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Old 27.07.2021, 08:31
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For a moment neither spoke, then one started to cry, and then they told me how they'd been trying to "struggle against their same-sex attraction" but had finally given that up and admitted that this is sex, and in their case this is also love.

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They left grateful to have been heard. It was all rather wonderful, and rather sad that such love could not be enjoyed and celebrated.
I hope those two found a way, they have a tough row to hoe.

Mormons are extremely nice, unless you try to leave the fold, in which case they're not very nice at all.
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Several years ago, I was recovering post-op at home, when two young Mormons rang the bell. Since I was bored, I let them in. They were relieved that I spoke English, and were delightful young men: witty, attentive, serious, interesting, intelligent and polite. So I let them tell me their whole thing, and asked a lot of questions. I told them clearly that I had no interest in becoming a Mormon and would not convert to their religion. Neverthelss, we had a nice discussion, laughed a lot, and they promised to return in few days' time, which they did.

When they returned for their third visit, I asked how much time they had left before they'd have to return to the States.
"Less than two months!"
And I asked: "And does your family know?"
"Know what?"
I replied: "Well, I mean, about the two of you. Do they know?"
They blushed deeply and swallowed hard and one whispered: "Please, what do you mean?"
I said: "Well, I may be reading you wrong, but to me, you look like you love each other very much, and that you'd like to spend the rest of your lives together, as a couple. In other words: I think you're gay. And I don't think your religion likes that, very much."

For a moment neither spoke, then one started to cry, and then they told me how they'd been trying to "struggle against their same-sex attraction" but had finally given that up and admitted that this is sex, and in their case this is also love.

That visit and the next one were all about when to come out, if at all, and to whom, and how their parents and religious leaders were sure to condemn and possibly reject them, and how many gay people there might be in the world, and what would happen if they were shunned or left on their own accord, and where they could go and how they might earn a living, and how if they didn't stay they wouldn't be able to pay for their education, and whether one could keep such a matter secret, and why it is healthy to be true to oneself.

They left grateful to have been heard. It was all rather wonderful, and rather sad that such love could not be enjoyed and celebrated.
That is a very lovely story and thanks for sharing and helping those two.

Also, please be more careful next time - there are many who would not have reacted so kindly to your "I think you are gay" statement. Luckily Mormons have a reputation of being non-violent.
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Old 27.07.2021, 12:28
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Re: JWs in Switzerland

In Malta I live in a 3/4/5 floor triplex, there is no lift or entry phone. When someone rings the bell, I hang out of the window & ask what the want. They replied "is this the home of the English family" (we being the only English people living in the Street at the time). I replied 'No' & came inside.

A neighbour was more annoying as he got the local priest to pray for our apartment & spray some incense, apparently you are supposed to offer a donation for this 'service', I did not & the priest has never been back
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That is a very lovely story and thanks for sharing and helping those two.

Also, please be more careful next time - there are many who would not have reacted so kindly to your "I think you are gay" statement. Luckily Mormons have a reputation of being non-violent.
You're certainly right about being very cautious.

In this case, the particular couple had been giggling and flirting right there, on my sofa, (and trying so hard not to gaze lovingly into each others' eyes) during three visits, and also had gained an impression of my world views, (by which they knew, already, that they were in a safe place) before I broached the subject.
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Re: JWs in Switzerland

In 20 years they've never rang my door bell. But, should they, I'll use an old 'joke' from Seinfeld. I'll say I'm busy but if they could give me their personal home address, I'd be happy to go ring their doorbell when it was convenient for me.
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