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Level of education in Switzerland

I got told recently that Swiss people among the worst educated in Europe, is this true? I don't mean the quality of education of top 1% but overall population in general.
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Re: Level of education in Switzerland

Most of them speak several languages, all of them speak German besides Swissgerman and they are known to learn the language of the country they emigrate to when they do.
So compare.
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Most of them speak several languages, all of them speak German besides Swissgerman and they are known to learn the language of the country they emigrate to when they do.
So compare.
I didn't mean languages.

It's a not a troll question. I good friend of mine who lives in Germany said that. I'm just trying to understand if it's true and why
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I didn't mean languages.

It's a not a troll question. I good friend of mine who lives in Germany said that. I'm just trying to understand if it's true and why
A lot of people in Switzerland leave high school without qualifications there and go on to apprenticeships (rather than leaving school after exams like GCSEs and A-levels). Not sure it's "worst educated" just different, more vocational.
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A lot of people in Switzerland leave high school without qualifications there and go on to apprenticeships (rather than leaving school after exams like GCSEs and A-levels). Not sure it's "worst educated" just different, more vocational.
What is GCSE or A levels ? Seems like random words to me
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What is GCSE or A levels ? Seems like random words to me
An educated person would either know that or be smart enough to find out.
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What is GCSE or A levels ? Seems like random words to me
AFAIK, GCSE is the European General Certificate of Secondary Education, lower than the IB which is done in the higher Classes. I studied in Madrid International School for a few Years and I made there my GCSE.
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A lot of people in Switzerland leave high school without qualifications there and go on to apprenticeships (rather than leaving school after exams like GCSEs and A-levels). Not sure it's "worst educated" just different, more vocational.
Probably better educated.

If you do an apprenticeship in Switzerland you attend a school in parallel and don't just learn the stuff you need for your job but also continue to learn normal school topics, including language, maths etc, and continue to do exams in them etc.

If you do an "apprenticeship" in many other countries you get to work on a building site and sometimes keeps an eye on you and shows you what to do.
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I got told recently that Swiss people among the worst educated in Europe, is this true? I don't mean the quality of education of top 1% but overall population in general.
As a high-immigration country our problem is the ignorant immigrants, some don't even know the country's name.
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As a high-immigration country our problem is the ignorant immigrants, some don't even know the country's name.
Surely if "our" people cared to read the history, they would understand that swiss had been called Swiss for centuries. Ignorance is bad.

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Surely if "our" people cared to read the history, they would understand that swiss had been called Swiss for centuries. Ignorance is bad.
Generally, it is indeed. It seems unlikely to change all that much in your case though.
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Surely if "our" people cared to read the history, they would understand that swiss had been called Swiss for centuries. Ignorance is bad.
Who calls it Swiss?

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Surely if "our" people cared to read the history, they would understand that swiss had been called Swiss for centuries. Ignorance is bad.
I am a bit disappointed - you got it right in the Amazon thread! Looks like it was just one of your rare "mistakes"
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As a high-immigration country our problem is the ignorant immigrants, some don't even know the country's name.
That's not true.

I know the country is called Swedens and the airplane is called Swiss.

I know the city by the lake is called Lausanne in French, Lucerne in German and Locarno in Italics and Lundköpping in Swedenish.

I know where to get brown sugar and I know the poor people lives in the little wooden houses I sees from the train.
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I know the city by the lake is called Lausanne in French, Lucerne in German and Locarno in Italics ......


You got a point there. I'm surprised I was never confronted with this logic by my clients.
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As a high-immigration country our problem is the ignorant immigrants, some don't even know the country's name.
So true, I hear “Swiss " being used constantly instead of Switzerland !!! Most of them speak reasonably good English…
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So true, I hear “Swiss " being used constantly instead of Switzerland !!! Most of them speak reasonably good English…
In what country is English spoken? British Airways?
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As a high-immigration country our problem is the ignorant immigrants, some don't even know the country's name.
I have an Australian friend who used to ask me how I was enjoying Swaziland. After years of correcting her, she finally understood that I wasn't living in Africa, that I was in fact living in Europe.

Thereafter, she would ask me how I was enjoying Sweden.

I gave up correcting her.

A few years ago, she and her family relocated to Switzerland. I'm hoping she has finally learnt the name of the country!

But back to the topic of the thread, I wouldn't say that the level of education in Switzerland is lower than in other countries, but it is true that the Swiss do not push for higher education for their kids, which means that there is less pressure here for kids to aim high academically. This has pros and cons.
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But back to the topic of the thread, I wouldn't say that the level of education in Switzerland is lower than in other countries, but it is true that the Swiss do not push for higher education for their kids, which means that there is less pressure here for kids to aim high academically. This has pros and cons.
well, compared to the Polish obsession with higher education this does make sense.

I will elaborate on the obsession - there is this cliche that no higher education means you are a nobody, you will never achieve anything and so on (to which i disagree) So parents are often obsessed with the fact that their kid should finish any studies. Literally. Private universities that teach you nothing are a plague.

Meanwhile a skilled carpenter or a renovation expert is hard to find and those that are good have schedules filled for the next 2 years just for laying tiles in the bathrooms.

Also there is a high chance that the staff at local macdonalds all hold a master title in something.
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But back to the topic of the thread, I wouldn't say that the level of education in Switzerland is lower than in other countries, but it is true that the Swiss do not push for higher education for their kids, which means that there is less pressure here for kids to aim high academically. This has pros and cons.
The problem with that is, the bigger the percentage of the population who gets some form of "higher education" the less it's worth. The anglo-american world has solved this by establishing Ivy League unis and Oxbridge on the one, and worthless college and uni certificates on the other end.

The EU approach with their aim to get at least half an academic degree is just more of the same idiocy.

It would be less wasteful, and probably much more productive, to set reasonable limits instead, like 25% Matura quota (whatever the equivalent abroad my be), and downgrade foreign certificates accordingly. It is undeniable that only half the population can be above average (with a bell-curve distribution).
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