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Who to ask about CCTV footage? (Has anyone ever had their bike nicked)

Obviously the first thing you do in time of stress is ASK EF.

I got my bike nicked today in Hardbrucke, next to the station under the bridge! I have a quesiton like, and i thought 'if anyone knows, EF does.'

My bike was in a pretty decent range of a CCTV camera that sits on a Parking Meter. I thoguht maybe it could help catch the scoundrel. Do you think the CCTV belongs to the parking company or the SBB? Or the cops? Maybeit belongs to the city?

Will any of these companies go over their private cctv feed for me? Is that what it's there for? Or is it there for another reason.

Also: has anyone had their bike nicked before here? I thought it was a rare thing, unlike say in the UK cities (and everywhere else I guess). Did you go to the cops and if so, did they GAF? Im not blaming the cops for considering it trivial. I just wanna know if I should go to the cops and tell them about the cctv. Smoking my sherlock holmes pipe oc.
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Old 27.07.2021, 20:24
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Re: Who to ask about CCTV footage? (Has anyone ever had their bike nicked)

I'm sorry about your bike. That sucks. I read not too long ago that bike theft is actually quite common in Switzerland.

Anyways, maybe you should contact the police about it, and perhaps they could help tell you who to contact regarding access to the CCTV camera and footage.

Good luck!
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Old 27.07.2021, 20:37
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Re: Who to ask about CCTV footage? (Has anyone ever had their bike nicked)

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I'm sorry about your bike. That sucks. I read not too long ago that bike theft is actually quite common in Switzerland.

Anyways, maybe you should contact the police about it, and perhaps they could help tell you who to contact regarding access to the CCTV camera and footage.

Good luck!
Definitely report it to the police, they will deal with any investigation. And give you a reference number that your insurance will need if they cover bike theft.

Even if you get the CCTV footage (which IMO would be wrong from a privacy viewpoint), there's nothing legal you can do with it anyway.
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Re: Who to ask about CCTV footage? (Has anyone ever had their bike nicked)

Thanks @pancakes that's good advice. Yeh I'll go to the cops.

Yeh thanks about the bike.

I was just watching this you tube about a guy who had his bike nicked in san Fransisco and the guy was complaining that 'these days' nobody intervenes if they see someone's bike getting nicked. he really meant it too, coz he said it three times.

tbh standing between a tooled up desperado and someone else's mountain bike seems a bit above-and-beyond on a tuesday afternoon if u ask me. altho i think the guy was probably just pissed off he got his bike nicked and was in the 'blaming the world' stage of grief.

@newtoswitz yeh that makes sense. what am i gonna do with the footage? do you reckon if i told the cops they would investigate the cctv. or would it depend? like if it wasnt their cctv, would it be waaay too much work to request it for one bike theft. maybe even if it was their cctv they wouldnt bother anyway? I WILL DEFO REPORT it to the cops tho.
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Old 27.07.2021, 20:44
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Re: Who to ask about CCTV footage? (Has anyone ever had their bike nicked)

I think there might be "professional" bike thieves, too -- people that go around deliberately looking for bikes to steal. We had a problem in our neighborhood for a while with someone (or people, plural) going into the velo rooms of apartment buildings and stealing bikes from there. For that reason, we have to keep the interior door to the velo room in our building locked now.
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Re: Who to ask about CCTV footage? (Has anyone ever had their bike nicked)

I've had 4 bikes stolen, and 1 damaged when the thieves tried to break the lock by kicking my bike.

Over the course of recent months, I've had someone try to steal my bike from right in front of me as I sat on a bench, and twice heard gangs of men on the street below going garden-to-garden, and bike-to--bike, stealing any they could easily rob, or with high values (they'd group together to try to rob these ones).

A few weekends ago, I confronted 2 men on the street below kicking a bike's lock to try to steal it. 2 of my neighbours confronted 2 robbers on the street last weekend, as they were about to cycle away on stolen bikes.

A frequent topic of conversation I hear, and partake in, is bike theft.

An acquaintance of mine said they tried similar tactics on his scooter during the Euros, and he confronted the 3 thieves on his own.

The police do nothing, and don't care, about bike theft. You should still report it, as documenting crime stat's is important.
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Old 27.07.2021, 20:46
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Re: Who to ask about CCTV footage? (Has anyone ever had their bike nicked)

First of all what does bike mean in your post?
A bicycle? Yeah, they get nicked all the time.
A motorbike? If so first place to go is definitely to the police!! Someone is running around on your insurance!

As to the cctv - if you know how to contact the parking company, ask them first. They will at least know who's camera it is. Not sure they will look through their footage, on the other hand a straight forward "what the heck is is it there for then" might make them reconsider. TIS after all, cameras need a reason to exist here.
You may not be allowed to be present when they look through it.

Ah yeah and not to forget, sorry for your loss. You should report the theft to the police in any case. Btw, my bicycle is included in the "Hausratversicherung" (but I had to explicetly do that).
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Re: Who to ask about CCTV footage? (Has anyone ever had their bike nicked)

thanks Curley good advice. I will call the park company then, if i can, just out of interest to see what happens. i'll go back to the cameras and parking ticket machine theyre on, and see if there's a number or anything.

it was a velo by the way! and yup it turns out it's only me living in la la land where bike theft dont really happen in switzerland coz ...CliiniMuus that post is mindblowing. Ive got so many questions. For example: WTF!

you HAVE TO tell the story of the fiend who tried to nick your bike right in front of you. what happened next? also the story about you confronting people trying to kick a lock open plz. I think i might contact that American you tuber and tell him actually, theyre are heroes out there

Pancakes, re your private velo sheds and all the theft you mentioned, do you think cctv around private buildings is ever something that people will want hee in CH. Coz its very rare tbh.
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Old 27.07.2021, 21:29
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Re: Who to ask about CCTV footage? (Has anyone ever had their bike nicked)

4000 a year get nicked in Basel.
If you have household contents insurance the bike should be covered.

Out of interest, what sort of lock did you have?
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Old 27.07.2021, 21:31
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Re: Who to ask about CCTV footage? (Has anyone ever had their bike nicked)

The important thing is to act fast. CCTV footage is only kept longer than a few days if there is a specific crime (or other incident) that needs to be preserved for later use (such as in court). Public transport CCTV, for instance, is generally erased after three days. Once it's erased, there will be no evidence at all.
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..... me living in la la land ....
LOL. Keep living there, it's kind of protective. You must admit you have lived here a long time until you had your first bike stolen.

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.... do you think cctv around private buildings is ever something that people will want hee in CH. Coz its very rare tbh.
Nope.
So there will be some bloke in a hoody on the cctv. What will be next? A "wanted-photo" in the press and on tv?

Many bicycles get stolen at train-stations only to get home late at night. That doesn't make it less unpleasant for the owners but they are often found soon later. Maybe those people should start leaving a note, something like "I'm just reparking it in Wollishofen"
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Re: Who to ask about CCTV footage? (Has anyone ever had their bike nicked)

Crossing fingers, i did not get my bike stolen (yet). It helps if you have sideboards saying 'honey directly from the beekeeper' and the bike is so shitty you would have to walk along it going uphill, instead of riding it.

Jokes apart, (a), yes, report it to the police, (b) if it had some type of registration number, report it also to the police. There is twice per year a 'Veloborsen', where you can buy 2nd hand bikes from private individuals with no doubts of its provenance

https://www.pro-velo.ch/de/angebote/veloboersen

each one of the bikes brought by whoever are registered, so if they were / have been stolen (and tried to be sold through this means) , they will get reported (not sure if returned).

Apart from that, I have seen in Oerlikon / Seebach a couple of ...dubious pawn shops, to call them somehow... where they sell used bikes.

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Old 28.07.2021, 10:17
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Re: Who to ask about CCTV footage? (Has anyone ever had their bike nicked)

Bike theft is not uncommon in Zurich, I think it used to be even worse but maybe it is making a resurgence.

Sorry to hear you lost yours.
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Re: Who to ask about CCTV footage? (Has anyone ever had their bike nicked)

I run our CCTV network at work.



CCTV footage is strictly regulated by data privacy laws, and can't be handed out to just anyone. The best you can do is report the theft to the police and then they need to approach the camera owners for footage. Often they need to provide a court order.
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Re: Who to ask about CCTV footage? (Has anyone ever had their bike nicked)

Every bike needs at least three locks; one on the front disk brake; one on the rear tyre and a sturdy chain attaching the bike to something fixed in place. Oh and making sure the handlebars and seat cannot be removed. That might take a couple of cable locks as well.
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you HAVE TO tell the story of the fiend who tried to nick your bike right in front of you. what happened next? also the story about you confronting people trying to kick a lock open plz.

He was brazen, going stright towards my handlebars to rob it. I happened to be on a video call at the time, speaking in a different language to the one I then had to switch suddenly to to tell the thief to carry-on walking, that the bike wasn't his. He asked if it was mine, which I ignored, and said something akin to "it's not your bike". He went to touch my handlebars again, stating it was his bike, and I moved to block him, saying loudly that he was trying to steal a bike, addressing him as "bike thief" loudly. He then walked on.


The other... Again, brazen and bold... I heard sudden, repeated strange noises and agitated whispering in the early hours of the morning, so looked out of an open window I was stood near to, and spotted the 2 men (they were using the post the lock was locked to as something to kick it against). I ran outside with no shoes on, no phone, no keys, and stood right in the middle of the street detailing loudly what they were doing. I heard the door I had just appeared from close.



They said it was their bike, and there was nothing to worry about, but I carried on commentating loudly on what they were doing, and started walking in their direction. They carried on kicking for another 30 seconds or so, then walked away. I sat on the street for a while, wondering if they'd come back, and wondering what I should do now that I was locked out. They didn't steal the bike, but they'd done so much damage, part of the frame was horizontal, and other bits had fallen off.


A few of us are trying our best to inform the local neighbours we know when bikes are stolen, or there's an attempt. I would say, we're all now accustomed to trying our best to stay on high-alert, and to avoid resting on our laurels. It's tiresome, but necessary, as the police aren't interested, and the theft can happen in under a minute, so really quick reflexes are necessary, if we hope to intervene.
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An acquaintance of mine told me earlier that his brand-new bike was stolen about a month ago from the street, and another acquaintance told me earlier that his old bike was stolen a few weeks ago from his cellar space. 2 more for the collection.
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Re: Who to ask about CCTV footage? (Has anyone ever had their bike nicked)

Velos have always been an preferred thing to steal, pretty much from every velo parking place, train stations and elsewhere. Also, it's not unusual for them to get broken, or pieces stolen from.

The best protection is to use a cheap velo to the train station and back.
The older looking the better, you can't really know how well it still functions just from looking at it, but it reduces the risk of theft. Thieves nowadays are unlikely to carry an open-ended wrench, so they can't nick your ancinet wheels.

And if it still happens the damage is low.
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