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To be honest I was not a fan of this thread split, the original idea behind it was of very good intention but somehow there‘s been a derailment and now for me, this one hasn‘t really worked out and it‘s become part EF politics.

Can I kindly request it’s put to bed? We do still have the other on-topic one…
I think that the thread-split into a „good, serious“ and a „stupidity playground“ was a brilliant idea. Bravo 3Wishes.

Unfortunately, the usual suspects did not respect it, and spread their usual revolting comments here.
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Old 01.10.2021, 15:50
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the answer was there all along: ban alcohol!
I don't live in the phantasy world where I believe you can ban alcohol.
Just as you can't ban sex.

It's more that I hope it might be possible to get people to drink more responsibly, when they drink.

So, by my original comment, I would assume that if people drank more responsibly, we might have less rapes, fights and accidents.

We'd still have all of these, but the cases would be much more clear-cut than in the case above, where all parties were probably totally hammered - and you can't make any informed decision in that state, IMO.
Especially not whether you should take somebody home with you or not and whether it's a good idea to drop your pants in from of them.

There are campaigns to promote not drinking and driving (and actual penalties if you do and get caught), as well as campaigns promoting the use of condomns during sex.
Why are there no similar campaigns for not drinking (too much) and having sex?
Applying to any and all other drugs, too, of course, if anyone was in doubt of that.
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Old 01.10.2021, 18:37
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I don't live in the phantasy world where I believe you can ban alcohol.
Just as you can't ban sex.

It's more that I hope it might be possible to get people to drink more responsibly, when they drink.

So, by my original comment, I would assume that if people drank more responsibly, we might have less rapes, fights and accidents.

We'd still have all of these, but the cases would be much more clear-cut than in the case above, where all parties were probably totally hammered - and you can't make any informed decision in that state, IMO.
Especially not whether you should take somebody home with you or not and whether it's a good idea to drop your pants in from of them.

There are campaigns to promote not drinking and driving (and actual penalties if you do and get caught), as well as campaigns promoting the use of condomns during sex.
Why are there no similar campaigns for not drinking (too much) and having sex?
Applying to any and all other drugs, too, of course, if anyone was in doubt of that.
England is the country most famous for staggering groups of barely clad females throwing-up or collapsed on the streets. I have actually never witnessed that here in Switzerland. Could we focus this discussion on Switzerland please - there‘s another thread on the UK, which takes into account those demographics that most of us chose to leave behind.

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Old 01.10.2021, 19:19
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Re: Thread split: Safety for women alone in CH

Meanwhile, there was justice today in Lugano for the young British woman murdered 2 years ago in Muralto: guilty of murder, 19.5 years (I think it's the max).

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/162256...murdering-her/

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England is the country most famous for staggering groups of barely clad females throwing-up or collapsed on the streets. I have actually never witnessed that here in Switzerland. Could we focus this discussion on Switzerland please - there‘s another thread on the UK, which takes into account those demographics that most of us chose to leave behind.

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You’ve obviously never been to the right bits of town!
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Old 01.10.2021, 19:27
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You’ve obviously never been to the right bits of town!
I get that - is probably true - but why then do I never hear about it in the Daily Mail equivalent ie. 20 Minutes? But if you check into the Daily Mail, well you’d think that the UK is a land of debauchery, crime, food and fuel shortages etc. etc. etc.

But it does love to spend most of it‘s site describing the ridiculous costumes of the royals, or it’s inevitable exit from it (like us all) from Harry and Megan on these, ever increasing, incredibly bad days.

But, please, is there any chance that we can get back on topic?
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I get that - is probably true - but why then do I never hear about it in the Daily Mail equivalent ie. 20 Minutes? But if you check into the Daily Mail, well you’d think that the UK is a land of debauchery, crime, food and fuel shortages etc. etc. etc.

But it does love to spend most of it‘s site describing the ridiculous costumes of the royals, or it’s inevitable exit from it (like us all) from Harry and Megan on these, ever increasing, incredibly bad days.

But, please, is there any chance that we can get back on topic?
To bring it somewhat back to topic, this is all part of the victim blaming agenda to my mind. Look at these “slags” falling about drunk with no clothes on, no wonder bad things happen to them, etc.
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Re: Thread split: Safety for women alone in CH

Interesting discussion on Any Questions/Any Answers this afternoon. I liked what one person said: Any solution that begins with "women should" is looking at the issue the wrong way.

There was also a general sense that in the UK at least, this is something that has got worse in the past few years.
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Old 02.10.2021, 23:02
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To bring it somewhat back to topic, this is all part of the victim blaming agenda to my mind. Look at these “slags” falling about drunk with no clothes on, no wonder bad things happen to them, etc.
I truly can‘t believe that I‘ve just read that.
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Old 02.10.2021, 23:24
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I truly can‘t believe that I‘ve just read that.
Just to clarify here; it looks as though BritS is paraphrasing the victim-blaming culture of the UK tabloids, not their own opinion.
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Old 02.10.2021, 23:31
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Re: Thread split: Safety for women alone in CH

Well, being (completely) drunk doesn’t absolve you from all responsibility.

Not the victim and certainly not the perpetrator.

My coworker has this saying: „In a perfect world, I could drink from the toilet bowl.“

It’s not a perfect world, and we have to adjust to that.

Some more than others, admittedly - but again, in a perfect world….
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I truly can‘t believe that I‘ve just read that.
Take a deep breath, comprehend, then post.

I’m satirising the line of the right wing tabs.
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Just to clarify here; it looks as though BritS is paraphrasing the victim-blaming culture of the UK tabloids, not their own opinion.
Thank you.
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Old 03.10.2021, 08:37
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Well, being (completely) drunk doesn’t absolve you from all responsibility.

Not the victim and certainly not the perpetrator.

My coworker has this saying: „In a perfect world, I could drink from the toilet bowl.“

It’s not a perfect world, and we have to adjust to that.

Some more than others, admittedly - but again, in a perfect world….
Certain behaviours could put a woman at risk, true, however, a crime is a crime. I am sure that if we could get hold of all the files with violence against women, you would see that the vast majority of victims were minding their own business or were in normal social interactions. Yeah, even having a drink at a bar, or walking late in the night from somewhere is part of ordinary life and shouldn't transform anyone into a prey.
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Re: Thread split: Safety for women alone in CH

As I said: it does not make the perpetrator any less guilty.

I admit, I never spent much time thinking about how I would get home.

But maybe if I was younger today and went to the "right" wrong places, I might have to actually think more about that these days.

After all, assaults on men aren't unheard of, either.

In any case, often it's just luck or bad luck: being at the wrong place at the wrong time.

I hope society can find a way to make it safer again for everybody. I'm just not sure if that's ever going to happen again - in most cases, it's a one-way street.
Unfortunately.
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Certain behaviours could put a woman at risk, true, however, a crime is a crime. I am sure that if we could get hold of all the files with violence against women, you would see that the vast majority of victims were minding their own business or were in normal social interactions. Yeah, even having a drink at a bar, or walking late in the night from somewhere is part of ordinary life and shouldn't transform anyone into a prey.
Exactly. Risky behaviour is risky behaviour and needs to be addressed.

Taking advantage of someone's vulnerability, even as a result of their stupid risky behaviour, is vile, and where criminal, needs to be prosecuted. "She was being stupid and I took advantage of it" doesn't fly.
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Exactly. Risky behaviour is risky behaviour and needs to be addressed.

Taking advantage of someone's vulnerability, even as a result of their stupid risky behaviour, is vile, and where criminal, needs to be prosecuted. "She was being stupid and I took advantage of it" doesn't fly.
I'm not down with this idea of 'risky behaviour' at all. In a civilised society, people should not be prey for each other, regardless of how they behave. Shakira in a Barcelona park with a wild boar is notable exception and a whole new level , but unless you live close to wolves and other animals who may be predators, we shouldn't need to modify our behaviour. We do, but we shouldn't have to and that's what needs to be broken.

Case in point....
My mum drilled it in to me from being about 7 or 8yrs old, to always walk on the side of the road facing oncoming traffic so that a car can't kerb crawl alongside me. It's second nature to me now.

The last time I was kerb crawled (in the UK), it was 19:30ish, I was walking quarter of a mile from the train station to my car in snow, wearing hiking boots, Yaktrax, a full length coat, trapper hat and a scarf around my nose and mouth. Only my eyes were visible. The guy did a U turn and kerb crawled facing oncoming traffic. I ignored his requests to get in his car "to get warm" until we reached a stretch of road where I knew we were in sight of a CCTV camera at the traffic lights, then told him to f off in no uncertain terms.

I reported the incident to the police when I got home, gave a very good description of him, which was easy because he was the double of a well known tv character, and gave half of his car reg. Several months later, he was arrested and sentenced for the attempted abduction of a 14yr old girl walking home from school in broad daylight.

Nothing about my, or that girl's behaviour could possibly be considered to be 'risky'. It was a part of normal daily life. You can avoid all possible risks till kingdom come, but it's not enough to stop the behaviour of a tiny section of predatory people. The fault, blame and behaviour issues lie entirely at their door, not ours!
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