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8 Kg in books that, according to her, she is gonna need every day. Plus a laptop and the weight of the bag. That has to be close to 10 Kg.
Umm, your "kid" is a bit past the age of having you get upset about her having to carry heavy things on the internet based on the types of books the has and the Facebook profile picture of her weirdly sticking her tongue out. You may want to hide her name from the image...
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Umm, your "kid" is a bit past the age of having you get upset about her having to carry heavy things on the internet based on the types of books the has and the Facebook profile picture of her weirdly sticking her tongue out. You may want to hide her name from the image...
Oh dear. My post 12 tried to avoid exactly that.
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The WHO recommends that the weight should not exceed 10% of the weight of the kid.
I can't explain, perhaps you need faith in something bigger.
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Re: Starting an initiative (as a foreigner)

As many have already said, you need any person with voting rights to start such initiative.

On a completely separate note, I have to share an experience of my relative, who's son's parents committee were trying to address the similar issue.

Long story short:
0. Kid's backpack weight is parents responsibility. Want it lighter - make it lighter.
1. Get a backpack trolley for your kid (these are allowed to have up to 20% of kid's weight according to the same report). Kids may hate them, but it's not the problem of the school.
2. If the backpack is too heavy, then stop packing any food and drinks, kids can get them at school. The same goes to any toys, gadgets, accessories etc.
3. If you can't get kid's backpack light enough, then don't let your kids have any "fancy" notebooks, folders, pencils etc. They are heavy, just get a plain Notizblock, pen and pencil to save weight.

And 10 more "recommendations", which can be cumulatively expressed as "if you don't like it here, then leave".

Just saying, that you shall be thoughtful with wordings of such initiative to get what you are looking for and to avoid some unintended results.
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Hi all,
The new school year is about to start and I am amazed by the weight our kids must carry to school. The bag with the required books averages 10 Kg!
The WHO recommends that the weight should not exceed 10% of the weight of the kid. 10 Kg is way too much.
I think an initiative, one of these that you see sometimes while driving, should be started to ease this problem. Maybe they could have split books so they bring only parts of the full books or the books could have detachable sheets.
Our kids will all end up with spine problems!
The question is that I have no clue on how one can start one of these initiatives, especially if this can be done by a foreigner.
Anyone?
Couldn't she just use a schoolbag trolley?
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8 Kg in books that, according to her, she is gonna need every day. Plus a laptop and the weight of the bag. That has to be close to 10 Kg.
Kaufmännische Ausgabe, Laptop? How old is your kid, doing an apprenticeship?
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Old 05.08.2021, 20:51
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Kaufmännische Ausgabe, Laptop? How old is your kid, doing an apprenticeship?
If so, (s)he only has to carry it twice a week. That's like weight lifting for free.

Plus the "kid" would be 16. Two more years and s(he)'s an adult.
May I also only carry 10% weight?
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As many have already said, you need any person with voting rights to start such initiative.

On a completely separate note, I have to share an experience of my relative, who's son's parents committee were trying to address the similar issue.

Long story short:
0. Kid's backpack weight is parents responsibility. Want it lighter - make it lighter.
1. Get a backpack trolley for your kid (these are allowed to have up to 20% of kid's weight according to the same report). Kids may hate them, but it's not the problem of the school.
2. If the backpack is too heavy, then stop packing any food and drinks, kids can get them at school. The same goes to any toys, gadgets, accessories etc.
3. If you can't get kid's backpack light enough, then don't let your kids have any "fancy" notebooks, folders, pencils etc. They are heavy, just get a plain Notizblock, pen and pencil to save weight.

And 10 more "recommendations", which can be cumulatively expressed as "if you don't like it here, then leave".

Just saying, that you shall be thoughtful with wordings of such initiative to get what you are looking for and to avoid some unintended results.
I like it here. Can't I contribute to make it better?
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Re: Starting an initiative (as a foreigner)

Have you thought of applying for Swiss citizenship? Your EF join date is May 2009 - you’ve been in CH at least 12 years?
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I like it here. Can't I contribute to make it better?
You sure can, just be careful with wordings of legal initiatives.

Why would anyone groan at neutrally-supportive message,that points out potential pitfalls to avoid them and get what's wanted?
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Old 05.08.2021, 23:14
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Couldn't she just use a schoolbag trolley?
This. Trolleys/ suitcases are wonderful.

E-books are often not user-friendly enough to act as a viable alternative to textbooks. In addition, students generally prefer textbooks to e-books. I agree, however, that books which aren’t needed as homework should stay at school. Teachers do need to minimize the weight when they can.
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I like it here. Can't I contribute to make it better?
Do you realise how much tax money is spent on these initiatives? I certainly don't want it spent on frivolous ones and calling what you are suggesting "frivolous" is me being civil.
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E-books are often not user-friendly enough to act as a viable alternative to textbooks.
Learning how to use ebooks is a life skill that kids will value their entire life.
Perhaps they should include this in the curriculum.

The most valuable thing I learned in school in the ‘70s was how to touch-type. I did it because that’s where the girls were, but it was one of my best decisions.

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Learning how to use ebooks is a life skill that kids will value their entire life.
Perhaps they should include this in the curriculum.

The most valuable thing I learned in school in the ‘70s was how to touch-type. I did it because that’s where the girls were, but it was one of my best decisions.
The thing is that for exams you are usually only allowed to use your books, no electronic devices. So it makes sense to put all your annotations and little page markers in the books, which requires you to have them with you during lessons. This is especially true with the ZGB/OR, mine is heavily worked on with lots of different coloured sticky notes.

If you want to look something up, you need to have put in some work to actually know where you could find it, with an e-book you just use the search function. I also find that writing things by hand helps me remember them much better than if I type them.
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The thing is that for exams you are usually only allowed to use your books, no electronic devices. So it makes sense to put all your annotations and little page markers in the books, which requires you to have them with you during lessons. This is especially true with the ZGB/OR, mine is heavily worked on with lots of different coloured sticky notes.

If you want to look something up, you need to have put in some work to actually know where you could find it, with an e-book you just use the search function. I also find that writing things by hand helps me remember them much better than if I type them.
You can use books during your exams? What's the point of that?
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You can use books during your exams? What's the point of that?
My thought entirely when I first heard of it (which is actually a long time ago )

It explains a lot though.

on the other hand it's not wrong that one doesn't need to know everything but know where to find it. So maybe the exams are on that these days.
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You can use books during your exams? What's the point of that?
It depends on the lecturer, but I was allowed to use the ZGB/OR for my commercial law exams, they don't expect you to learn every paragraph off by heart BUT if you don't have a very good idea of what paragraphs there are, you won't have enough time to finish the exam. So you essentially have to know it by heart but the book lets you check.

Meanwhile, we weren't allowed any books for our tax law or accountancy exams. So it really depends on the teacher/lecturer's personal preference... You would still make notes in the books for study purposes though and e-books are still not really suited to quick handwritten annotations.

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on the other hand it's not wrong that one doesn't need to know everything but know where to find it. So maybe the exams are on that these days.
You still have to be able to apply the information. And don't forget that our grading scale is much stricter than in many other countries, we need all the help we can get in order to reach that 100% perfect score to get the equivalent of an A.
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Surely you don't take all the books for all subjects in each day. My son has a locker at school so books not needed for homework can be left in there, plus stuff like sports shoes.

I've never seen my son carry more than a small backpack to school.
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My thought entirely when I first heard of it (which is actually a long time ago )

It explains a lot though.

on the other hand it's not wrong that one doesn't need to know everything but know where to find it. So maybe the exams are on that these days.
It’s pointless exercise, waste of time learning stuff of by heart to regurgitate it in an exam and never using it again.A lot of 3rd level and some second level countries have open book exam. Life is about been able to find the material you need and what you do with that information.We’re not living in 1964 anymore.
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Surely you don't take all the books for all subjects in each day.
Depends on the canton.

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