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Old 18.07.2021, 23:10
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Re: Dr. before your name

Discussions like this thread remind me of the extremely high level of education so many EFs have.
I will go out of my way to address people, especially in writing, with their correct title.
I wonít use the German Prof. Dr. form, but I will certainly say/write Prof. or Dr. or MaÓtre.
Theyíve earned it, they deserve to be addressed accordingly.
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I always found it a pompous move i.e. sticking the "dr." in front of your name in all circumstances, especially when not relevant. It's one thing to attach the academic or professional titles to your name in professional settings and when it counts, and totally different during day to day interactions. It's ridiculous imo. Sure, I'm impressed by some PhDs in certain fields but not by all. And friends who do have PhDs have always been modest about this thing. It's probably a matter of generations.
Anyways, that doesn't say too much about one's character or personality, sometimes not even about one's ability to perform their job. But if some see fit to remind others constantly about their achievements, probably with the thought that those who don't brag are simpletons, well, that says a lot of what an academic title really means these days.
To me, education means so much more than a title. I can write an interminable essay about education, but it's neither the place nor the time.

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A friend, who holds a PhD in a field far removed from medicine or science, is currently being treated for a serious disease at a hospital in Switzerland.

She registered for her first appointment as Frau X. The doctor barely looked at her, mostly spoke past her to other staff in the room. When he did speak to her he was patronizing, pretty much ignoring her questions.

She registered for her next appointment as Dr. X. The same doctor, who by the way did not seem to recognize her from the previous appointment, this time treated her with respect, looked her in the eye, answered all her questions until she was satisfied with his answers. And he immediately recognized her at the next appointment.

I've heard similar stories from a couple other friends. Use of the an academic title, even when in a field unrelated to medicine, can change the way some doctors interact with patients.

Which is quite worrying.
Sadly, it also goes the other way.


I have many times been involved in a pre-hiring conversation that went something along the lines of :
"oh, but they have a Phd... they probably don't fit into the real world / are overqualified / are too academic / don't understand business"


So it really depends...
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A medical doctor is someone of service to a community/saves lives so deserves the stature. Now a pretentious twat with a PHD in philosophy, I’m sure the world will keep spinning.
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A medical doctor is someone of service to a community/saves lives so deserves the stature. Now a pretentious twat with a PHD in philosophy, I’m sure the world will keep spinning.
Plenty of medical doctors are pretentious twats and plenty of PhDs do important jobs.
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PHD in gender studies and they'll put it on their mailbox and everything


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A medical doctor is someone of service to a community/saves lives so deserves the stature. Now a pretentious twat with a PHD in philosophy, Iím sure the world will keep spinning.
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PHD in gender studies and they'll put it on their mailbox and everything


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Old 19.07.2021, 23:31
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A medical doctor is someone of service to a community/saves lives so deserves the stature. Now a pretentious twat with a PHD in philosophy, Iím sure the world will keep spinning.
Thatís rather brutal donít you think?

There are some very pretentious medical doctors as there are some fantastic philosophers.
Itís about the person, not the subject matter.

One could legitimately argue that science emanates from philosophy.
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Plenty of medical doctors are pretentious twats and plenty of PhDs do important jobs.

Yup, and being a doctor is not a sign of being a better or more empathetic person or anybody. At best it's a sign that you performed well in an academic environment and got yourself sufficiently well organized to take a job that was assigned to you to a satisfactory conclusion. That may or may not say something about your ability to be good at other jobs.

I would prefer my medical doctor to be understanding, empathetic and to be able to read symptoms correctly and make correct deductions. A GP does not need to be a great academic. Being able to write a thesis or do high-flying independent research has little bearing on a GP's job AFAIK. Maybe when it comes to medical researchers and cutting edge specialists it would be good to know these jobs are filled with geniuses and academic high flyers. But not so for my local GP.
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A medical doctor is someone of service to a community/saves lives so deserves the stature. Now a pretentious twat with a PHD in philosophy, Iím sure the world will keep spinning.
Doctors need drugs to save lives
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Sadly, it also goes the other way.


I have many times been involved in a pre-hiring conversation that went something along the lines of :
"oh, but they have a Phd... they probably don't fit into the real world / are overqualified / are too academic / don't understand business"


So it really depends...
Probably depends on the company.

Where I work I would guesstimate that 60 to 80 % of senior managers have a PhD. I don't think this was ever a requirement, or at least i have never heard it set out as a requirement. Maybe it is because in R&D you naturally tend to get more PhDs, and many people move on from R&D into other types of project management which is from where middle managers tend to get recruited.

Maybe the number of PhD holders is declining as there is a slow influx of new people who don't have one, with maybe a side branch into business studies replacing the PhD. But that still amounts to extra years spent at uni, just doing something different.
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Doctors need drugs to save lives
Ask Christian Eriksen next time your talking to him.
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Deep inside we’re all doctors, man

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Probably depends on the company.

Where I work I would guesstimate that 60 to 80 % of senior managers have a PhD. I don't think this was ever a requirement, or at least i have never heard it set out as a requirement. Maybe it is because in R&D you naturally tend to get more PhDs, and many people move on from R&D into other types of project management which is from where middle managers tend to get recruited.

Maybe the number of PhD holders is declining as there is a slow influx of new people who don't have one, with maybe a side branch into business studies replacing the PhD. But that still amounts to extra years spent at uni, just doing something different.
Some years ago I was senior manager in a well known company oop north.
I was also the only guy who hadnít an alphabet title and neitherÖgod forbid..had never even been to University .
However, after one of the big Ďrestructuringsí which Anglo-Saxon companies are so fond of I was one of the very few who didnít get canned, the reason being is that I was the only one who had done an apprenticeship .. both in England and Switzerland..and therefore could go onto the factory floor and sort out problems as opposed to being just a desk jockey.
One of the victims of the great cull was the marketing director..any amount of letters after his name including a first class degree from Cambridge, his mistake was spending a million on a failed advertising campaign so, Phd or no Phd it was Ďon yer bike soní.
I can only speak for myself and my own experiences in my highly specialised field of expertise but in R&D the best teams are a mixture of people with both practical
skills and theoretical knowledge. When the intellectuals dominate then things have tended to become somewhat lopsided.
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Probably depends on the company.

Where I work I would guesstimate that 60 to 80 % of senior managers have a PhD. I don't think this was ever a requirement, or at least i have never heard it set out as a requirement. Maybe it is because in R&D you naturally tend to get more PhDs, and many people move on from R&D into other types of project management which is from where middle managers tend to get recruited.

Maybe the number of PhD holders is declining as there is a slow influx of new people who don't have one, with maybe a side branch into business studies replacing the PhD. But that still amounts to extra years spent at uni, just doing something different.
I closely know MDs with PhDs on top and usually it signals more motivation, personal passion for a particular issue, deeper background, practical and theoretical knowledge. And being workoholic. Doesn't mean more theory/less real life nor that one has to have a degree in order to be good. Some people are good because they got one foot in real life and the 2nd in research and use smartly both. It is a bit tough to be simply a family to them though, not a walking diagnosis . But I know other PhDs like that..teachers, for example, ecolo crazies, shrinks, playwrites and deans of unies, etc. Lovely bunch. Their titles mean a lot, though, because they got the most out of that opportunity. It doesn't mean they consider themselves more than others, absolutely not. But that is an entirely different problem and touches all sorts of people, whether they have degrees or not. One doesn't need a degree to be a phony nor need to be a phony to go for a degree.
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I don't think anyone mentioned it thus far. I always liked this explanation:

https://matt.might.net/articles/phd-school-in-pictures/
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This guy has 5+ million followers, and he is no doctor!

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