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Bad experience today at 2201,or,seriously???

Let me start, my Wife is Swiss, it is not like I landed with a UFO.

As we just moved to Lachen SZ from Germany, a Friend of my Son (8.5) came to visit us from Germany. Quite used to be outside with the Kids and play until late, especially during No School Vacations (Life, u know), they asked to go down the Grass / Football Field beside one of the Schools. Oh well, I did not think we are doing something bad.

We arrived 2155, I was just sitting there looking at them, I had the Ball with me, they were just standing and talking, 2 8.5 Boys talking about stuff Kids talk. To me looks just another normal scene of Life.

Hell no.

at 22:02 came a Car and a Guard (I assume from the local Securitas Company or what so ever) told me it is not allowed to be in Sport and other public places after 2200...

So after I took a deep breath, said politely Guten Abend and Lassen Sie mich bitte versuchen zu verstehen, was hier vor sich geht ... I realised that someone called them up to say that there are Kids (they did not see me apparently) outside where they should not be...

So I tried to be very polite even I was quite mad and said, look, (Sie) I am sitting here doing nothing and 2 small Kids are talking about School and Nintendo.... Is this damaging the Life here? So then he started to be nicer and asked where we are from, I said Germany and he was laughing and said well, here is not Germany, not only we have this Rule of 2200,but also u need to keep 200 m quiet from Residential Buildings...

I said ye, thanks for info, but here there are so many small places like Lachen, how can one keep this 200 rule? then we both said "einfach so...) and I realised oh boy, what is wrong with the people here?

Obviously - nothing about this Guy that is just doing his job to obey strange rules because of stupid people...He toldme that now it is quiet in Lachen, before they enforced this Law they have on Weekends 350 Calls !! at the Evenings... Go figure how from about 8000 Citizens ( I assume around 3000 House Holds in total? you actually get such a Number of Calls?

So what is the deal here? then when we walked Home we passed through Restaurants and Bars with a lot of noise from the people sitting there (I find it beautiful that it is like that) but for sure not 200m as there are Flats above.

And why do I care so much?

Cause now my Son got really scared and first thought this is the Police and now is worried about it. Great Welcoming from the good people of Lachen. Thumbs up !

Just to be clear, In our Flat we will not make noise at Evening (after 20), for sure we will not Drill or hang a Nail like others do, we do not even operate the Dish Washer after 20, but what gives? Why are people so anti people / telling about / so egoistic and basically act stupid?

And please, I really try to understand, telling me "just accept the Rules" does not help, we know where just accepting Rules can take Life...
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Old 12.08.2021, 23:26
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Re: Bad experience today at 2201,or,seriously???

This one is easy:

There are some places that attract bored groups of kids after 22.00. They sometimes cause noise created through drinking, etc, leave litter and damage the area. It happens in many places.

Lachen has money to ensure quality, which is why they can afford a security guard.

This has nothing to do with so don't make it personal. Lachen is for richer expats who want cleanliness, safety and quiet. You obviously make enough money to live there which is a privilege, but it also means you need to follow the rules.

It sounds like security was trying to be friendly with you. Your attitude is important here. If you're annoyed with the rules, your son may take on the same attitude. Instead, just explain to him what happened and that Lachen (and Switzerland) may have more rules than his hometown in Germany.

If you can't accept those rules, this is not the place for you.

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And please, I really try to understand, telling me "just accept the Rules" does not help, we know where just accepting Rules can take Life...


If you're talking about Nazi Germany, then you haven't really understood the motivation behind the regime and to link what happened to you with those targeted by Hitler is just mind boggling.

Edit: The security guard would have stopped anyone, no matter their origin. Making this an issue about "foreigners" is wrong and misleading.
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<<.... told me it is not allowed to be in Sport and other public places after 2200...>>
, Lachen definitely is peculiar. Note to self: Never move to Lachen.

<<.... but what gives? Why are people so anti people / telling about / so egoistic and basically act stupid?>>
oh wow, you're asking a life-question here. Surely it's not the first time you do?
Should I ever find the answer to that I will post again here.

<<....we do not even operate the Dish Washer after 20>>
That's a mistake. At 20.00h the electricity gets cheap (night tariff).

Sorry you had to experience this but I do know for a fact, that this happens in places in Germany too. So you might wanna think about moving to a cooler place.
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This one is easy:

There are some places that attract bored groups of kids after 22.00. They sometimes cause noise created through drinking, etc, leave litter and damage the area. It happens in many places.

Lachen has money to ensure quality, which is why they can afford a security guard.

This has nothing to do with so don't make it personal. Lachen is for richer expats who want cleanliness, safety and quiet. You obviously make enough money to live there which is a privilege, but it also means you need to follow the rules.

It sounds like security was trying to be friendly with you. Your attitude is important here. If you're annoyed with the rules, your son may take on the same attitude. Instead, just explain to him what happened and that Lachen (and Switzerland) may have more rules than his hometown in Germany.

If you can't accept those rules, this is not the place for you.

You wrote:
And please, I really try to understand, telling me "just accept the Rules" does not help, we know where just accepting Rules can take Life...


If you're talking about Nazi Germany, then you haven't really understood the motivation behind the regime and to link what happened to you with those targeted by Hitler is just mind boggling.

Edit: The security guard would have stopped anyone, no matter their origin. Making this an issue about "foreigners" is wrong and misleading.
Did I imply something about Foreigners?
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Did I imply something about Foreigners?
Not directly but some of your statements and questions are typical of what a foreigner might say. Sorry if I misinterpreted your post.
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Not directly but some of your statements and questions are typical of what a foreigner might say. Sorry if I misinterpreted your post.
I disagree. Had I moved to Lachen I would be just as surprised about what he posted.
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<<.... told me it is not allowed to be in Sport and other public places after 2200...>>
, Lachen definitely is peculiar. Note to self: Never move to Lachen.

<<.... but what gives? Why are people so anti people / telling about / so egoistic and basically act stupid?>>
oh wow, you're asking a life-question here. Surely it's not the first time you do?
Should I ever find the answer to that I will post again here.

<<....we do not even operate the Dish Washer after 20>>
That's a mistake. At 20.00h the electricity gets cheap (night tariff).
Really? Thanks for info. I will evaluate then what is better for me to pay less or to get the Pipe Police.

Sorry you had to experience this but I do know for a fact, that this happens in places in Germany too. So you might wanna think about moving to a cooler place.
Could be, could be. But I hear these kind of issues all over, the common Glue is complaining and complaining instead of just Live and let Live.

BTW, when I got the Tour of the Flat and the Keys, I was told about several dont dont dont (WinCasa, this has nothing to do with Lachen, actually WinCasa Zug) the worst one was - do not ever take another Parking that is not yours. I am like,OK, y would I do that? Actually in Germany happened to me several Times, ok, no big deal, I went looking who is the Terrorist who hijacked my Parking.... Guess here if it happens to me I should just call the Special Forces.
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<<.... told me it is not allowed to be in Sport and other public places after 2200...>>
, Lachen definitely is peculiar. Note to self: Never move to Lachen.

<<.... but what gives? Why are people so anti people / telling about / so egoistic and basically act stupid?>>
oh wow, you're asking a life-question here. Surely it's not the first time you do?
Should I ever find the answer to that I will post again here.

<<....we do not even operate the Dish Washer after 20>>
That's a mistake. At 20.00h the electricity gets cheap (night tariff).

Sorry you had to experience this but I do know for a fact, that this happens in places in Germany too. So you might wanna think about moving to a cooler place.
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This one is easy:

There are some places that attract bored groups of kids after 22.00. They sometimes cause noise created through drinking, etc, leave litter and damage the area. It happens in many places.

Lachen has money to ensure quality, which is why they can afford a security guard.

This has nothing to do with so don't make it personal. Lachen is for richer expats who want cleanliness, safety and quiet. You obviously make enough money to live there which is a privilege, but it also means you need to follow the rules.

It sounds like security was trying to be friendly with you. Your attitude is important here. If you're annoyed with the rules, your son may take on the same attitude. Instead, just explain to him what happened and that Lachen (and Switzerland) may have more rules than his hometown in Germany.

If you can't accept those rules, this is not the place for you.

You wrote:
And please, I really try to understand, telling me "just accept the Rules" does not help, we know where just accepting Rules can take Life...


If you're talking about Nazi Germany, then you haven't really understood the motivation behind the regime and to link what happened to you with those targeted by Hitler is just mind boggling.

Edit: The security guard would have stopped anyone, no matter their origin. Making this an issue about "foreigners" is wrong and misleading.
Hemm, have a look please on HomeGate, we pay here Rent less than what we would have paid in Luzern City or other places. Actually, wish I would be reach like you wrote, will help me find the best location to live.
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Could be, could be. But I hear these kind of issues all over, the common Glue is complaining and complaining instead of just Live and let Live.

BTW, when I got the Tour of the Flat and the Keys, I was told about several dont dont dont (WinCasa, this has nothing to do with Lachen, actually WinCasa Zug) the worst one was - do not ever take another Parking that is not yours. I am like,OK, y would I do that? Actually in Germany happened to me several Times, ok, no big deal, I went looking who is the Terrorist who hijacked my Parking.... Guess here if it happens to me I should just call the Special Forces.
<<As we just moved to Lachen SZ from Germany ..... >>
yeah, well, now you're getting common and generalizing. You already know what the glue (what ever that is. Like "de Teig" in Basel? Which are the rich, old established people there) is like.
You seem to live only in rich people's places (Lachen, Zug, in the latter they actually fold up the side-walks at 20.00h as we joke about it here), so live like the rich or move in with us plebs and have some fun.

Anyway, I leave to to it with this thread.
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<<As we just moved to Lachen SZ from Germany ..... >>
yeah, well, now you're getting common and generalizing. You already know what the glue (what ever that is. Like "de Teig" in Basel? Which are the rich, old established people there) is like.
You seem to live only in rich people's places (Lachen, Zug, in the latter they actually fold up the side-walks at 20.00h as we joke about it here), so live like the rich or move in with us plebs and have some fun.

Anyway, I leave to to it with this thread.
I never lived In Zug, was just mentioning that WinCasa Flats in Lachen belong to the Zug Branch, which is supposed to be a very International and nice Area.

I would be happy to hear recommendations about places that are fun.
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Re: Bad experience today at 2201,or,seriously???

The point is, you seem to expect for everything here to be the way you're used to from DüDo or wherever. Well, it isn't.
You may expect people to be the same, after all they speak some version of German. Yes they do but they aren't.

The sooner you accept that this is a different country, a different people with their own rules, mindset and Gepflogenheiten, the sooner you will arrive and the better the odds for your family to like it here. Until you've accepted that simple fact you'll keep banging your head against a wall only you care about.

Your wife is Swiss. If your lead-in is worth anything she grew up here and should know her way around. You should have talked to her about it by the time you read this. What does she say?


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And that Nazi reference ... way to go man, what a way to introduce yourself.
And as for fun places - just like one's individual version of hell, fun is what you make it. That's entirely up to you.
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We arrived 2155, I was just sitting there looking at them, I had the Ball with me, they were just standing and talking, 2 8.5 Boys talking about stuff Kids talk. To me looks just another normal scene of Life.
You took 2 8 year olds out to play ball at 10pm??
What time do kids go to bed these days?
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So this was Seefeld, I guess? It is a sports faciliy owned by the municipality, and busy all day with school sports and then the sports clubs. The facility closes at 10pm, and I can understand that the residents across the street want it that way given that there is activity all day long.

I was out in Lachen last night and it was buzzing with life and people out and about.
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From what I understand, the guard asked you to move, not because of the noise, but because you were in a place you were not allowed to be in after 10pm. Seems reasonable to me.


You were asked not to take someone else's parking spot. Seems reasonable to me.


You not doing anything after 8pm? Seems like an over reaction.


Germany has rules also. If you were driving 120 on a deserted Landstrasse and got blitzed would you complain?


I think you need to get more of a balance. There are lots of rules, but I have always found that they are more often than not for the benefit of the people.
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You took 2 8 year olds out to play ball at 10pm??
What time do kids go to bed these days?
A question of Mentality I guess ? It is Vacation now lets not forget.

Where we come from Kids stay outside late. Having lived in Germany for 5 Years, we were happy to see that also there it is quite common, especially Foreigners.

Actually I also saw it and get the same feeling from Friends in Italy & Spain.
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There are some seriously judgmental and frankly nasty opinions on this thread from people who I would expect better from.

The idea that Lachen is some sort of gated community for rich expats is risible.

OP - The only reply you need to read on this thread is from Komsomolez.

For the geographically challenged: Lachen is in March not Höfe.
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The point is, you seem to expect for everything here to be the way you're used to from DüDo or wherever. Well, it isn't.
You may expect people to be the same, after all they speak some version of German. Yes they do but they aren't.
Yes, each Country has different people. I just do not understand this going against the Wall attitude. Rules are nice to have, no need to be extreme, never good in Life in any area of Life.

The sooner you accept that this is a different country, a different people with their own rules, mindset and Gepflogenheiten, the sooner you will arrive and the better the odds for your family to like it here. Until you've accepted that simple fact you'll keep banging your head against a wall only you care about.

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Your wife is Swiss. If your lead-in is worth anything she grew up here and should know her way around. You should have talked to her about it by the time you read this. What does she say?

Well, I guess Answer is clear. She says it is not nice, not cool and that people are sometimes too grumpy and extreme here, but nothing will change the Rules.

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And that Nazi reference ... way to go man, what a way to introduce yourself.
And as for fun places - just like one's individual version of hell, fun is what you make it. That's entirely up to you.
Actually, as someone that studied and dealt a lot with this subject - I did not say anything related to Nazi - it is interesting that is what came to peoples´mind...
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There are some seriously judgmental and frankly nasty opinions on this thread from people who I would expect better from.

The idea that Lachen is some sort of gated community for rich expats is risible.

OP - The only reply you need to read on this thread is from Komsomolez.

For the geographically challenged: Lachen is in March not Höfe.
Thank you, I also do not understand Comments here sometimes. Yes, Lachen has some Poshy People with Porsche, but then there also many "normal" Class. Same like every place I met so far in Europe. Like I said in another Comment, actually in the high Real Estate prices of CH, we found here in the Area some reasonable ones for 4 Rooms.
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Wind your neck in, you are being ridiculously dramatic and the verbosity doesn't help.
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So this was Seefeld, I guess? It is a sports faciliy owned by the municipality, and busy all day with school sports and then the sports clubs. The facility closes at 10pm, and I can understand that the residents across the street want it that way given that there is activity all day long.

I was out in Lachen last night and it was buzzing with life and people out and about.
Ye, but we were just sitting there and the Kids were talking, at the middle of the Field, even if your Hearing is beyond perfect you would not hear.

This is just being stupid and want to harm another person fun.

Exactly, I was also walking by the way Home via the City and heard people drinking laughing and making (good noise) but it was all under the Buildings. Maybe I should have called the Police to say it bothers me? Or it is just allowed for the stupid Citizens who see 2 Kids sitting down...

Seriously. And people said that people here are nice, go figure.
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