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*until your next booster shot

** and the booster 6 months later

*** and the next booster, ad infinum
Better than dying from multiple organ failure and infecting your friends and family members.....a huge majority of the patients now in hospitals are unvaccinated.....take care of yourself and get the shot.
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When is it officially imposed ?

Some people here said gyms already asking for a ski pass
Tomorrow onwards
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Better than dying from multiple organ failure and infecting your friends and family members.....a huge majority of the patients now in hospitals are unvaccinated.....take care of yourself and get the shot.
With probability of 0.001% ?
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Those who choose not to get vaccinated should (i) be allowed to die if they fall sick from covid, and (ii) a bill for their stay in any hospital should be sent to their estate, and fully deducted from any assets in their estate, until 100% of the bill has been recovered or the assets fully depleted.

If the rest of us have endless restrictions imposed on us because hospitalization rates go up (mainly from unvaccinated types) I will personally help covid achieve point (i) above!
Why not, also let the obese and smokers die while we're at it!
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Re: Last Day Before Your Freedoms are Limited

The real tragedy of this dialogue is not that people are not taking the shots.
It is that the rich countries have massive stocks and still their citizens don't want to take the vaccine.
And the poor countries have no stocks and their citizens can't take the shots even though they want it.
As much as we talk about booster shots, there are many countries in Asia and Africa which have not yet completed even the mandatory two shots.
Anyone who can get the vaccine should realise how privileged they are and take the shot. Because someone else would happily take their place but not be allowed to.
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You are certainly not alone in thinking that, but you and all that believe that with you, are wrong.
Vaccine "hesitancy" is highest amoung PhDs.

Can you kindly share the source?
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The real tragedy of this dialogue is not that people are not taking the shots.
It is that the rich countries have massive stocks and still their citizens don't want to take the vaccine.
And the poor countries have no stocks and their citizens can't take the shots even though they want it.
As much as we talk about booster shots, there are many countries in Asia and Africa which have not yet completed even the mandatory two shots.
Anyone who can get the vaccine should realise how privileged they are and take the shot. Because someone else would happily take their place but not be allowed to.
It's been like that through the history of human kind. Look at how many refugees does CH take vs. India or Pakistan
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As much as we talk about booster shots, there are many countries in Asia and Africa which have not yet completed even the mandatory two shots.
Emphasis mine
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The real tragedy of this dialogue is not that people are not taking the shots.
It is that the rich countries have massive stocks and still their citizens don't want to take the vaccine.
And the poor countries have no stocks and their citizens can't take the shots even though they want it.
As much as we talk about booster shots, there are many countries in Asia and Africa which have not yet completed even the mandatory two shots.
Anyone who can get the vaccine should realise how privileged they are and take the shot. Because someone else would happily take their place but not be allowed to.
Exactly. I don't hear the self-proclaimed Jews here complain about Israel soon giving the fourth vaccine dose, while most people in the world haven't even received their first jab.
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With probability of 0.001% ?
https://lenews.ch/2021/09/10/covid-n...igh-this-week/
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Re: Last Day Before Your Freedoms are Limited

Most of Switzerland is fully vaccinated (53%). However, roughly 2.5 million people over the age of 12 in Switzerland remain unvaccinated, reflecting one of the lowest rates of vaccination in Europe. 53% of Switzerland is fully vaccinated compared to 60% across the EU, 64% in the UK, 62% in France, 61% in Germany and 63% in Italy.

The overwhelming majority of those getting infected and ending up in hospital with Covid-19 now are unvaccinated. The unvaccinated are also more likely to suffer severe symptoms and end up in ICU.
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Can you kindly share the source?
I found this photo by googling "unvaccinated phd" and finding this article:

https://unherd.com/thepost/the-most-...p-of-all-phds/

Original source is: https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1...795v1.full.pdf
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Emphasis mine
I could explain how the vaccines work and why you need two shots but you don't need the science, you want the propaganda.
I could talk about herd immunity and how it varies by type of bacteria and virus and why you take the vaccine not just for yourself but for ensuring safety of the community but again that would be a wasted argument.
Imagine if the same anti vaxxer sentiment had prevailed when we were trying to get rid of Polio or SmallPox. What would have been the state of the world then.
Dont vaccinate yourself for yourself. Do it so that you protect your family and loved ones.
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I found this photo by googling "unvaccinated phd" and finding this article:

https://unherd.com/thepost/the-most-...p-of-all-phds/

Original source is: https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1...795v1.full.pdf
Thank you. Usually credible sources are the ones which are peer reviewed. This has not been peer reviewed. So I would take it with a pinch of salt.
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The overwhelming majority of those getting infected and ending up in hospital with Covid-19 now are unvaccinated. The unvaccinated are also more likely to suffer severe symptoms and end up in ICU.
This statement is a typical example of fake news.

Obviously everything depends on health condition of a person. Many cases are asymptomatic
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Exactly. I don't hear the self-proclaimed Jews here complain about Israel soon giving the fourth vaccine dose, while most people in the world haven't even received their first jab.
A common error that people make is confusing Jewish with Israeli. While many Jews identify with Israel, many do not.
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This statement is a typical example of fake news.

Obviously everything depends on health condition of a person. Many cases are asymptomatic
This is a direct quote from the article I shared.
How is it fake news? or have we reached a point where everything that does not align with our respective world view = Fake......
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Re: Last Day Before Your Freedoms are Limited

I am covid vaccinated and generally pro vaccine.

However the way things are going is really starting to upset me. There have been very few deaths and hospitalisation for under 30ies. And now, instead of hunting down the over 60ies who still have not gotten their vaccine (Not vaccinated range from 14 to 20% depending on the age group), we are making life more difficult for everyone.

When will it stop? Sometimes I feel like they are boiling us like the proverbial frog....

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For what reason?

As a jew perhaps you have even less off an excuse to make excuses for facism. Have you learned nothing from history?
Facism? Hysterical!

So you think this is the thin end of the wedge. That it's going to end up with those brave vaccine refusers in concentration camps being gassed? You really need to calm down, you'll have a stroke. At least you can still go into hospitals though.

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A common error that people make is confusing Jewish with Israeli. While many Jews identify with Israel, many do not.
A common trait among antisemites as well.

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I am covid vaccinated and generally pro vaccine.

However the way things are going is really starting to upset me. There have been very few deaths and hospitalisation for under 30ies. And now, instead of hunting down the over 60ies who still have not gotten their vaccine (Not vaccinated range from 14 to 20% depending on the age group), we are making life more difficult for everyone.

When will it stop? Sometimes I feel like they are biking us like the proverbial frog....
I think the measures just announced are quite extreme. That said, the vaccination rate was tapering off at 50-52% with no significant uptake since the past few weeks. And the hospitalisation rates are showing a very high proportion of unvaccinated. I think the Govt decided to be very tough to get the rates up. Herd Immunitz typically requires vaccinations in excess of 80% (varies by bacteria/virus) and this is a very virulent virus which is mutating very quickly. I have lost friends and family members to Covid and some were quite young and it is heartbreaking. They would have taken the vaccine but it was not available so easily when they fell sick. If we can prevent more deaths or serious illnesses, then it is worth it. Even though the measures are quite tough.
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