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Where to get firewood and cooking wood - Vaud.

Hi All,

As always, folks here have been a great help, and so yet another question.

We will be moving into our new place in December, and yesterday I heard that our container from Japan is scheduled to hit Antwerp around 20 November, meaning that it should hopefully arrive at our house around the same time we get it. Yay!

One of our main reasons for getting a house with a yard, and a little distance from the neighbors, was because of my barbecue machine. This is not what most folks think of when they think of a barbecue, it's much bigger, much bigger, don't believe me, go click on the link... yes, it's 920 pounds (420 kg) and makes beautiful things. https://langbbqsmokers.com/smoker-co...-deluxe-patio/

Anyway, it likes wood best, in the US I would feed it oak, maple, cherry, apple, hickory, mesquite, and others. In Japan, I fed it mainly cherry, apple, and oak. Now I'm starting to look for a good wood seller. In Indonesia, it usually had oak, and some other fruit woods. The size of the wood isn't as important to me as is the quality - should be well seasoned and dry. Unseasoned or damp wood is usually smokey and doesn't make as clean a fire, which makes the food taste nowhere near as good.

Also we will have a fireplace in the new house, and while I am not adverse to some hard work and busting some logs down to size, I won't have any on my property, so I need some. Again, I can age and season it myself for next year, but we'd like some fires this year.

So, has anyone got a good wood source that they can share with me? I'd like to talk with the supplier, often the good guys are obsessive about their wood, and can tell you not only the type, and where and when they cut it, but they can also measure the dryness and such. Often really good pizza places that use wood have a good source, so even a lead such as "This guy in Nyon/Gland/Le Vaud/Lausanne/Morges/Coppett/where ever, makes great pizzas in his wood burning oven," can help me a lot. In Indonesia, I tracked down my wood supply through an Italian who raved about pizza made by some folks in a little village about two hours outside the city.

Of course, once we are set up (and find a good butcher - expect that question soon enough), those who've us helped so far can expect an invite for lunch or dinner with my thanks!

The biggest thing... no pine or conifer wood please!
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Re: Where to get firewood and cooking wood - Vaud.

Run of the mill firewood here, for a fireplace, is usually beech. Available everywhere, from Landi, B/H, Hornbach, etc. A Ster - which I think is a cubic meter - is the best value if you have some place to store it covered, but you can find boxes of 5, 10, 15 kg at the above places.

If you are looking for specialty woods, hold on to your hat. Or more appropriately, your wallet. Hard to find, and expensive. During 'grill season' you can find bags of applewood chips from Weber at places like B/H and Hornbach at reasonable prices, but logs are another matter.

You might contact your local Forstamt - in some places the guys who manage the forests also sell wood. They might not have the specialty wood you are looking for but they might know where to find it.

Hopefully things are different across the Rostigraben, and that someone in your area will have suggestions.

Or maybe PM EF's King of Smokin', St2Lemans. If anyone knows smoking stuff, it's Tom.

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A word of caution, though. Have you checked that smoking is not only allowed by your landlord but that your neighbors are also OK with it?

This is likely a local thing - hopefully - but where I live if one fires up the smoker the first to show up at the BBQ will be the police, called by the neighbors. We can't even grill on gas outside anymore, despite doing so in private garden well away from neighbors. The first whiff of smoke, any smell at all, and it's post-it notes at the ready.

True story: We bought a new grill that happens to have a smoker attached. Knowing our neighbors we certainly did not plan on using the smoker, but it came with the model we wanted for other features. Well, the neighbor called the police before we even finished setting up the grill, let alone use it. The smoker is now an expensive plant stand.

Yes, strictly speaking grilling outside and/or smoking is allowed, or at least not forbidden, except in drought conditions. Nonetheless, any cooking aroma may be an offense to some Swiss sensibilities. Add in the visual of a happy middle aged man BBQ'ing, as seen through twitched curtains, and the Geraniumpolizei spring into action.

Hopefully YMMV, and you'll be fine grilling, smoking, and BBQing in the more relaxed Romandie.
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A word of caution, though. Have you checked that smoking is not only allowed by your landlord but that your neighbors are also OK with it?

This is likely a local thing - hopefully - but where I live if one fires up the smoker the first to show up at the BBQ will be the police, called by the neighbors. We can't even grill on gas outside anymore, despite doing so in private garden well away from neighbors. The first whiff of smoke, any smell at all, and it's post-it notes at the ready.

True story: We bought a new grill that happens to have a smoker attached. Knowing our neighbors we certainly did not plan on using the smoker, but it came with the model we wanted for other features. Well, the neighbor called the police before we even finished setting up the grill, let alone use it. The smoker is now an expensive plant stand.

Yes, strictly speaking grilling outside and/or smoking is allowed, or at least not forbidden, except in drought conditions. Nonetheless, any cooking aroma may be an offense to some Swiss sensibilities. Add in the visual of a happy middle aged man BBQ'ing, as seen through twitched curtains, and the Geraniumpolizei spring into action.

Hopefully YMMV, and you'll be fine grilling, smoking, and BBQing in the more relaxed Romandie.
We've got a huge chunk of land - our neighbors are a forrest and stream. There's a campground nearby where we saw plenty of folks cooking over a fire, and even seeing our house from the road is pretty much impossible...
I appreciate the advice, as that's very much what our experience in Japan was with the police constantly being called, and then constantly leaving because no laws were being broken. In looking for this place, a huge part of the search included making sure that there are no windows other than our own looking at the yard. Both landlords that accepted us were fine with it, including the response, "If you cook something, I will be by with wine." So keeping my fingers crossed.
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Yes, strictly speaking grilling outside and/or smoking is allowed, or at least not forbidden, except in drought conditions. Nonetheless, any cooking aroma may be an offense to some Swiss sensibilities. Add in the visual of a happy middle aged man BBQ'ing, as seen through twitched curtains, and the Geraniumpolizei spring into action.
I think I'm adapting to the local passive-progressiveness. When I cook something from home, I turn on the filter in the kitchen, keep windows closed, etc. When it's fondue or raclette, I ensure the couple of local Aargauers not that fond of cheese living in the flat above get the aroma. So, eat with the raclette machine in the balcony and maybe leave a bit of cheese in there too long and accidentally burn it. What can they do? Complain about the smell of Swiss cheese?
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Re: Where to get firewood and cooking wood - Vaud.

Some communes offer good deals on firewood, so could be worth ckecking.

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https://www.ferme-lapiece.ch/bois-de-cheminee.html

http://www.fermedemachefer.ch/fr/bois-cheminee.php

http://www.bois-chauffage.ch/

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We've got a huge chunk of land - our neighbors are a forrest and stream. There's a campground nearby where we saw plenty of folks cooking over a fire, and even seeing our house from the road is pretty much impossible...
I appreciate the advice, as that's very much what our experience in Japan was with the police constantly being called, and then constantly leaving because no laws were being broken. In looking for this place, a huge part of the search included making sure that there are no windows other than our own looking at the yard. Both landlords that accepted us were fine with it, including the response, "If you cook something, I will be by with wine." So keeping my fingers crossed.

You are very, very fortunate MattyRedSocks.


And this BBQ-deprived American is very jealous.
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You are very, very fortunate MattyRedSocks.
Yes. I definitely am. I really recognize this.

I have also tried to make some of the good fortune happen. Years before we made the move to Switzerland, I started doing my research. I did the same for Indonesia, but as I had lived in Japan several decades ago, being fluent in Japanese, and my wife being a citizen there, I didn't do my research for our past decade there. I realized too late that folks there had stopped talking to neighbors and used the police now. Big mistake. I would have lived further out in the countryside.

Of course then people started to tell me that the "Swiss are the Japanese of Europe," which made me chuckle as I have lived amongst the Japanese of Japan. It also made me realize that I had better A. really do my homework and research before coming, and B. be prepared to have some learning curve and occasional frustrations along the way, because "that's the way things are done here."

Anyone who follows my Facebook and Instagram accounts can see that we've been remarkably lucky and successful so far with our move, but we've also encountered some hiccups - but most of the main problems that new folks encounter have been things that I heard about in advance, and have planned for - so we are able to adjust, or even better, the bad stuff hasn't happened - it wasn't bad, just different!

It's still the honeymoon, but so far the worst three things that have happened have been a delay in getting our cellphones (CdL coupled with the unavailability of many iPhones as the new one was just released, but there was a work around in getting a local number for school), having our daughter enrolled in a higher grade than we had hoped (Swiss public schools are very strict about ages and the cut offs, so our daughter who was used to being one of the older kids in class is now one of the younger ones - but she's adjusted well and loves school), and one sour expat here who inexplicably groans at my posts about television and electronics research (but that led to a few PMs from some genuinely helpful folks who gave me really solid advice, assistance, and help on other topics that has been truly beneficial). So, in short, nothing to complain about, and we knew that two of the three were just how things happen in Switzerland.

Finding this forum as well as getting advice from both expats and Swiss friends before making our move has really made us lucky. I am fortunate. And I am appreciative! PM me and I'll get you some barbecue when we are settled in.

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Re: Where to get firewood and cooking wood - Vaud.

What's already been mentioned aside, perhaps see here (the first row shows the Canton shorthands, VD is for Vaud where you're moving to), some woodies do pieces/bûches.

I guess environnement2000.ch is one you'll be very interested in, a friend used to get excellent service. While oak, beech, and hornbeam are their default wood types for bbq and cheminee sizes, occasionally their supplies may allow them to broaden their offer (especially with long lead times)(says said friend).

Other than that I'd search on anibis.ch (seems to have better reach in the Romandie) or tutti.ch (or ricardo.ch). But with a smoker like that you probably embrace a broad variety of woods, you're more likely to get that special bit of service (assuming it's doable) if you bring your entire business to the woodies of your choice (or the people they steer you to upon request).
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How much are you willing to pollute the air with your "barbecue machine"?
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Re: Where to get firewood and cooking wood - Vaud.

I was gonna say Coop, since they have firewood ready when winter comes, then I saw your 'monster' and I guess as some mentioned, places like Landi (there's one on the outskirts of Nyon) may have better 'food' for your cooker, and also, as mentioned, please do check that this won't be an issue with neighbors.

One winter I met a bunch of friends that decided to have BBQ, and settled on a large courtyard. The cops came quickly and told us the smoke will not be tolerated by the families in the buildings around us. Whilst the homes and their windows were +20m away from us, we complied and carried everything down to the river. They take these things quite seriously here, at least in cantons of Geneva and Vaud.

I'm sure you'll find a supplier of the good stuff, enjoy the cooking!
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Quite a few farmers deal in firewood in these parts. There are some sawmills and a fair amount of wood trade the closer you get to the Jura. Many of the communes at the foot of the Jura own the forests, forest rights, or license it. Basically take a drive toward and up the Jura and you'll find many places offering firewood for sale, the more rural the better.
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What's already been mentioned aside, perhaps see here (the first row shows the Canton shorthands, VD is for Vaud where you're moving to), some woodies do pieces/bûches.

I guess environnement2000.ch is one you'll be very interested in, a friend used to get excellent service. While oak, beech, and hornbeam are their default wood types for bbq and cheminee sizes, occasionally their supplies may allow them to broaden their offer (especially with long lead times)(says said friend).

Other than that I'd search on anibis.ch (seems to have better reach in the Romandie) or tutti.ch (or ricardo.ch). But with a smoker like that you probably embrace a broad variety of woods, you're more likely to get that special bit of service (assuming it's doable) if you bring your entire business to the woodies of your choice (or the people they steer you to upon request).
Some really good stuff here! Thank you! 12% humidity! That's a nice clean smoke. Fantastic.
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Quite a few farmers deal in firewood in these parts. There are some sawmills and a fair amount of wood trade the closer you get to the Jura. Many of the communes at the foot of the Jura own the forests, forest rights, or license it. Basically take a drive toward and up the Jura and you'll find many places offering firewood for sale, the more rural the better.
Good to know. I had assumed so, but when living in Japan, I had tried the same thing, but most of the wood guys there knew nothing about the wood they had and were even less interested in selling any... they just mulched it and left it in piles to wash into the nearby rivers, choking out the fish and such.
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Run of the mill firewood here, for a fireplace, is usually beech. Available everywhere, from Landi, B/H, Hornbach, etc. A Ster - which I think is a cubic meter - is the best value if you have some place to store it covered, but you can find boxes of 5, 10, 15 kg at the above places.

If you are looking for specialty woods, hold on to your hat. Or more appropriately, your wallet. Hard to find, and expensive. During 'grill season' you can find bags of applewood chips from Weber at places like B/H and Hornbach at reasonable prices, but logs are another matter.

You might contact your local Forstamt - in some places the guys who manage the forests also sell wood. They might not have the specialty wood you are looking for but they might know where to find it.

Hopefully things are different across the Rostigraben, and that someone in your area will have suggestions.

Or maybe PM EF's King of Smokin', St2Lemans. If anyone knows smoking stuff, it's Tom.

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A word of caution, though. Have you checked that smoking is not only allowed by your landlord but that your neighbors are also OK with it?

This is likely a local thing - hopefully - but where I live if one fires up the smoker the first to show up at the BBQ will be the police, called by the neighbors. We can't even grill on gas outside anymore, despite doing so in private garden well away from neighbors. The first whiff of smoke, any smell at all, and it's post-it notes at the ready.

True story: We bought a new grill that happens to have a smoker attached. Knowing our neighbors we certainly did not plan on using the smoker, but it came with the model we wanted for other features. Well, the neighbor called the police before we even finished setting up the grill, let alone use it. The smoker is now an expensive plant stand.

Yes, strictly speaking grilling outside and/or smoking is allowed, or at least not forbidden, except in drought conditions. Nonetheless, any cooking aroma may be an offense to some Swiss sensibilities. Add in the visual of a happy middle aged man BBQ'ing, as seen through twitched curtains, and the Geraniumpolizei spring into action.

Hopefully YMMV, and you'll be fine grilling, smoking, and BBQing in the more relaxed Romandie.
Once again, I‘m amazed by the difference in attitude between your village (neighbours?) and ours, despite being so close. When we rented in Pfäffikon we checked with the landlord before moving in that it was ok to have a coal barbecue and he just said don‘t go wild with a smoker. We had party noise complaints a couple of times, but never complaints about the smoke. Where we live now I have an upgraded version of a big green egg on my terrace, next to a Weber kettle and have a chiminee in the garden. Plenty of long slow brisket, pulled pork, rib cooks on top of the usual steaks and the only complaint I‘ve had is from the Brazilian neighbour that I don‘t do it often enough!

OP I‘ve bought a variety of wood chunks, chips, pellets and logs over the last 3 years. Sadly the stock seems to rotate a lot or never never come back

I haven‘t used this place yet as I have enough fruit wood, but when I run out, I will be trying them.

https://www.firewoodshop.ch/produkt-...olz/wood-logs/

I also got hickory from here. Interesting to see the price has gone up 25% since I bought 18 months ago

https://www.grillando.ch/Hickory-Sch...z-ca-10-KG-Box

If you are burning pure wood, then I guess those prices are going to be a bit steep! I use restaurant grade charcoal (bought from Aligro) and throw a few logs on.

For American BBQ meat cuts I‘ve found www.meat4you.ch to be very good i.e. they sell full packer briskets, Boston butts etc (although Aligro also do full packers much cheaper, you just need to know what you are looking for).

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This is likely a local thing - hopefully - but where I live if one fires up the smoker the first to show up at the BBQ will be the police, called by the neighbors. We can't even grill on gas outside anymore, despite doing so in private garden well away from neighbors. The first whiff of smoke, any smell at all, and it's post-it notes at the ready.
Just curious. What is the complaint when they call the police? And what do the police say?

There were some tips here: https://www.beobachter.ch/wohnen/nac...auf-dem-balkon

but i think you're being too meek with your neighbours.

i would just bait them: cook some sausages indoors and then set-up the BBQ outside. pretend to grill the sausages and wait for them to call the police.

enjoy your picnic in the garden when the police arrive and question why the neighbours are complaining about smell when there obviously aren't any.

repeat this a few times until they don't call. then do the switcheroo and actually use coals or whatever next time.
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Just curious. What is the complaint when they call the police? And what do the police say?

There were some tips here: https://www.beobachter.ch/wohnen/nac...auf-dem-balkon

but i think you're being too meek with your neighbours.
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Once again, I‘m amazed by the difference in attitude between your village (neighbours?) and ours, despite being so close. When we rented in Pfäffikon we checked with the landlord before moving in that it was ok to have a coal barbecue and he just said don‘t go wild with a smoker. We had party noise complaints a couple of times, but never complaints about the smoke. Where we live now I have an upgraded version of a big green egg on my terrace, next to a Weber kettle and have a chiminee in the garden. Plenty of long slow brisket, pulled pork, rib cooks on top of the usual steaks and the only complaint I‘ve had is from the Brazilian neighbour that I don‘t do it often enough!

OP I‘ve bought a variety of wood chunks, chips, pellets and logs over the last 3 years. Sadly the stock seems to rotate a lot or never never come back

I haven‘t used this place yet as I have enough fruit wood, but when I run out, I will be trying them.

https://www.firewoodshop.ch/produkt-...olz/wood-logs/

I also got hickory from here. Interesting to see the price has gone up 25% since I bought 18 months ago

https://www.firewoodshop.ch/produkt-...olz/wood-logs/

If you are burning pure wood, then I guess those prices are going to be a bit steep! I use restaurant grade charcoal (bought from Aligro) and throw a few logs on.

For American BBQ meat cuts I‘ve found www.meat4you.ch to be very good i.e. they sell full packer briskets, Boston butts etc (although Aligro also do full packers much cheaper, you just need to know what you are looking for).
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Just curious. What is the complaint when they call the police? And what do the police say?
I may be wrong here (I'm sure Meloncollie will put me right!) but from her tales of woe, it would appear that there are one or two neighbours who are the ring-leaders or trouble-makers and the others simply don't have the backbone to stand up to them.

I'm surprised as well (which makes me think it's a sign of more serious problems of some people being in other people's pockets, financially or otherwise), that the Police aren't charging these neighbours with wasting Police time with false call-outs.
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