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Depends where you live and the house rules. I have a house. On your list the only things we don't do is cut the grass on a Sunday.

Living in a an apartment block, you can put trash in a communal bin on a Sunday, but you can't do your recycling. You can flush the toilet at any time, day or night if not everywhere then most places. There may be a request in the house rules to try to minimise it, but it's a matter of hygiene.

You often cannot wash your car outside of designated car wash areas. That's local or possibly cantonal law.

You cannot disturb your neighbours with noise between 10pm and 7am. (Hours vary), and between 12 and 1:30 or 2 during weekdays.

There are often family shops that open long hours on a Sunday. Around international railways stations, motorway services and airports shops are open Sundays.
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Old 09.08.2021, 09:25
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Living in a an apartment block, you can put trash in a communal bin on a Sunday.
We haven't had communal bins in over 20 years!

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In our commune we can use a manual mower on a Sunday.

The Migros at Geneva Airport is open Sundays. There are quite a few Coop Pronto shops around La CŰte also open on Sundays.
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I have been lucky enough to live in my own house for the kargest part of my years in CH. It used to be the case in many Gemeindes that the electricity to washing machines/tumblers was turned off over the lunchtime period. I have no idea technically how this was possible, but there was no way round it. I tried plugging my machines in to different plugs in my cellar and even tried plugging the machines into the kitchen plugs on very long extension leads, as I assumed that as a good Swiss housewife I was supposed to have been in the kitchen cooking, but nothing beat the system. Luckily this practice stopped a few years ago. I assume it doesn't happen anywhere in CH now.

Last year we received an official letter from the Gemeinde telling us that a branch of budldleia at the back of our garden had been broken in a storm and was now bending over a little public pathway. We were given a deadline by which to cut it off. We had not seen it as the garden is elevated and unless we had used the path it wasn't visible to us. My husband went down, cut the offending branch and then wondered why it was even there in the first place as we had not planted it. It had come from a neighbour's garden. It is the type of plant that roots itself. Ironically the person who had reported us was actually said neighbour whose buddleia had invaded our garden! To be bothered to contact the Gemeinde and waste public money in having soneone come up and inspect the back of our garden to establish if the complaint was valid in the first place and then have them come again to check the work was done rather than ringing our bell, or even pulling the branch out themselves is staggering to me.
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So number 1 (no laundry and car washing on a Sunday) surprised me. I know shops are closed... but no laundry at home?
And 13? Really? No toilet flushing? Private homes is this okay? New buildings?
And 14? No trash on a Sunday?
We live in an apartment with its own washing machine, and communal machines, we wash our clothes on a Sunday. Flushing a toilet is a non-issue.

We donít wash cars outside. I donít know where waste water drains to.

Some shops open on Sundays, such as the supermarket at the airport and some shops at the train station, and pharmacies, coffee shops.

Geneva does not operate the paid-for rubbish sacks used by other cantons. In our commune, there are recycling points every few streets, outside peopleís homes, and there are set times that dropping off rubbish and recycling are permitted.

Iím ok with rules that help people show respect towards the needs and rights of others.
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I think one needs to take these "Rules" on a limited "Story" basis...

Yes not working in the Garden on a Sunday makes sense for Switzerland, but Toilett Flushing, Shower ect.... I have also seen it on German Rent Contracts, also there it is just for the Protokoll.

Has anyone seriously heard about People not flushing the Toilette after 22?

It is nice to have quiet and Rules, but common sense is also a healthy feature of Life.
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#2 is horsemanure, THC is still illegal.

Grownups will be fined, rather than dragged before the courts, for minor stuff like getting caught smoking a joint. Possession of up 10g won't be prosecuted (no fine, the marijuana not confiscated) but that doesn't make it legal. And if they're caught smoking some however much they have on them will be confiscated.

The drugs minors have on them will be confiscated regardless of amount and situation.

This will change soon-ish for medical marijuana, the law has passed the federal parliament this spring and the details are being worked out, it's not effective yet. Non-medical THC will remain illegal even after the new law has come into effect.
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We live in an apartment with its own washing machine, and communal machines, we wash our clothes on a Sunday. Flushing a toilet is a non-issue.

We donít wash cars outside. I donít know where waste water drains to.

Some shops open on Sundays, such as the supermarket at the airport and some shops at the train station, and pharmacies, coffee shops.

Geneva does not operate the paid-for rubbish sacks used by other cantons. In our commune, there are recycling points every few streets, outside peopleís homes, and there are set times that dropping off rubbish and recycling are permitted.

Iím ok with rules that help people show respect towards the needs and rights of others.
Lucky you about Recycling. Coming from Germany, I am used to having in the Building several different Bins for Papers&Kartons, normal Waste, Plastic and Glass Bins on the Street.

Now here it is such disappointing... We have Recycling Centres where you bring there basically everything except normal Waste, and this is so annoying... so we gather at Home everything and then looks like everybody here we go every few Days and drop it there. Some is free some costs. For example Wood, you actually need to pay by the Kilo.... I discovered it when I asked where to put an old Ikea Chair that was broken, I had to pay 5 Chf, so I decided to keep in the Basement 2 old Kids Beds I wanted to throw and look someone who would like it for free. I actually had an interesting Chat with the Boss there and asked why do we pay for Wood if they actually process and sells it forward, after some long Seconds he just said, no idea, einfach so....
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In reading this... am I to understand that people call the police on others rather than talking to neighbors?

I'd never think to reach for the phone first, but would rather consult the neighbor politely the next day (if not too bad), or knock at their door if it got late and the music/party was really still too loud and ongoing.

https://www.ch.ch/en/noise-disturban...ms-neighbours/
Yes, this is typical Swiss behavior. Generally speaking, locals here are too afraid to confront others directly, so they find covert ways of making sure their grievances are heard. Even in everyday situations, be prepared for a lot of beating around the bush, especially when there's a disagreement; nobody does passive agression quite like the Swiss.
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Yes not working in the Garden on a Sunday makes sense for Switzerland, but Toilett Flushing, Shower ect.... I have also seen it on German Rent Contracts, also there it is just for the Protokoll.
There are no rules about not working in the Garden on a Sunday.

There are rules about not making too much noise on a Sunday.
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So much depends on your neighbours - things that are Verboten! in one neighbourhood might be well tolerated in others.

For instance, I may not hang laundry out any day of the week. At least not that the neighbours can see. Doing so on a Sunday would likely be a deportable offence. I can, however, run my washing machine (when the damn thing works, that is) 24/7, as I live in a house and no one is the wiser.

No lawn mowing on Sundays, not even a push mower. That will get you shot, then deported. I can quietly work in the garden, and must, because the emergence of a weed will send the Geraniumpolizei running for their post-it notes regardless of the day. But no power tools. And so on a nice sunny sSunday I discretely work, while waving to the farmer behind me running his big ol' noisy manure spreader.

And around here it's not just Sundays. No power tools or similar noise before 8, between 9-9:30, between 12:00-14:00, and after 17:00. Official quiet times, as in whisper when you are outside, are 22:00-07:00, though.

One other thing to be prepared for:

If I need work done around the house, most tradesmen start at 7am, but noise is not allowed until after 8. So I pay the workmen for the first hour even though they can't work.

All this is of course a whole lotta YMMV. It all boils down to what is the norm in your building or neighbourhood. And how thick your skin is. The neighborhood enforcer with post-it pad on hand and the police on speed dial is also the gentleman who most often disregards noise etiquette himself. One rule for me, another for thee.


TL;DR - just be discreet, outwardly respectful, and live your life.
It always shocks and saddens me when I read your posts like this one. We only live 2 villages apart and where we live couldn't be more different. Don't get me wrong, we have our own issues with our co-owners about the future of the condominium (repair works, installing a lift etc), but the pettiness where you live would drive me crazy.
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The laundry thing depends - I previously lived in an apartment building that was part commercial, we had an eye doctor, graphic designers, shoe shop and jewellers sharing the premises with us. Washing on a Sunday was fine as all that was above the basement was our big entrance hallway, the lifts and the post boxes. I lived next door to the caretaker who said it was also ok to wash after 9pm at night, but I just used to stick to the Friday morning slot I'd booked out.

I now live in an apartment with its own washer and dryer, also a basement drying room. I choose not to wash or do housework at weekends because that's time for me and my husband. I also don't put the washing machine on at lunchtime out of respect for others, most of whom are still WFH at the moment.

I actually like living in a country that only has essential shops open on Sundays, it reminds me of how in Britain Sunday was a family day until we got major malls being permitted to open in the early 90s. It then just became about worshipping at the shrine of retail for a lot of people and I far prefer to wander around a nice exhibition. I also actually like window shopping for all the things I'll never be able to afford, it's nice to look and dream
Having worked in retail in the mid 90s when I was a mature student and again back in 2003, I always hated being asked to work Sundays and I think in the current circumstances supermarket workers have done us proud this past year or so, they deserve their day off.
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So number 1 (no laundry and car washing on a Sunday) surprised me. I know shops are closed... but no laundry at home?
And 13? Really? No toilet flushing? Private homes is this okay? New buildings?
And 14? No trash on a Sunday?

I also recognize that the internet is full of hyperbole and exaggeration... but are any of these true?

https://www.destinationtips.com/dest...switzerland/1/

It's just clickbait, designed to generate income, through eliciting views, inspiring extreme headlines, and people posting backlinks to it on social media.



I see people often washing their car on a Sunday, putting their stuff in the recycling banks, hanging-out washing, and gardening. Most people I know wash clothes whenever they want to, inclusive of Sundays (I can only think of 2 people who live in buildings with a wash plan). Loads of shops are open on Sundays. Never heard of anyone being unable to flush their toilet, even in the strictest of buildings. Never heard of anyone commenting on the closing of car doors. People put runnish bags out on the street whenever they like here - they stay there til the next collection.
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There was a wash plan at the first place my OH rented in Kleinbasel. He was allocated one whole day a fortnight on a Wednesday. I used to do his laundry when I came across from Scotland to visit if it was his day, I was usually finished by about 4pm and I'd get neighbours asking if it was ok to use the rest of his time which was fine by me. I like being neighbourly
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Even in everyday situations, be prepared for a lot of beating around the bush, especially when there's a disagreement; nobody does passive agression quite like the Swiss.
I'm really curious to see how they stack up to the Japanese, regarding PA, to be honest!
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I don't see passive aggression being more dominant than any other means of handling things.


I see a lot more interfering and commenting on things directly, that I think is unnecessary.


Someone was hanging over a balcony earlier telling those below to move their bikes, that they aren't allowed to put bikes there, that they'll call the police...


Someone was yesterday telling someone to move their bike, as they wanted to water flowers, that it wasn't ok to leave a bike there... The bike's owner told them they'd only be in the building for a couple of min's, then they'd be leaving. The moaner couldn't tolerate that, and moved their bike whilst they were (max 2 min's) inside of the building.


I find such examples to be petty and corrosive.
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Donít see very much of that in our rural, small, village. If anything they are too laid back.
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"Someone was hanging over a balcony earlier telling those below to move their bikes, that they aren't allowed to put bikes there, that they'll call the police..."

We had no option but to report someone for leaving 2 motorbikes in the enclosed courtyard for weeks on end, he was also leaving a motorbike in the hallway and running a cable down to the basement to charge the battery. Other residents left notices stuck on the main doors to say they'd report him (our leases state the CY is not for motorbikes or pedal bikes, also no animals like dogs out there). The landlord dealt with him, he was told if he didn't move them then the police would and the fire brigade would be along as well as the petrol tanks were a hazard.

I've also reported a guy for exercising his huge dog out there (I was getting rubber balls bouncing off my French doors and the dog was destroying the plants). Ignorant little creep came to my door and put the dog between me and him, he got a fright when he realised you do not try to intimidate or mess with a feisty auld Scotswoman. He went off saying "ok, I guess we'll just have to disagree then" like a child with a slapped backside
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