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Old 07.08.2021, 12:46
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A lot of people in Switzerland leave high school without qualifications there and go on to apprenticeships (rather than leaving school after exams like GCSEs and A-levels). Not sure it's "worst educated" just different, more vocational.
Probably better educated.

If you do an apprenticeship in Switzerland you attend a school in parallel and don't just learn the stuff you need for your job but also continue to learn normal school topics, including language, maths etc, and continue to do exams in them etc.

If you do an "apprenticeship" in many other countries you get to work on a building site and sometimes keeps an eye on you and shows you what to do.
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Old 07.08.2021, 12:50
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As a high-immigration country our problem is the ignorant immigrants, some don't even know the country's name.
That's not true.

I know the country is called Swedens and the airplane is called Swiss.

I know the city by the lake is called Lausanne in French, Lucerne in German and Locarno in Italics and Lundköpping in Swedenish.

I know where to get brown sugar and I know the poor people lives in the little wooden houses I sees from the train.
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Old 07.08.2021, 13:06
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I know the city by the lake is called Lausanne in French, Lucerne in German and Locarno in Italics ......


You got a point there. I'm surprised I was never confronted with this logic by my clients.
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Old 07.08.2021, 14:47
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I got told recently that Swiss people among the worst educated in Europe, is this true? I don't mean the quality of education of top 1% but overall population in general.
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A good friend of mine who lives in Germany said that. I'm just trying to understand if it's true and why
https://www.weforum.org/agenda/2021/...countries-top/

https://www.imd.org/centers/world-co...mpetitiveness/

It's time to find some new friends. I'd suggest some Swiss ones who were educated in Switzerland. They should be able to use a search engine too.
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I am a bit disappointed - you got it right in the Amazon thread! Looks like it was just one of your rare "mistakes"
Check the thread title.

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Old 07.08.2021, 15:42
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... good friend of mine who lives in Germany said that. I'm just trying to understand if it's true and why
Since it's the statement of the friend who lives in Germany, perhaps ask that friend for the basis of the assertion.
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Old 07.08.2021, 21:56
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What is GCSE or A levels ? Seems like random words to me
An educated person would either know that or be smart enough to find out.
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Old 07.08.2021, 22:12
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Re: Level of education in Switzerland

Hey - let's be positive. OP got the country name right.
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Old 07.08.2021, 23:04
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Re: Level of education in Switzerland

I still laugh to myself about the time I went to the English bookstore in central Zurich, not long after I moved here, and asked if they were hiring. The woman replied by asking me if I have a degree in book-selling.

And she wasn't kidding.
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I still laugh to myself about the time I went to the English bookstore in central Zurich, not long after I moved here, and asked if they were hiring. The woman replied by asking me if I have a degree in book-selling.

And she wasn't kidding.
I'm not sure a specific degree in book selling actually exists within Switzerland (or anywhere else?), so she was likely pulling your leg with a very straight face.
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Old 07.08.2021, 23:18
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I'm not sure a specific degree in book selling actually exists within Switzerland (or anywhere else?), so she was likely pulling your leg with a very straight face.
No, she actually was serious. I laughed when she said it and asked if she was joking, and she said that she wasn't joking. But I know, it was really bizarre.

It was at the Orell Fussli English bookstore in central Zurich, near Bahnhofstrasse. I was in the middle of making my purchase when I asked.
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No, she actually was serious. I laughed when she said it and asked if she was joking, and she said that she wasn't joking. But I know, it was really bizarre.

It was at the Orell Fussli English bookstore in central Zurich, near Bahnhofstrasse. I was in the middle of making my purchase when I asked.
There is no 'book selling degree'...
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There is no 'book selling degree'...
But there is an apprenticeship for it
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But there is an apprenticeship for it
Ahh, an apprenticeship. But seriously, 3 years to learn how to sell books to qualify to work in a mainstream retail store like Orel Fussli? Ridiculous.
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Ahh, an apprenticeship. But seriously, 3 years to learn how to sell books to qualify to work in a mainstream retail store like Orel Fussli? Ridiculous.
I do appreciate being able to get professional and knowledgeable advice from staff.
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Ahh, an apprenticeship. But seriously, 3 years to learn how to sell books to qualify to work in a mainstream retail store like Orel Fussli? Ridiculous.
The apprenticeship involves economics, German, English, social studies, math, accounting, as well as retail. The kids leave school at 15/16 so a wider curriculum is still being offered to enhance their general learning and knowledge of the trade.

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I suppose the question is how many folk in CH who are "Swiss" have a bachelors degree or higher.

I believe the %age is lower than other countries in comparison. BUT having completed a lehr open several doors allowing those to go on get a degree if they choose to.

its not a bad way and gives people a chance to try various options rather than in the UK where after 16 you're finished with a GCSEs which are worthless, except for going on to do a-levels.

choices in CH are a lot more valuable and give teenagers jobs and expirence
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I suppose the question is how many folk in CH who are "Swiss" have a bachelors degree or higher.

I believe the %age is lower than other countries in comparison. BUT having completed a lehr open several doors allowing those to go on get a degree if they choose to.

its not a bad way and gives people a chance to try various options rather than in the UK where after 16 you're finished with a GCSEs which are worthless, except for going on to do a-levels.

choices in CH are a lot more valuable and give teenagers jobs and expirence
Thanks, I think that answers my question!
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But there is an apprenticeship for it
Indeed… and that is why there are excellent carpenters, plumbers, joiners, electricians and mechanics etc etc in Switzerland.

I was in Schwyz yesterday and there are bakeries there that would merit a four page spread in the Observer Food magazine if they were in the UK.
The level of craftsmanship in most professions is generally outstanding in Switzerland and having been involved in both GB and CH in the World Skills I am convinced that the apprenticeship system is the main reason why Switzerland is usually rated among the top countries.
https://www.swiss-skills.ch/team/ranglisten/

‘Intellectuals’ may sneer but imho a master craftsman/person in a practical profession is at least the equal of an alphabet title.
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The level of craftsmanship in most professions is generally outstanding in Switzerland and having been involved in both GB and CH in the World Skills I am convinced that the apprenticeship system is the main reason why Switzerland is usually rated among the top countries.
That's not true unfortunately.

My kitchen got redone recently by what seems to be a reputable company from CH 6964.

Average job, doors do not line up, had to call to fix leaking plumbing next day, some stuff not completed as they realized they are missing materials.

It's too early to say ofc, but I don't see anything spectacular in Switzerland craftsmanship so far. It's at about the same level as Polish builders or Ukrainian plumbers in the UK.
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