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Old 15.07.2021, 16:15
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As mentioned, it's a different world in Austria.

They're missing their royalty and thus titles are everything.
They even "wear off" to your wife (don't know if it's the other way round, TBH), where if your husband is a Dr., you are automatically "Mrs Dr.".
Even if it's not a medical titles.
It was the same in Germany when we lived there.
I had the dubious pleasure of being referred to as Frau Dr Dr ÖÖ.. as my husband has both a medical degree and a PhD. It used to annoy me immensely.
Luckily I hadnít finished my phd then or I would have been Frau Dr Dr Dr ÖÖ.
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Old 15.07.2021, 17:15
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PhD still has enough value that I could see why people do so.......
When I went to college I had a side job as bartender in a club. Many of the other guys went by stupid nicknames. One was a little older and everyone referred to him as "the doctor". I asked him why... turned out he had a PhD in philosophy and after some post-doc years didnt manage to find a job at a university...
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Old 15.07.2021, 18:25
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Re: Dr. before your name

When I joined an oil company in the UAE some decades ago, I was in a team with a Canadian whose last name is 'Nurse' and an Aussie whose last name is 'Doctor'. Yeah, what are the odds both of them landing in one org. In their email signatures, they like to attach their certification titles too- OCDBA, PMP which both of them have. There was a third one though whom we address as Dr., a PhD. Got me even more confused.
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Old 15.07.2021, 18:56
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I donít bother. I have it on my cards and accounts if needed, but I donít see Frau or Herr on plates so I see no reason for the Dr.
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Old 15.07.2021, 19:39
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As mentioned, it's a different world in Austria.

They're missing their royalty and thus titles are everything.
They even "wear off" to your wife (don't know if it's the other way round, TBH), where if your husband is a Dr., you are automatically "Mrs Dr.".
Even if it's not a medical titles.
It is cute - back we got that too, mom being called Mrs. DoktorovŠ mistakenly, instead of Dr.
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Old 16.07.2021, 11:02
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When I went to college I had a side job as bartender in a club. Many of the other guys went by stupid nicknames. One was a little older and everyone referred to him as "the doctor". I asked him why... turned out he had a PhD in philosophy and after some post-doc years didnt manage to find a job at a university...
Reminds me of this joke from my studies...

...what do you say to someone with a PhD in Physics?

"two Big Mac and a coke, please"
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Old 16.07.2021, 11:53
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Reminds me of this joke from my studies...

...what do you say to someone with a PhD in Physics?

"two Big Mac and a coke, please"
The Joke turned out on the other foot in the 1980's as they became partners in Goldman Sachs
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Re: Dr. before your name

my ex wife insists on this. even her email first / last name include Dr.
for me that says it all.

phd is pretty much just a complete education these days.
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Old 16.07.2021, 14:51
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my ex wife insists on this. even her email first / last name include Dr.
for me that says it all.

phd is pretty much just a complete education these days.
I've heard from some women in industry that they really push the doctor side so that they are respected as equals of others at their level.

I think I read about it somewhere as well where male speakers were frequently called Dr. X whilst female speakers were called Ms Y. Some kind of subconscious bias.
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Old 16.07.2021, 14:55
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phd is pretty much just a complete education these days.
Non-medical PhD holders tend to fall into two categories: Those with academic excellence who don't fit into the working world and those with academic failure who don't fit into the working world.
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Re: Dr. before your name

I haven't seen anyone with this take on it, so I'll bring it up.



I have a Ph.D., but not on my mailbox.


However, as a) a female from b) a country with a bad reputation here, I am considering putting it on there if we were to move again. It might help fight the prejudice at the beginning, especially as my German, though fluent, is quite accented (with clear accent from b)). Yes, in an English-speaking country as an immigrant from a medium- or high-status country it would be somewhat of a pompous move, but in this particular case it might actually have its advantages.
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Old 17.07.2021, 11:47
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Re: Dr. before your name

I can't really see an advantage to putting it on your mailbox....



But, my sister has her PhD as does her husband. They both travel as Dr.


Disadvantage ? Emergency on a plane, someone may think they are medically trained. Advantage ? Well, the last time they travelled internationally together with two small children they got upgraded to business class for no specific reason.
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Old 17.07.2021, 12:27
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I can't really see an advantage to putting it on your mailbox....



But, my sister has her PhD as does her husband. They both travel as Dr.


Disadvantage ? Emergency on a plane, someone may think they are medically trained. Advantage ? Well, the last time they travelled internationally together with two small children they got upgraded to business class for no specific reason.
I have observed that in settings like meetings people sit up and pay more attention when you are Herr Doktor. For example at neighbourhood meetings or when voicing objections to planning. Or when writing letters of complaint.
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The Joke turned out on the other foot in the 1980's as they became partners in Goldman Sachs
Pretty much any STEM-fields degree will get you a well-paid job, anytime.

Much less so with many in the humanities, let alone "gender studies".
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Old 17.07.2021, 14:11
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Pretty much any STEM-fields degree will get you a well-paid job, anytime.

Much less so with many in the humanities, let alone "gender studies".
A good social sciences degree will get you a well paid job here as well, especially if you‘ve got a quantitative background, e.g., statistics. I have a degree from Carnegie Mellon in the US (not a PhD). Statistics is in the school of social sciences and humanities. It‘s not all crap.
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If someone sends a letter to "Dr. Higgs" and you don't have "Dr." on your mailbox it won't get delivered.
This is not true. I had many letters addressed to "Dr. me" delivered to my mailbox that doesn't have Dr. on it.
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Statistics is in the school of social sciences and humanities. It‘s not all crap.
I always though social science people complained bitterly about having to learn statistics and study the topic just well enough to pass the tests. And rarely if ever develop any passion for it.

I also thought that in mathematics departments, the teaching of statistics to social science students people is considered a dull chore that is typically delegated to the newbies.

That's my impression anyway, from the mathematicians I know.
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Re: Dr. before your name

A friend, who holds a PhD in a field far removed from medicine or science, is currently being treated for a serious disease at a hospital in Switzerland.

She registered for her first appointment as Frau X. The doctor barely looked at her, mostly spoke past her to other staff in the room. When he did speak to her he was patronizing, pretty much ignoring her questions.

She registered for her next appointment as Dr. X. The same doctor, who by the way did not seem to recognize her from the previous appointment, this time treated her with respect, looked her in the eye, answered all her questions until she was satisfied with his answers. And he immediately recognized her at the next appointment.

I've heard similar stories from a couple other friends. Use of the an academic title, even when in a field unrelated to medicine, can change the way some doctors interact with patients.

Which is quite worrying.
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You can diagnose my so called problems? Isn‘t that akin to a personal attack? I have lots of theories about you too, but I keep them to myself.
I criticize your action, not your mindset or character behind it. Thanks for proving my point.

That said, if what I criticize is caused by psychological issues, professional help may indeed be the best way forward for you.
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A good social sciences degree will get you a well paid job here as well, especially if you‘ve got a quantitative background, e.g., statistics. I have a degree from Carnegie Mellon in the US (not a PhD). Statistics is in the school of social sciences and humanities. It‘s not all crap.
Perhaps stop putting words in my mouth and (presumably intentionally) misrepresent what I said. I never said all degrees in social science are breadless, not even remotely.

Mods, my previous reply to your post got deleted, how this can be let online is difficult to understand. If you delete stuff please do so concisely, e.g. by deleting the entire subthread. As things stand, your actions make zero sense and you appear to be biased in favor of this female poster.

Contrary to what I got in the PM, my response was not a personal attack, there was no character judgement or attack contained. What I did was criticize her actions, the pattern she exhibits therein, nothing more.
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