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Wind your neck in, you are being ridiculously dramatic and the verbosity doesn't help.
Thank you for your comment.

I know what verbosity means in my Language.

But I still do not understand what you mean.

In the EF I am happy to see people can write about any experience they have had here.
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Have you gone to the gemeinde to ask about the private security guys?

Did you get a rule book from the gemeinde (this should be part of your welcome package)?
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Seriously. And people said that people here are nice, go figure.
In my 10 years here I can count unpleasant encounters on one hand and these have been generally things I can laugh off, like being asked not to use a playground belonging to a specific building.

I have found the Swiss people to be incredibly welcoming, amazingly accommodating to my daughter in shops and restaurants etc. In return I follow any rules, guidance and cultural norms. I feel extremely privileged to be here, but perhaps I'm just a 'poshy'

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In the now 10 years I lived in Switzerland, I never felt I had to obey to ridiculous rules. I have lived my life freely as I would have in any other place. Of course I try to behave in a respectful and responsible way, trying to treat people like I would like to be treated myself. Never had any problems, and in the rare occasion that some hypertonic with a red face* feels annoyed, I politely smile, don't speak my mind and go my way.

* of those, way more in Germany than here
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Did you get a rule book from the gemeinde (this should be part of your welcome package)?
Cannot decide if this comment is serious or not
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Yes, each Country has different people. I just do not understand this going against the Wall attitude. Rules are nice to have, no need to be extreme, never good in Life in any area of Life.
Tom - 1st of all, I think it is good to share your frustration here even if it is just to offload your attitude. People will give you all sorts of points of view, that is what comes with communication online. So, I hope you were able to figure out what happened and why and that our community could help.

I will give you my point of view, too, you might not like it but take me, an internet stranger, with a grain of salt. Your "no need to be extreme with the rules" counts on you deciding what is and isn't extreme in Lachen. Your "extreme" sounds "perfectly reasonable" for others. That's the key info.

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How many times will she have to smooth out these kinds of conflicts...I am starting to feel her fatigue.
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Have you gone to the gemeinde to ask about the private security guys?

Did you get a rule book from the gemeinde (this should be part of your welcome package)?
Hemm, cynical?

No, we did not get any Welcome Package when we did the Anmeldung.

Never heard about it.

I will definitely go to the Gemeinde and ask about the Guard.
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Hemm, cynical?

No, we did not get any Welcome Package when we did the Anmeldung.

Never heard about it.

I will definitely go to the Gemeinde and ask about the Guard.
Make sure to tell them also how ridiculous their recycling system is

Seriously, let go, enjoy the lake and the sunshine.
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Tom - 1st of all, I think it is good to share your frustration here even if it is just to offload your attitude. People will give you all sorts of points of view, that is what comes with communication online. So, I hope you were able to figure out what happened and why and that our community could help.

I will give you my point of view, too, you might not like it but take me, an internet stranger with a grain of salt. Your "no need to be extreme with the rules" counts on you deciding what is and isn't extreme in Lachen. Your "extreme" sounds "perfectly reasonable" for others. That's the key info.



How many times will she have to smooth out these kinds of conflicts...I am starting to feel her fatigue.
I am considered a Person that is easy to make Contacts with, easy to make Friends and easy to blend in to different situations, as -i proved by living in different Countries so far.

Actually, in West Germany I built, led and am still the Head of a non-political and non-Religious Cultural Community, with diverse people from different Backgrounds, which I may not personally agree with all, but as the main Voter of the Board there I decided that we try to adjust to the different Families way of Religion and so on, and it works fine, as long nobody is trying to enforce their "rule" on all others.

And if I may add, in each Country there are lots of disagreements amongst foreigners about the local Mentality,

Hell, in Germany we Foreigners have about 50 FB Groups where people share discuss and complain about daily life (or about the Germans).

What is interesting there - you get diverse ideas and Comments. What is quite strange for me here, in the EF and also in other Groups Online - that the majority say - ye, well, these are the Rules einfach so ur the problematic one.

Why is it like that? What makes u all feel that way?

Do you know how great is is when Foreigners bring their different Cultures and Mentality and experience? It is like in Multi Culti Companies - it really creates a more balanced atmosphere.
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What is interesting there - you get diverse ideas and Comments. What is quite strange for me here, in the EF and also in other Groups Online - that the majority say - ye, well, these are the Rules einfach so ur the problematic one.

Why is it like that? What makes u all feel that way?

Do you know how great is is when Foreigners bring their different Cultures and Mentality and experience? It is like in Multi Culti Companies - it really creates a more balanced atmosphere.
When I came here back in the 80s, I was shocked at the school system's lunch program (non-existent), opening hours (closed from Sat afternoon - Tuesday morning) and all the religious holidays. I was also surprised at the relaxed way people viewed alcohol and the amount of festivals going on. Now, that was fun.

Thank goodness, shops are open longer, schools now provide lunch but we still have all those religious holidays without pressure to attend church.

Switzerland is a small country and people live close together. Noise is an issue that causes frustration so rules were created. Some places are more relaxed regarding rules while others are stricter.

To be honest, I too would have been surprised at how fast security came but I certainly wouldn't have taken it personally. These things happen.

As MusicChick mentioned, listen to your wife and accept the situation. Some people (both Swiss and foreigners) have a hard time living with all these rules so they move away. What I've discovered is that the grass isn't usually greener on the other side of the fence. Where you may have more freedom in one aspect, you may have less in another.

Good luck on finding out and remember, you've got a family to think about too.
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Re: Bad experience today at 2201,or,seriously???

I don't see how this issue is remotely about being a "foreigner".

If there are opening hours for a public / municipal football park that's how it is. It doesn't matter if there are 20 kids playing there shouting or if you're just sitting there alone. Same rules for everyone.

And it doesn't matter if it's 22:01 or 23:00, maybe the security guard just starts his round there.
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Our property backs onto a junior school with a ping-pong table and basketball court. Great potential for noise.

There are clear signs at the entrances stating that the area is closed from 21.00 Monday to Friday and 19.00 at weekends. Also that it opens at 11.00 on Sundays.

There is also a reminder of the Mittagsruhezeit (midday quiet time) of 12.00 to 13.00.

All times are observed and enforced if not.

I love Switzerland...
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<<....we do not even operate the Dish Washer after 20>>
That's a mistake. At 20.00h the electricity gets cheap (night tariff).
Not here, same price 24/7

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I am considered a Person that is easy to make Contacts with, easy to make Friends and easy to blend in to different situations, as -i proved by living in different Countries so far.

Actually, in West Germany I built, led and am still the Head of a non-political and non-Religious Cultural Community, with diverse people from different Backgrounds, which I may not personally agree with all, but as the main Voter of the Board there I decided that we try to adjust to the different Families way of Religion and so on, and it works fine, as long nobody is trying to enforce their "rule" on all others.

And if I may add, in each Country there are lots of disagreements amongst foreigners about the local Mentality,

Hell, in Germany we Foreigners have about 50 FB Groups where people share discuss and complain about daily life (or about the Germans).

What is interesting there - you get diverse ideas and Comments. What is quite strange for me here, in the EF and also in other Groups Online - that the majority say - ye, well, these are the Rules einfach so ur the problematic one.

Why is it like that? What makes u all feel that way?

Do you know how great is is when Foreigners bring their different Cultures and Mentality and experience? It is like in Multi Culti Companies - it really creates a more balanced atmosphere.
Where the level of noise dies out at 17.00 and where people go home to their private and quiet places and recharge for another beehive work day. Which is probably who would call the bouncer on ya. Because other people have been causing a riot before you. It is quite logical.

I am from a place where work days start at 7am and finish early, where massive amounts of people quietly live in tiny spaces. Wish it wasn't that way but it does make people learn to co-live, respectfully.

Multi-culti does not mean forcing all people put up with unreasonable behavior of a few. Diversity means you give a little, take a little. Every day.
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Lachen has some Poshy People with Porsche.
Porsches are not Poshy people cars, I use one for commuting!

Also around here, parks close at 10PM.

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Cannot decide if this comment is serious or not
Not joking.

I've moved a few times and everytime I got a welcome package with various items, usually the trash and recycling timetable and emergency numbers, and one of them even gave a gentle reminder to clean up after your pets.

If the gemeinde is unusually strict and expects people to behave, then would it be surprising that they provide at least some sort of guidance?
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In my 10 years here I can count unpleasant encounters on one hand and these have been generally things I can laugh off, like being asked not to use a playground belonging to a specific building.

I have found the Swiss people to be incredibly welcoming, amazingly accommodating to my daughter in shops and restaurants etc. In return I follow any rules, guidance and cultural norms. I feel extremely privileged to be here, but perhaps I'm just a 'poshy'

'Guten Abend and Lassen Sie mich bitte versuchen zu verstehen'

Ganz einfach. Um 10 Uhr ist schluss
Thank you for the Comment.

So I guess it may be a Mentality differene, as where I come from you are raised to always question, yes also in Kita, in School and later in Military. And like i did, I obeyed, but then I question.

It is actually a good thing, questioning brings new ideas, innovation.. BTW - 22 and Schluss. Would u also say that if it was 20 and Schluss.

But I get your point, u say - just suck it up. I respect this thought, it works for many people.
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BTW - 22 and Schluss. Would u also say that if it was 20 and Schluss.
Yes.

If you don't like the rules, start a petition to change them.

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Near my house in London, there was a play area. The rules were posted on the gate: no food or drink, no ball playing, no littering, no adults unless accompanied by children, play area not to be used after 9pm etc. etc.

I never saw anybody there under the age of about 13. Nor did I ever see a security guard. It was very well used though. A veritable social hub. You could get pretty much any drug you wanted there, but the hours between about 11pm and 4am seemed to be favourite. There was even free music to enjoy!

Different country, different rules and customs, eh?

Here in Switzerland, I have to contend with a neighbour's son who likes playing his Schwyzerörgeli out on the patio, sometimes for hours. Swiss folk music is probably my least favourite and it is grating, especially since I can still hear it with the windows closed.

Of course I could go and speak to the neighbours and ask them politely to put a stop to it. I haven't done that and I never will, nor will I whinge to anybody else. You see, the thing is this: the young man, who is 24 now, fell ill with a very serious neurological disorder when he was 18, and all his hopes and dreams came to a grinding halt. He is often either hospitalised, often for months, or in a wheel chair. He's unlikely to ever get better. Sometimes he can't feed himself so when I hear him play (and he plays well - never heard a wrong note), I choose to see it as a positive. Making music makes him happy. It also makes his family happy and gives them some respite. It's not all about me.

It'd be good if you could find a way not to take everything so personally. It's early days, and you have a family. There will be issues with your kids at school and there will be rules and customs you don't understand and you'll hate. Once you find a job (probably not easy for you) there will be more of the same, and having to deal with strange rules and customs might even be a daily occurrence.

I suggest you take stock of what you do like here, of what's good for your family and gain a little perspective. It'll make it easier to live with those pesky Swiss.

And, just to go back to living in London, one of my sons was robbed on his way home from school on multiple occasions. Fortunately, he was just robbed at knife point. My other son, on the other hand, was robbed at knife point and at gun point. He did come across a very understanding robber once though. As he handed his phone over when asked, the robber kindly said "Na fam, you can keep that", when he saw that the phone was a pay-as-you go, worth £20 when new. Nothing like this is likely to happen to your kids. Be grateful and pay the price.

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Not joking.

I've moved a few times and everytime I got a welcome package with various items, usually the trash and recycling timetable and emergency numbers, and one of them even gave a gentle reminder to clean up after your pets.

If the gemeinde is unusually strict and expects people to behave, then would it be surprising that they provide at least some sort of guidance?
I've lived in several different places and the only welcome pack I've got has been the bill for registering
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