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Re: Potential changes to the CHF300 cross border tax free daily allowance...

I read one report about this that said Swiss supermarkets lack competition. This move will make it even worse.

But for any shoppers, it's simple enough to download the QuickZoll app and declare and pay online. On a 300 Franc food shop it'll be less than 10 francs, which is easily outweighed by the German MWST refund and the price difference.

In other words... Meh.
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Old 29.09.2021, 18:25
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Re: Potential changes to the CHF300 cross border tax free daily allowance...

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At the moment the border guards do not collect taxes when the tax is under CHF 5.-.
So with Swiss food tax at 2.5% one could buy up to CHF 200 of groceries abroad without paying any Swiss tax.
What if you buy food and non-food items in the same receipt? How your tax is calculated then?
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Old 29.09.2021, 18:26
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What if you buy food and non-food items in the same receipt? How your tax is calculated then?
By which is what, simple.

It is clearly stated.

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Old 29.09.2021, 18:29
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Re: Potential changes to the CHF300 cross border tax free daily allowance...

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I read one report about this that said Swiss supermarkets lack competition. This move will make it even worse.

But for any shoppers, it's simple enough to download the QuickZoll app and declare and pay online. On a 300 Franc food shop it'll be less than 10 francs, which is easily outweighed by the German MWST refund and the price difference.

In other words... Meh.
Italian VAT is the same as Swiss for food (2.5%), and you can only declare for more than EUR 147 (food or not, but only from the same place).

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Old 29.09.2021, 19:32
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Re: Potential changes to the CHF300 cross border tax free daily allowance...

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The vast majority of shops in France are closed on Sunday, supermarket included.

Things are more expensive here for a reason (compare salaries and charges, insurance, etc- it is all very clear). I for one am delighted that shop workers here have proper time off with their families, unlike the UK where out of hours shopping hours were initially voluntary and later imposed. Accept or lose your job.

Border guards watch the triumphant faces as people go through un/wo/manned posts and delight in catching them a few km down the road. (from border guards who are neighbours, lol).
So with these factors can you explain why electronic goods are much cheaper here than in the neighbour lands?
Also, VAT is much lower here which should push prices down.

Prices here are higher simply due to greed.
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The vast majority of shops in France are closed on Sunday, supermarket included.

Things are more expensive here for a reason (compare salaries and charges, insurance, etc- it is all very clear). I for one am delighted that shop workers here have proper time off with their families, unlike the UK where out of hours shopping hours were initially voluntary and later imposed. Accept or lose your job.

Border guards watch the triumphant faces as people go through un/wo/manned posts and delight in catching them a few km down the road. (from border guards who are neighbours, lol).

Didn't you used to boast you did a lot of shopping in France in the past as it was cheaper......?


Employée/employeur charges in Switzerland are far less than in France by the way.
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Old 29.09.2021, 19:50
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So with these factors can you explain why electronic goods are much cheaper here than in the neighbour lands?
Also, VAT is much lower here which should push prices down.

Prices here are higher simply due to greed.
COOP.ch has the highest profit margins of any supermarket in Europe. This is not going, as some have suggested, to the pockets of the cashiers and shelf-stackers.
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COOP.ch has the highest profit margins of any supermarket in Europe. This is not going, as some have suggested, to the pockets of the cashiers and shelf-stackers.

They and Migros, both inject a lot back into the economy as they are theoretically non-rofit making.


If you want a good example, go look at what Migros did on top of Mont Generoso (Capolago/Ticino) Mario Botta designed it, Migros paid for it.....


They both subvention the arts heavily, think Sektor1 in Aigle this year.



So whilst they make good profit, albeit far less than 10 years ago, they are fairly community conscious.



By the way it is well worth a trip up the mountain and walk down, bit expensive but their are frequently offers available.
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Old 29.09.2021, 20:24
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They and Migros, both inject a lot back into the economy as they are theoretically non-rofit making.


If you want a good example, go look at what Migros did on top of Mont Generoso (Capolago/Ticino) Mario Botta designed it, Migros paid for it.....


They both subvention the arts heavily, think Sektor1 in Aigle this year.



So whilst they make good profit, albeit far less than 10 years ago, they are fairly community conscious.



By the way it is well worth a trip up the mountain and walk down, bit expensive but their are frequently offers available.
We always took helicopters to Generoso, as it was cheaper.

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Re: Potential changes to the CHF300 cross border tax free daily allowance...

I dont shop in CH, only in Italy

Cop / Migras are joke comparing to Carrefour.

Once got stopped by a sleepy custom guy who got lost in his iphone till I passed him in my car. He was interested if I carry more than 2kg of meat. He inspected my 35 days dry-aged 1.5kg Fiorentina steak and was extremely disappointed that he can't squeeze me for it.
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Didn't you used to boast you did a lot of shopping in France in the past as it was cheaper......?

Yes, I did (well no, I never boasted..)- I still do as I live so close to border- and as I do not have a Swiss salary or pension either. But I can see both sides, and understand why prices are higher in Switzerland.
Same distance for me to go to Swiss supermarket or French.

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Old 29.09.2021, 20:56
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I dont shop in CH, only in Italy

Cop / Migras are joke comparing to Carrefour.

Once got stopped by a sleepy custom guy who got lost in his iphone till I passed him in my car. He was interested if I carry more than 2kg of meat. He inspected my 35 days dry-aged 1.5kg Fiorentina steak and was extremely disappointed that he can't squeeze me for it.
Umm, limit is one kg.
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Umm, limit is one kg.
Maybe he wasn't alone?
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Old 29.09.2021, 21:13
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Italian VAT is the same as Swiss for food (2.5%), and you can only declare for more than EUR 147 (food or not, but only from the same place).
So shop in Germany then.

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COOP.ch has the highest profit margins of any supermarket in Europe. This is not going, as some have suggested, to the pockets of the cashiers and shelf-stackers.
It goes to the 2.5 million or so of its members.

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He was interested if I carry more than 2kg of meat..
Umm, limit is one kg.
And used to be 0.5kg. So either two people in the vehicle or 4, or otec is telling porkies, or he has a bad memory.
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Old 29.09.2021, 21:57
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Sused to be 0.5kg. So either two people in the vehicle or 4, or otec is telling porkies, or he has a bad memory.
It used to be 0.5 kg PLUS 3.5 kg of salume!

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Old 29.09.2021, 22:07
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The vast majority of shops in France are closed on Sunday, supermarket included.
Around here most French supermarkets are open Sunday mornings til 12:30 or so. Plus there are a few open air markets in France every Sunday. Makes a difference.

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Same distance for me to go to Swiss supermarket or French.
Same here. But much more pleasant to go to France by bike on designated bike route (no car traffic) than the overcrowded narrow swiss roads that are not so bike friendly.
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Italian VAT is the same as Swiss for food (2.5%), and you can only declare for more than EUR 147 (food or not, but only from the same place).

Tom
And it’s 175€ minimum spend before you can claim the VAT back from the shop in France.
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Umm, limit is one kg.
I guess luckily there was more than me in the car
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The onus is on the driver to prove he has been in France longer....


Credit card payments
Hotel bill
Restaurant bill
Highway toll bill
Whatever bill


Without any of these it will be considered less than 24 hours and up to you to prove the contrary.
been twice in leclerc in two days. have credit card slips.
this proves what - exactly?
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been twice in leclerc in two days. have credit card slips.
this proves what - exactly?
It proves that you went to Leclerc twice in two days. Those alone won’t be enough to prove to them that you stayed more than 24 hours in France.
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