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Old 29.07.2021, 19:31
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I find it hard to explain why IT companies would ask for mandatory return to office and mandatory vaccination if work from home could have been an option.
Because they are socially responsible?

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Old 29.07.2021, 20:26
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Yes but a doctor's note does not (have to) provide details of the condition. The only requirement is that it says to what degree the employee is limited in their ability to work, and for what time period.
I have known an employer to question sick notes that looked suspicious (not mine), including requiring the employee to visit a different doctor, appointed by the company.

But this was in the case of a very prolonged absence.
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Well, if it is Google, reports I have seen indicates they will allow continued WFH for those that donít want to be socially responsible.
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Old 29.07.2021, 21:57
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Well, if it is Google, reports I have seen indicates they will allow continued WFH for those that donít want to be socially responsible.
I would have thought WFH is the most socially responsible option for all, if the situation allows.

Strange to see Google try to turn the tables there.
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I have known an employer to question sick notes that looked suspicious (not mine), including requiring the employee to visit a different doctor, appointed by the company.

But this was in the case of a very prolonged absence.
Yes they are entitled to do this. But the result is the same - medical confidentiality still applies, the company only gets to see a report on ability to work and not the cause.
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Re: Vaccination required for office entry?

One employer I worked for (big corporation out of Basel) required that we go for a physical exam at their on-site doctor when hired permanently by the company. I did not like this, never went & nobody ever came after me for not doing so. I was always open about my health conditions when the situation rarely presented itself. I did not like the idea of them being on official permanent record.

I am however in full support of companies making vaccination mandatory. If you don't like it, you can leave.
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One employer I worked for (big corporation out of Basel) required that we go for a physical exam at their on-site doctor when hired permanently by the company. I did not like this, never went & nobody ever came after me for not doing so. I was always open about my health conditions when the situation rarely presented itself. I did not like the idea of them being on official permanent record.

I am however in full support of companies making vaccination mandatory. If you don't like it, you can leave.
Aside from the incredible exceptionalism of your post, I don't think your meme will be the "win" that you think it is. Just as with working from home, there are plenty of companies (currently the vast majority) that will not request to see your vaccine status. They will just have their pick from a larger pool of potential employees.
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Old 30.07.2021, 11:21
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Aside from the incredible exceptionalism of your post, I don't think your meme will be the "win" that you think it is. Just as with working from home, there are plenty of companies (currently the vast majority) that will not request to see your vaccine status. They will just have their pick from a larger pool of potential employees.
No exceptionalism at all ... having a company doctor test your health is completely different than asking your employees to be responsible members of society.

And OK, good for them - and I will chose an employer who wants to protect their employees.
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Old 30.07.2021, 11:27
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When it suits you , then ok.
when it does not , then - it should be the way I want .
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Old 30.07.2021, 11:32
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When it suits you , then ok.
when it does not , then - it should be the way I want .
I find it so odd how little some people can comprehend basic language when it doesn't suit their chosen narrative.
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Old 30.07.2021, 12:25
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And OK, good for them - and I will chose an employer who wants to protect their employees.
Firing an employee <> protecting an employee.
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I find it so odd how little some people can comprehend basic language when it doesn't suit their chosen narrative.
Are you talking to yourself in the mirror?

Your inability to empathize with any opinion besides your own is mind numbing.

I know that in your universe vaccination is some sort of a god and end all to all problems.

If it was up to you there would be a vaccination against poverty, against the earth being flat and hey, even a vaccine against believing in vaccines.

But you need to accept you live in a diverse society in which other people besides yourself also have the right to an opinion.

I know it's very difficult for you.

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One employer I worked for (big corporation out of Basel) required that we go for a physical exam at their on-site doctor when hired permanently by the company. I did not like this, never went & nobody ever came after me for not doing so. I was always open about my health conditions when the situation rarely presented itself. I did not like the idea of them being on official permanent record.
When I was employed in London back in 2004 by a very well known bank we worked for a US-based outsourcing company and had to have a full medical including urine and multiple blood tests to test for drugs, liver damage (i.e. alcohol abuse) and a whole load of other tests. This was a pre-requisite to your job offer being fully completed. It's not an unrealistic ask quite frankly when people may be looking after mission critical IT systems for the bank.

Thankfully they stopped that crap once they got rid of the outsourcing company so I didn't have to have it again when I went back years later, but it didn't concern me.

I don't see any issues with having a medical before job offer personally. We used to get free yearly checkups with the same companies' private healthcare every year as well.
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Old 30.07.2021, 12:56
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Yes they are entitled to do this. But the result is the same - medical confidentiality still applies, the company only gets to see a report on ability to work and not the cause.
Whilst you're correct that doctor's notes should only give ability to work information, the employee can choose to allow the doctor to give more information. Also, a large number of jobs require a medical examination as part of their application process, and periodically throughout the employment. My OH was required to have a full medical for an IT role at Heathrow, as a condition of employment.

The thing is, until there's a legal requirement one way or another regarding covid vaccinations in the workplace, employers will often, maybe inevitably, revert to the employment laws which are in place and with which they are familiar, those being laws surrounding duty of care, health and safety, and third party liability.
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Are you talking to yourself in the mirror?

Your inability to empathize with any opinion besides your own is mind numbing.

I know that in your universe vaccination is some sort of a god and end all to all problems.

If it was up to you there would be a vaccination against poverty, against the earth being flat and hey, even a vaccine against believing in vaccines.

But you need to accept you live in a diverse society in which other people besides yourself also have the right to an opinion.

I know it's very difficult for you.
LOL, I regularly laugh at your comments because you have absolutely zero self perception. I am able to empathize with a variety of opinions, but usually not with yours as you are incredibly combative and impossible to talk to.

We do live in a diverse society, but also in a society where there are consequences when you do not protect others. If you want to do exactly what you want to do without consideration for other people, than go live on an island.
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Old 30.07.2021, 13:19
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LOL, I regularly laugh at your comments because you have absolutely zero self perception. I am able to empathize with a variety of opinions, but usually not with yours as you are incredibly combative and impossible to talk to.
Just look at some of the stuff you post. The joke is on you.

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We do live in a diverse society, but also in a society where there are consequences when you do not protect others. If you want to do exactly what you want to do without consideration for other people, than go live on an island.
And firing people because they don't want to get vaccinated. In total disregard of any form of science. Even people working from home. Is that not the same as "doing exactly as you want"?

Why don't you go and live on an island where everybody bows to your irrational wishes.
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LOL, I regularly laugh at your comments because you have absolutely zero self perception. I am able to empathize with a variety of opinions, but usually not with yours as you are incredibly combative and impossible to talk to.

We do live in a diverse society, but also in a society where there are consequences when you do not protect others. If you want to do exactly what you want to do without consideration for other people, than go live on an island.
Susie-Q, vaccines don't stop you catching and transmitting the virus. Why do you care whether others are vaccinated or not?
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Susie-Q, vaccines don't stop you catching and transmitting the virus. Why do you care whether others are vaccinated or not?
Because it's not fair that others take responsibility for themselves.

Because it's not fair that others disregard the advice of meddlers.

Because it's not fair that others use their brains when all that XXXXX has is her big ego and even bigger mouth.

Because it's not fair that others complain or fight back when XXXXX speaks ill of them.

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Because it's not fair that others take responsibility for themselves.

Because it's not fair that others disregard the advice of meddlers.

Because it's not fair that others use their brains when all that XXXXX has is her big ego and even bigger mouth.

Because it's not fair that others complain or fight back when XXXXX speaks ill of them.
Amogles, seems I have gotten under your skin.

You and your little chronies somehow seem to think you own this forum & are directly responsible for why this is no longer a happy & open place. I should be able to give my opinion and not be attacked for it just as anybody.

I am reporting you again for the incessant bullying & for being completely out line and just like last time, I am sure nothing will be done about it. You are hell bent on running everyone out of here that doesn't share your view point and making those who don't really unwelcome.

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Susie-Q, vaccines don't stop you catching and transmitting the virus. Why do you care whether others are vaccinated or not?
They significantly reduce transmission and the seriousness of the cases, I am not sure why you continue to view it otherwise. Have a nice weekend.
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