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... it was just under 2 kg, and turned out to be the most expensive leg of lamb I've ever bought.
But possibly still cheaper than the local butcher!

You need to shop with friends for a 2kg leg of lamb. My wife and I borrow our grandchildren.
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Yes, only make that mistake once! Grandchildren sadly a bit too far away- but we borrow other kids (and call it babysitting lol)

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They're not meat counters. They're looking for people who've broken the customs laws, from being 1kg over without declaring, to drug smuggling, human trafficking etc. Maybe you don't, but I think that's rather a useful activity. They much prefer dealing with the serious end of border infractions.

They stopped you because either you fit a profile or at random. They happened to luck out. And you didn't. Of course if you hadn't broken the law, then they wouldn't have had take the time to fine you. And perhaps that drug dealer with a consignment of contaminated ecstasy would have been caught and those kids would not have died.
yep, not sure how many drug dealers get across the border (let alone those that you can see on every corner in some well known Geneva areas) while they are busy meat counting.

but don't get me wrong. I am not ranting or anything, certainly not for 200 chf. I honestly felt sorry for the guys.
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Old 02.10.2021, 13:22
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Re: Potential changes to the CHF300 cross border tax free daily allowance...

Come and talk to all my neighbours who are Border Guards- they will tell you how often they stop drug dealers, small, medium, big and massive- at the local borders and on patrols on minor roads, 24/7.
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Re: Potential changes to the CHF300 cross border tax free daily allowance...

When we were living in Zug we did a large monthly shop in France.
Never got stopped in 4 years luckily.
I used to humm the tune to the great escape film as we passed border into Switzerland having nothing been stopped

Only time I ever got stopped was coming back from lake Como on a Sunday afternoon and we literally didn’t have anything to declare.
Just been for a day out.
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Well, these are not 'ordinary' police- but border guards- and it is their job to check goods, and meat, coming in the country. Its up to you to know the rules and stick to them, or put up with consequences. Whether we agree with the rules or not, is quite beside the point.

I've only got caught out once- because we were going to go to our local supermarket in France to buy a leg of lamb to have with friends at the week-end. At the last minute OH had to go elsewhere and I went on my own. As usual, I just hand in my receipt at the borde if stopped and asked if I have anything to declare. And he asked ' what is the weight of that leg of lamb?' - and I replied with a smile 'honestly I don't know' - so he smiled back and said 'then we better have a look then' - it was just under 2 kg, and turned out to be the most expensive leg of lamb I've ever bought. It's a fair cop- I paid up, with a smile.

But they get people trying to come through for restaurants with huge amounts. Our border guard neighbours have some amazing and often very funny stories to tell.

If this comes to pass, it will be a real pain for us and Sterling is again falling like a stone- but hey ho, we will survive, I am sure- probably eat less meat, which is not a bad thing either. It's so close that we could go twice a week rather than once anyhow.



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Old 03.10.2021, 13:11
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Why doesn't this go to the public vote?

It would be idea -Yes/No with the consequences explained by going with the new limit, or retaining the old one.

I appreciate that no initiative was created for this change but in a country of direct democracy, this type of thing is more typical of a parliamentary democracy.

It doesn't bother me either way - I don't shop much abroad. The only reason I'd give to stop it is that it does provide a bit of competition to the Swiss retailers and keeps them on their toes.
The motion was submitted by a parliamentarian and passed in both chambers (against the advice of Finance Minister Ueli Maurer, who said that it would be a nightmare to implement). It is now up to the Federal Council to organize implementation. Once that has been announced, a committee could be formed to collect the requisite number of signatures to put it to a national vote.

I can't really see how they will implement it. Swiss border posts are often unmanned and they don't have the resources to man them all permanently. Going shopping for over 50 Euros will be a calculated risk. More often than not, depending on the crossing you use, it won't be an issue. As the Carrefour supermarket in Italy near us is open until midnight 7 nights a week, I'm fairly relaxed about the whole situation.
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They're not meat counters. They're looking for people who've broken the customs laws, from being 1kg over without declaring, to drug smuggling, human trafficking etc. Maybe you don't, but I think that's rather a useful activity. They much prefer dealing with the serious end of border infractions.

They stopped you because either you fit a profile or at random. They happened to luck out. And you didn't. Of course if you hadn't broken the law, then they wouldn't have had take the time to fine you. And perhaps that drug dealer with a consignment of contaminated ecstasy would have been caught and those kids would not have died.
This is again Spaghetti in peoples's head.

Drug smuggling and human trafficking have nothing to do with customs, its not their jurisdiction. This is done by the police.

Customs are there to check to excess of meat, alcohol, tobacco and rental cars. Thats it.
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Old 03.10.2021, 20:51
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This is again Spaghetti in peoples's head.

Drug smuggling and human trafficking have nothing to do with customs, its not their jurisdiction. This is done by the police.

Customs are there to check to excess of meat, alcohol, tobacco and rental cars. Thats it.
Exactly!

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Re: Potential changes to the CHF300 cross border tax free daily allowance...

A big difference between Customs Officers and Border Guards.

But they work together for sure- and don't always work that well with 'normal' police.
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A big difference between Customs Officers and Border Guards.
There is no difference since around three years ago, when they were combined into one.

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P.S. JackieH, I was also surprised to discover this a year or more ago, as they used to be separate.

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This is again Spaghetti in peoples's head.

Drug smuggling and human trafficking have nothing to do with customs, its not their jurisdiction. This is done by the police.

Customs are there to check to excess of meat, alcohol, tobacco and rental cars. Thats it.

Not exactly they are their to see what comes in to Switzerland, they aren't too bothered with what, providing it is legal.
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This is again Spaghetti in peoples's head.

Drug smuggling and human trafficking have nothing to do with customs, its not their jurisdiction. This is done by the police.

Customs are there to check to excess of meat, alcohol, tobacco and rental cars. Thats it.

It is not the normal police that work on all the trains in and out of Switzerland, for instance. Checking for traficking of anything and anyone, as well as drugs, illegal immigration, etc. Or airports, road patrols, or indeed at the Borders or nearby (up to 30 km)
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A big difference between Customs Officers and Border Guards.

But they work together for sure- and don't always work that well with 'normal' police.
P.S. Was even more recen than I thoughtt:

"By 2021, the Swiss Border Guard was integrated into the directorate "Operations"."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Swiss_Border_Guard

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This is again Spaghetti in peoples's head.

Drug smuggling and human trafficking have nothing to do with customs, its not their jurisdiction. This is done by the police.

Customs are there to check to excess of meat, alcohol, tobacco and rental cars. Thats it.
Excess of rental cars sounds scary!

Had to learn the hard way that it is not allowed to have your car repaired by a garage in Germany and cross the border using the garage's rental car in the mean time -- luckily the border guards were kind and helpful as it was due to an accident.

I believe that higher limits were in part due to limited enforcement. With advancing technological possibilities those limits will (sadly in my opinion) shrink more and more, making life more stressful.
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Excess of rental cars sounds scary!

Had to learn the hard way that it is not allowed to have your car repaired by a garage in Germany and cross the border using the garage's rental car in the mean time -- luckily the border guards were kind and helpful as it was due to an accident.

I believe that higher limits were in part due to limited enforcement. With advancing technological possibilities those limits will (sadly in my opinion) shrink more and more, making life more stressful.
you are allowed to drive a non-Swiss registered rental car for up to 8 days

https://www.fedlex.admin.ch/eli/cc/2007/250/it

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Re: Potential changes to the CHF300 cross border tax free daily allowance...

Correct, but you have to request a form 15.25 at a manned border crossing during opening hours.

"Sie müssen bei der Einreise beim Schweizer Zoll einen Vormerkschein 15.25 beantragen."

https://www.ezv.admin.ch/ezv/de/home...zeuge/faq.html

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Mit dem Vormerkschein 15.25 haben Sie 8 Tage Zeit (ab Beginn des Mietvertrages gerechnet), das Fahrzeug wieder auszuführen oder an das in der Schweiz ansässige Vermietungsunternehmen zurückzugeben.

The 8 days starts when your rental started. So if you hire a car in Germany and use it for 4 days before crossing into Switzerland, you can only use it for 4 days here, not 8, before either leaving the country or returning the vehicle back to a rental company office in Switzerland.
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This is again Spaghetti in peoples's head.

Drug smuggling and human trafficking have nothing to do with customs, its not their jurisdiction. This is done by the police.

Customs are there to check to excess of meat, alcohol, tobacco and rental cars. Thats it.
Mandates of the Swiss Customs Admin: https://www.ezv.admin.ch/ezv/en/home...a/mandate.html


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Tasks of the Federal Customs Administration

Contribution towards national security

Combat illegal activities

Increased security by way of mobile presence in the border regions; combat of crime and illegal migration (e.g. people and vehicle searches); combat against drug trafficking and document forgery etc.


Public security

Control of the trafficking in arms and combat equipment as well as of goods used for both military and civil aims and explosive substances; enforcement of traffic regulations for incoming and outgoing traffic; enforcement of embargoes etc.
In the past there were two separate functions: customs officer and border police officer. Well, these functions were merged back on 2019: https://www.lenouvelliste.ch/article...ontiere-833211

Of course, that's only the legal framework. The retraining of people and organizational changes take some time to fully implement. Anyway, I wouldn't say today that drug smuggling and human trafficking is not the business of a customs officer.
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Re: Potential changes to the CHF300 cross border tax free daily allowance...

Does anyone have any latest info on when the change comes into affect?? Curious to know if it'll start soon, like in the new year.
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Does anyone have any latest info on when the change comes into affect?? Curious to know if it'll start soon, like in the new year.
Maybe never.

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