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However, this sign allows dropping off, picking up and delivery. You can also park on a pavement for up to fifteen minutes (at least in BL and BS unless otherwise indicated), where it's a) necessary to not block the traffic and b) you don't block the pavement for pedestrians.
No, generally you can't park on the sidewalk. It may not get prosecuted but that's a different matter. Parking your car on the pavement is forbidden where it isn't explicitly allowed (blue zone that uses the pavement for instance). The fines for an unproblematic situation start with 40.- for anything less than two hours.

You may be allowed to stop using the pavement under certain circumstances (including where "your" sign applies), to load up or offload or let passengers get on or off. Everything else is parking, including waiting for your child because school hasn't ended yet.

As for OP's situation, it's really nothing because he's not endangering his own child. Sod everybody else's.

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Old 23.09.2021, 19:25
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No, generally you can't park on the sidewalk. It may not get prosecuted but that's a different matter. Parking your car on the pavement is forbidden where it isn't explicitly allowed (blue zone that uses the pavement for instance). The fines for an unproblematic situation start with 40.- for anything less than two hours.

You may be allowed to stop using the pavement under certain circumstances (including where "your" sign applies), to load up or offload or let passengers get on or off. Everything else is parking, including waiting for your child because school hasn't ended yet.

As for OP's situation, it's really nothing because he's not endangering his own child. Sod everybody else's.
I was specifically meaning picking in up, dropping off and deliveries. Waiting is, as you say, parking. OP is a very naughty boy.
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I was specifically meaning picking in up, dropping off and deliveries. Waiting is, as you say, parking. OP is a very naughty boy.
Funny thing is, apparently Parents are doing this, Suppliers are doing this and even more interesting, the Cars of the Municipality or however it is called here, also doing this.

Wow, I guess I should grab a Chair, my Sony Alpha Camera and start making Pictures. Keep the Law busy here
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So you would never see this sign outside a maternity home.

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The sign that indicates that you cannot drop children there doesn't require any German. It looks like this:

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Earlier, as a contribution to the 'fresh start' discussion, I started writing a post about my main EF bugbear -- but then decided to abandon it as I was sure people would rethink their old habits. I wrote:

"Few readers/posters will disagree that EF can be a nasty place sometimes -- especially to newbies or those in distress seeking assistance. These seem to be seen as 'fair game' by the usual EF elders and those wanting to look tough in front of their mates, who really cannot understand why newer, less experienced arrivals don't know all the ins and outs of Swiss housing, immigration and employment law, speeding fines, and numerous other everyday issues that most of us learn about the hard way. That's the main thing I'd like to see stop on this forum. I'd class it as bullying and very unhelpful to those in need of comfort and advice. The more people get ridiculed, the less likely they are to post."

But here we are, a few hours later, groaning and ridiculing someone seeking help and reassurance.

Plus ca change...
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I was specifically meaning picking in up, dropping off and deliveries. Waiting is, as you say, parking.
Your choice of words. Or are there different versions of parking you're referring to?
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OP is a very naughty boy.
No worries, it won't affect his own child.
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Earlier, as a contribution to the 'fresh start' discussion, I started writing a post about my main EF bugbear -- but then decided to abandon it as I was sure people would rethink their old habits. I wrote:

"Few readers/posters will disagree that EF can be a nasty place sometimes -- especially to newbies or those in distress seeking assistance. These seem to be seen as 'fair game' by the usual EF elders and those wanting to look tough in front of their mates, who really cannot understand why newer, less experienced arrivals don't know all the ins and outs of Swiss housing, immigration and employment law, speeding fines, and numerous other everyday issues that most of us learn about the hard way. That's the main thing I'd like to see stop on this forum. I'd class it as bullying and very unhelpful to those in need of comfort and advice. The more people get ridiculed, the less likely they are to post."

But here we are, a few hours later, groaning and ridiculing someone seeking help and reassurance.

Plus ca change...
Thank you for your Words.

Actually, as I myself am still Head of a Community in Germany (Volunteer of course - nobody wants to replace me) and I moderate our Groups / Forums ect, I totally do not understand what is all the point of Cynicism, laughing at and calling Names Members here in the EF, especially new ones.

Sometimes I read Comments and I just think - wow what is the idea? to show that he/she are better integrated here? That they have better Life here? That they are smarter / have better English / more knowledge?

Even more I can say, I know many Foreigners in CH whom I ask why they are not using this Forum to seek Help which they will not be able to do over FB, due to personal reasons, and they tell me that they tried and indeed they got rude Answers so they just quit...

As I am also a known Contact Person in Germany for Israelis seeking help to relocate to Germany (and most are Work seekers, so not the fancy Company pays all Costs type of people) on average I spend 4 Hours a Week over the Phone listening and giving Tips to people and yes, also having the same questions again and again.

Maybe I should just direct them to the people here in EF, to get some tender Love.

Shame for all of us. People need to remember - 1st where they came from and how they started - and also that the World is a Circle one Time you are Up one Time Down.
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Just walked down the street and someone looked at me in a strange way. What do you recommend I do about this?
Write all about it on EF. Start speculating about the nationality of the offender, his socio-economic status, don't forget anything, rip him apart! That will teach him, the bugger.
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Look, Tom. The problem is you’ve written numerous threads about your negative experiences in Switzerland. In each one, you try to find justification for bending the rules. We hear your side of the story, tell you this is Switzerland (and Lachen) where people care about rules and will enforce them. Then you get angry at us for not understanding.

It sounds as if you took longer in that no parking space than others usually do and therefore made someone mad. It happens. Maybe your reaction triggered the man to take a photo of your license plate. I doubt anything will come of it but here’s the best advice I can give: just don’t do it again. If you must drop your child off, then make sure it all happens within seconds. Or, even better, walk with her to school until she gets the routine down.
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Look, Tom. The problem is you’ve written numerous threads about your negative experiences in Switzerland. In each one, you try to find justification for bending the rules. We hear your side of the story, tell you this is Switzerland (and Lachen) where people care about rules and will enforce them. Then you get angry at us for not understanding.

It sounds as if you took longer in that no parking lot than others usually do and therefore made someone mad. It happens. Maybe your reaction triggered the man to take a photo of your license. I doubt anything will come of it but here’s the best advice I can give: just don’t do it again. If you must drop your child off, then make sure it all happens within seconds. Or, even better, walk with her to school until she gets the routine down.
This too.

And laugh it off, Tom, when certain behaviours don't make sense to you.

Yes, some folks here exhibit a desire to control and reinforce rules that sometimes seem a tad ridiculous to us, but TIS. I always say the country wouldn't look and function like it does if it weren't for these things and they had a more laissez-faire attitude.

So take each place with its good and bad.
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Look, Tom. The problem is you’ve written numerous threads about your negative experiences in Switzerland. In each one, you try to find justification for bending the rules. We hear your side of the story, tell you this is Switzerland (and Lachen) where people care about rules and will enforce them. Then you get angry at us for not understanding.

It sounds as if you took longer in that no parking lot than others usually do and therefore made someone mad. It happens. Maybe your reaction triggered the man to take a photo of your license. I doubt anything will come of it but here’s the best advice I can give: just don’t do it again. If you must drop your child off, then make sure it all happens within seconds. Or, even better, walk with her to school until she gets the routine down.
Thanks for your feedback. I do not recall I got angry at any of you Guys or Girls?

And I do not remember bending the Rules.

I am usually asking about the way People here address People, sorry I am used to be kind and get kindness, especially to Foreigners and newcomers to a specific Place.

Like I said, everybody is doing that, including the City Hall Cars, so it seems to be a common habit here.

My Question was about the attitude of this Guy and lets play the Police Game - I wanted to know if he can do anything with it. Now, thanks to some nice People here in the EF who actually wrote me a PM and directed me to the correct Links - I have the answer.

By the way, this Forum, same as any other FB Group or whatever, is not a must. If people do not like some Post, they can just ignore it.

Unless I did not read good the Rules.
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When I first arrived in Switzerland, I was told jokingly that Switzerland doesn't have a police force as it's completely unnecessary as every Swiss citizen polices one another. It has it's advantages and disadvantages.

At first I found it a bit aggressive. We lived in a very expensive apartment block in Herrliberg where some poor Swiss elderly lady had bought the most expensive penthouse apartment just before the market collapsed. Every other apartment was rented to expats whose companies could pay the huge rents. Nobody understood the rules (including my husband who is Swiss, but had left at 18). The elderly lady was surrounded by people who used English as a common language and I am sure she felt pretty frustrated and isolated. She called the police on a couple of occasions for some minor infraction (putting bottles in the bottle bank on a Sunday for example) and rang the Managing Agent on an almost daily basis with a complaint about another resident.
I felt really sorry for her and we reassessed living in an expat bubble and moved out.

I am sure I have broken the odd rule along the way and have certainly made endless unwitting cultural blunders. I find being polite and friendly and apologising if one is in the wrong the best method of disarming someone.
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Funny thing is, apparently Parents are doing this, Suppliers are doing this and even more interesting, the Cars of the Municipality or however it is called here, also doing this.

Wow, I guess I should grab a Chair, my Sony Alpha Camera and start making Pictures. Keep the Law busy here
Wait until you get prosecuted. If you don't then you can just carry on as before.

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Your choice of words.
Poor choice of words. Sorry for the confusion. You know how it is, switching contexts mid sentence flow.
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When I first arrived in Switzerland, I was told jokingly that Switzerland doesn't have a police force as it's completely unnecessary as every Swiss citizen polices one another. It has it's advantages and disadvantages.
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My Question was about the attitude of this Guy and lets play the Police Game - I wanted to know if he can do anything with it. Now, thanks to some nice People here in the EF who actually wrote me a PM and directed me to the correct Links - I have the answer.

By the way, this Forum, same as any other FB Group or whatever, is not a must. If people do not like some Post, they can just ignore it.

Unless I did not read good the Rules.
maybe you can share your conclusions to help others in a similar situation.
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Thanks for your feedback. I do not recall I got angry at any of you Guys or Girls?

And I do not remember bending the Rules.

I am usually asking about the way People here address People, sorry I am used to be kind and get kindness, especially to Foreigners and newcomers to a specific Place.

Like I said, everybody is doing that, including the City Hall Cars, so it seems to be a common habit here.

My Question was about the attitude of this Guy and lets play the Police Game - I wanted to know if he can do anything with it. Now, thanks to some nice People here in the EF who actually wrote me a PM and directed me to the correct Links - I have the answer.

By the way, this Forum, same as any other FB Group or whatever, is not a must. If people do not like some Post, they can just ignore it.

Unless I did not read good the Rules.
Up till now, yes, to me you have sometimes sounded angry. However, when I read this post of yours, I thought more deeply, and am going to reply (at some length), because it now looks to me like you are possibly genuinely trying to understand what is happening to you, and how you could improve the situation.
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This too.

And laugh it off, Tom, when certain behaviours don't make sense to you.

...I always say the country wouldn't look and function like it does if it weren't for these things and they had a more laissez-faire attitude.

So take each place with its good and bad.
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I am sure I have broken the odd rule along the way and have certainly made endless unwitting cultural blunders. I find being polite and friendly and apologising if one is in the wrong the best method of disarming someone.

Before I left the first country I lived in, to move to the second, I was given wise counsel:

It's going to be different. Different is not necessarily better or worse, just different. Some of the differences will feel better, for you personally, and others worse.

In any event, remember that the locals built their systems that way, and you're the newcomer, so tread lightly, remain respectful, do not argue against the way they do things and be impeccably polite. There is, after all, no reason for them to do things the way you're used to in your other country. The sooner you make the mental shift to knowing that you are "here" and no longer "there", things will start to feel better.

Accept the fact that, at least to start with and because you don't yet understand the local ways, you're bound to make mistakes (and possibly even cause offence) without even realising it, so be quick smile and apologise. And adapt your behaviour accordingly.

Put your energy into learning the local language as fast as you can. It is not reasonable to expect the locals to speak to you in the languages you brought with you. The more you speak of the local language, the easier almost every aspect of your daily life will become.

Even if you have valid permission to live in their country, you are still a guest, and even if you naturalise, you are still from somewhere else. Therefore, never expect the locals to adapt to you, since the onus on you is to adapt to them. You don't have to lose yourself, to do that.

Gradually, you will learn the rules and customs of your host country, and work out how to annoy the locals less and how to feel more at home.


TomLis, I would imagine that, when you are counselling Israelis who are considering moving to Germany, you would be teaching them that they'll be happier if they can get their heads around the fact that things are going to be different from what they're familiar with. Yet is seems to me that you are struggling with (or against) things being different from what you know.
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Thanks for your feedback. I do not recall I got angry at any of you Guys or Girls?
I wonder if this is, perhaps, a question of language usage. I have found that some of your posts do sound angry, to me. Not at me, but at the people in the incidents you describe, whose behaviour displeased or confused you, and/or about life in Switzerland.

One of the things - at least in writing - that would make your texts look less angry would be if you stopped using capital letters in the middle of your sentences. I say this not to criticise your use of English, but to explain that capitalising a word which does not, grammatically, take a capital letter, tends to emphasise that syllable, unnaturally. If a person were reading the sentence aloud, they would read the capital letter with more force and greater volume. This can be taken as sarcasm or mockery.

For example, if I write:
"My work colleague invited me over to her house." it's neutral, whereas
"My work colleague invited me over to her House." implies that either she or I have something particular to say about her place, perhaps that I mock her because she called it a house, when I think of it as a tiny hut, or that she often talks too much about her home.

"My professor, who conducts important research, gave me a book to read." is neutral, whereas
"My professor, who conducts Important Research, gave me a book to read." could imply that the professor is arrogant because he keeps blowing his own trumpet about how very significant his contribution is to the world, or that the speaker wants to drive the point home, forcefully, that he/she associates with someone of a high status, or that the listener is stupid and doesn't get the importance of a professor and his work.

Similarly,
"The manager drives a big car." is neutral, whereas
"The manager drives a Big Car." brings an emotional content with it, depending on the context it could mean that the speaker thinks the manager's car is actually small, or else that the manager makes far too much fuss about the car, or else that the manager is way too rich and flashy.

I think, TomLis, that you do not mean your English usage in the way it comes across. I think it would help to change that part, as it may have a positive influence on the way your texts are read. (I think I am not the first person here to comment on this.)

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And I do not remember bending the Rules.
To me, it sounded that way, in your description of wanting to stay on in the school yard / playground after 22h (when the rule is that everyone has to be out by 22h), and when you wrote about driving your child to school at all, and parking there (when the norm is that parents don't drive their children to school, but the children walk to school by themselves or perhaps with some adult supervision, but only until they learn the route and then walk alone, or with classmates).

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I am usually asking about the way People here address People, sorry I am used to be kind and get kindness, especially to Foreigners and newcomers to a specific Place.

Like I said, everybody is doing that, including the City Hall Cars, so it seems to be a common habit here.

My Question was about the attitude of this Guy and lets play the Police Game - I wanted to know if he can do anything with it.
I find your experiences surprising. While you've been in a number of situations in which you felt the people were being especially unreasonable or rude or unkind to you, I've received great courtesy in Switzerland, a lot of practical help, and sometimes kindness and generosity. Not necessarily smiley, cheery friendliness, definitely not always that, but certainly politeness. Yes, I sometimes experience rude people, too, but as exceptions, and even then the situation can often (but regrettably not always) be improved by a gentle word.
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