where they are he says they got run over,and gets a bit uncomfitable this is about 5 in the last two years,
i have now just been to a local fair,(where i have seen more locals in one hour than i have in one year, and it reminded me of the film deliverance, without the banjos, and i am left wondering if it is a law that before you are allowed to marry, do you have to be related first) one of the stalls was openly selling cat pelts, i asked where they came from and she got very defensive, as well as having a face as hard as nails,
is it legal to farm/kill cats for the fur here, it migh also explain why my cat ,which was a stray is terrified of men,
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Re: killing cats

Of course it isn't legal! Swiss animal protection laws are actually fairly draconian in comparison with most countries. In fact I would venture that they are so draconian that the authorities have difficulty applying them.

But if you think that your neighbour is killing cats for their skins, you can always report them either to the animal protection people or the cantonal veterinary.
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my neighbour, who lives in a farm house, has many cats, as a cat lover i have noticed them come and go and disappear, when i ask where they are he says they got run over,and gets a bit uncomfitable this is about 5 in the last two years,
i have now just been to a local fair,(where i have seen more locals in one hour than i have in one year, and it reminded me of the film deliverance, without the banjos, and i am left wondering if it is a law that before you are allowed to marry, do you have to be related first) one of the stalls was openly selling cat pelts, i asked where they came from and she got very defensive, as well as having a face as hard as nails,
is it legal to farm/kill cats for the fur here, it migh also explain why my cat ,which was a stray is terrified of men,
May I ask where the local fair was?
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it was in the outer reaches of zuri oberland,in a small village, it was all rather odd
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Re: killing cats

snoopy, you seem rather idignant at my question, however i have after some research just discovered that it is legal to kill cats and dogs to eat, so i suppose keeping the skins is only one step away no stranger than the act of wantonly killing one of these animals, and i use the word wantonly because after all we are in one of the richest countries in the world, and i dont think they are doing it because they are starving, surely it would be easier to just go to migros and buy some pork/beef/horse
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i dont think they are doing it because they are starvin, surely it would be easier to just go to migros and buy some pork/beef/horse
Yes, because pork/beef/horse grow on trees and are just fruits
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not sure what that is meant to mean, please explain
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Yes, because pork/beef/horse grow on trees and are just fruits
Have you never heard of beefroots?

Or horse chestnuts?
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Old 04.07.2021, 17:06
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Re: killing cats

When I was living in Germany there was a local fasnacht group who as part of their outfit wore a scarf made out of cat fur.

This had apparently been so since time immemorial, but at some point people started getting concerned and whenever a cat disappeared people would start pointing fingers. So the fasnacht group came clear and declared the furs were all sourced from China and imported legally and they published the paperwork to prove it.

That didn't really satisfy the animal lovers and there was another outcry and they finally switched to artificial furs.
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Re: killing cats

The issue touches several bits of Swiss animal welfare legislation.

The simple answer:

Animals do not have a right to life in Switzerland - you may decide to kill animals you own for any, or no, reason. But the method of killing is legislated, the goal is to provide as painless a death as possible. The TSchG regulates how an animal may be killed.

See, for instance, this from the Tier Im Recht foundation:

https://www.tierimrecht.org/de/recht...ieren-erlaubt/

Ja, das Schweizer Recht sieht keinen allgemeinen Lebensschutz für Tiere vor. Aus diesem Grund dürfen Tiere im Prinzip auch dann getötet werden, wenn für eine solche Handlung kein Anlass besteht. Wird ein Tier getötet, so darf dies aber nur auf bestimmte Art und Weise geschehen. Das Tierschutzgesetz (TSchG) verbietet nämlich die qualvolle oder mutwillige Tötung eines Tieres.

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So, assuming you own the animals - you may not drown your kittens in a sack, you may not poison your puppy. That would fall under abuse, and you could be prosceuted for causing pain, fear, suffering. You may, however, ask the vet to euthanize your pets - and you are not required to justify the killing.

Many like to pretend it doesn't happen, but that is burying one's head in the sand. Yes, in Switzerland some people kill their pets when they get tired of them. Yes, it is uncomfortable to acknowledge - but we need to do so as the first step in helping animals out of these sad situations.

Now - a good vet tries to talk an owner out of it, tries to get the animal into a rescue, or can refuse to do the deed. But the owner is within their legal right to kill a healthy pet for no reason at all - as long as the killing is within the methods prescribed by law.

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There are rules governing hunting, and rules governing slaughter as well.

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Obviously, if the animals are not your property you may not kill them. (And obviously you may not steal them either.)

To use an example I know of: A woman took the neighbor's dog from the garden, brought it to the vet, said it was hers, and had it euthanized. Because it was an 'artgerecht' killing the only thing the poor dog's owners could try to charge her with was theft.

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Cantonal 'Wildhüter' are allowed to shoot pet animals in certain cases, for instance in certain cases where a dog is off lead in the forest during protected dates and causing harm to wild animals. Some cantons allow the shooting of cats that wander more than 'X' meters from a residential area.

(Most Wildhüter try to avoid shooting pets, this is generally done only of necessity when other measures have failed.)

Or if a dog gets into a farmer's field and worries livestock, in some cantons the farmer has the right to shoot the dog.

In these cases, shooting is considered 'artgerecht' killing. Assuming one is a good shot and kills immediately, rather than leaving an injured animal to die.

(People, know and follow your local and cantonal leash laws and other regs!)

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Pet animals killed in traffic accidents are an interesting case. One is required to report hitting an animal and where possible to render aid. The offense is in not making a report, or in leaving an injured animal to die a lingering death.

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Bottom line:

Stealing cats would be an offense. Killing them in any way other than that prescribed by the TschG would be an offense.

If you have concerns about what is going on, contact your cantonal Veterinäramt in the first instance, as that is the agency with the power to investigate.

For advice, you can also write the Tier Im Recht foundation.

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FYI, in order to be most effective in protecting animals, when one suspects abusive or illegal activity, it is important to approach authorities with facts and evidence, not assumptions or emotion.

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Snoopy hit the nail on the head; Switzerland has some of the best animal protection legislation on the books... which often is difficult to enforce. Sometimes there may be a lack of resources, or a lack of will, to do so.

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Re: killing cats

I understand the outrage at seeing cat furs for sale. I'm not sure what the legalities are but even many Swiss would be put off seeing that.
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Obviously, if the animals are not your property you may not kill them. (And obviously you may not steal them either.)

To use an example I know of: A woman took the neighbor's dog from the garden, brought it to the vet, said it was hers, and had it euthanized. Because it was an 'artgerecht' killing the only thing the poor dog's owners could try to charge her with was theft.
hang on, this sounds contradictory.

I thought you said you cannot euthanize animals that are not yours
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hang on, this sounds contradictory.

I thought you said you cannot euthanize animals that are not yours
concerning the killing of animals that are not yours, wasn't there a conflict some years back between people who were flying a hunting falcon and pigeon fanciers who said the falcon was killing their pigeons?
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hang on, this sounds contradictory.

I thought you said you cannot euthanize animals that are not yours
You cannot. However, crime done here was theft, not vicious murder since the animal was euthanasied in an approved way. If I understood correctly the interpretation.

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Another thing to question was why vet would kill an animal just because someone says they're owners.

I mean, if animal isn't chipped and registered, then yes, then we cannot blame the vet - they couldn't know.
Apart from ethical standpoint of killing the healthy animal instead of taking it and giving to the shelter, but I guess laws don't allow them confiscation.


So I'd add - chip your pets, and keep them on the leash and with you / supervised. That goes for cats and other creatures able to run away like ferrets and so, not only dogs.
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Friday was two days ago.

You have exceeded your trolling limit for the week/

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hang on, this sounds contradictory.

I thought you said you cannot euthanize animals that are not yours
Blackie explained it better than I did. The owners were told that the crime was theft, not necesarily the killing, because the dog was killed in a legal way.

Not to excuse what the *(insert appropriately outraged adjective) woman did. But simply to illustrate.


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FYI, from the TschG art. 14, in force since 2013:

Die Ein-, Durch- und Ausfuhr von Katzen- und Hundefellen und daraus hergestellten Produkten sowie der Handel mit solchen Fellen und Produkten sind verboten.

Import, transit, and export of cat and dog fur, and products made from cat and dog fur, as well as the trade in such fur and products, is prohibited.

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By the way, Schweizer Tierschutz STS has put out a 'Wegweiser' of the various animal protection/welfare laws. It's a handy layman's guide to the rather complex set of laws:

http://www.tierschutz.com/publikatio...iser_tschg.pdf

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