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Well, my 10-year old knows that sex is "something" and I think he's aware now that it involves those parts of the body, but I don't think he really knows what exactly happens with those parts or how babies are made or anything. We haven't had that talk with him yet. I guess they did have one day in school last year where they talked about those "parts" somewhat, but I'm not sure they really talked about sex. I think age 10 is a bit young for that, no?
Erm no. I can't remember what age I knew the basics but I was younger than 10. My parents bought me a picture book that explained it ALL for kids.
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Re: Pub Question: School Changing Rooms

I'm gonna judge here:

What a disservice to any child not to know factual, informative human anatomy (let alone one on, or around people on, the brink of puberty)!

In addition to understanding and accepting what is healthy, and even supporting those around them when necessary, I could see the imminent ridiculous situation where they make incorrect statements and become the butt of all jokes (pun for added peer pressure - education is important).
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Re: Pub Question: School Changing Rooms

Why is sex so taboo, why does nobody want to disucss it, lets face it, we all got here the same way, boy meets girl, girl meets boy +++
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I'm gonna judge here:

What a disservice to any child not to know factual, informative human anatomy (let alone one on, or around people on, the brink of puberty)!

In addition to understanding and accepting what is healthy, and even supporting those around them when necessary, I could see the imminent ridiculous situation where they make incorrect statements and become the butt of all jokes (pun for added peer pressure - education is important).
Not sure what to make of this.
Are you arguing for mixed dressing rooms for all school years? Plus mixed showers as you can't realistically have one without the other.
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Re: Pub Question: School Changing Rooms

Wasn't arguing the mix of anything but pointing out the apparent lack of (mature/educated) discussion with a 10yo and them not having adequate info about their own bodies as well as as all the kinds of human bodies that exist out there.

I thought I was being clear enough, but I blame it on the migraine if not.
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Wasn't arguing the mix of anything but pointing out the apparent lack of (mature/educated) discussion with a 10yo and them not having adequate info about their own bodies as well as as all the kinds of human bodies that exist out there.

I thought I was being clear enough, but I blame it on the migraine if not.
I think what Urs Max may have been pointing out, is that we are all trying our very best to stay on topic nowadays . You are by no-means the only culprit! The topic (for all EFers) is:

“Settle a debate from the pub...

Is it true that public schools in Switzerland have mixed-gender/coed changing rooms? If so - until what age?”
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Re: Pub Question: School Changing Rooms

The only time I have seen unisex changing facilities is the swimming baths at Zurich Altstetten. They have “family changing” - I used it once when taking NickatBaselJnr for swimming lessons and the lockers in the mens’ changing room were all taken.

Did I find it creepy / odd? All customers were dads / mums more intent on getting the kids changed than using the chance to have an ogle.

NickatBaselJnr tells us school changing facilities in Stadt ZH are single sex.
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Why is sex so taboo, why does nobody want to disucss it, lets face it, we all got here the same way, boy meets girl, girl meets boy +++
Thankfully, it is not nearly as taboo as it used to be. Many people do discuss it, as adults with one another, and - in appropriate contexts - with children.

Some years ago a child I knew, aged about 8 then, asked me questions, and I checked with the parents whether it was okay to speak openly. "Yes, please do! I've explained it a few times over the years, but the child seems to be missing some part of understanding, and I can't see what it is. Maybe some part that you say will join the dots." It worked... so the mother told me, later, so that their conversations could then progress. No big deal, neither for the mother, nor for me.

I agree with FunnyBone that children should know the correct names for their own sexual organs and those of the other sex, too, and their natural functioning. And not wait to suddenly discover the drawings and vocabulary in a biology text-book, at age 15. A part of feeling sovereign in one's own body includes being able to speak about its parts, whether to tell a friend, a psychologist, a doctor or a lover what is going on.

Back to changerooms: Whether or not those at school or those in a public swimming-pool are separate or mixed, sooner or later - especially in Switzerland, as opposed to other countries where this might constitute public indecency - one is bound to see someone strip naked (mostly discretely, but still with visible genitals) at the side of the lake, in Summer, taking off their work clothes to change into their swimming gear to wade into the water, and then again later, to get dressed.
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Back to changerooms: Whether or not those at school or those in a public swimming-pool are separate or mixed, sooner or later - especially in Switzerland, as opposed to other countries where this might constitute public indecency - one is bound to see someone strip naked (mostly discretely, but still with visible genitals) at the side of the lake, in Summer, taking off their work clothes to change into their swimming gear to wade into the water, and then again later, to get dressed.
That for sure, and I am certain that most parents have dealt with “those sort of things” as soon as they came up. If not, then the school. In my personal experience, the schools here seem to do a pretty good job.

My daughter accepted that her Daddy was Daddy at a really early age, and never questioned why her Mummy now loved another potential Mummy quite a few years ago. (Mummy has been very happy just being Me and Mummy since the past few years).

No need for discussion, just the way children experience, and accept things. And if you do it right, they grow and turn into wonderful adults.

But whether schools should have shared gender changing rooms? The reasoning behind such a theory would need to be complex and justified.
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Old 16.10.2021, 10:06
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Re: Pub Question: School Changing Rooms

In my Canton (St. Gallen) the kids always had separate changing rooms, from the earliest stage of schooling (I don’t remember the need for changing rooms in Kindergarten, but from primary school onwards for certain).
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But whether schools should have shared gender changing rooms? The reasoning behind such a theory would need to be complex and justified.
Of course not, I consider myself very open-minded but I would never be comfortable changing my clothes in a room with other men. The thought of it.
TBH I am not completely comfortable with anyone around, I am a very private person. Why should it be any different for children, and I am not referring to kindergarten children now.
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Of course not, I consider myself very open-minded but I would never be comfortable changing my clothes in a room with other men. The thought of it.
TBH I am not completely comfortable with anyone around, I am a very private person. Why should it be any different for children, and I am not referring to kindergarten children now.
Culture difference. Swiss, Germans, Austrians and Scandinavians seem to have no issues getting naked. British and Americans, not so much.
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Culture difference. Swiss, Germans, Austrians and Scandinavians seem to have no issues getting naked. British and Americans, not so much.

We are taught sex is dirty and should not be spoken about and sex education was problematic for a very long time and nudity was a no go area.


We are now reaping what we sowed, it's changing albeit slowly but as i pointed out, we all got here pretty much the same way.


Sex and sexuality has been in a box far too long and we are all too embarrassed or frighten to talk about it, quite often even to our doctors.


Lets face it, about 50% of us have dangly bits and 50% have slits, there really is very little difference between any of us
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I think what Urs Max may have been pointing out, is that we are all trying our very best to stay on topic nowadays .
I'd have said that directly if I'd meant it.

Nonetheless you're right when you surmise that I saw it in the context of the thread subject. People usually quote to provide context if they don't.
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We are taught sex is dirty and should not be spoken about and sex education was problematic for a very long time and nudity was a no go area.


We are now reaping what we sowed, it's changing albeit slowly but as i pointed out, we all got here pretty much the same way.


Sex and sexuality has been in a box far too long and we are all too embarrassed or frighten to talk about it, quite often even to our doctors.


Lets face it, about 50% of us have dangly bits and 50% have slits, there really is very little difference between any of us
Since internet there are not so many mysteries, are there.

I always felt like I want to protect the innocence of the little ones, but in the same time I know they grow up faster now and the world around us is not the same... I mean I was a complete idiot at my eldest child's age.
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Why is sex so taboo, why does nobody want to disucss it, lets face it, we all got here the same way, boy meets girl, girl meets boy +++
Possibly not nowadays.
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Possibly not nowadays.

Lets say 99% them Tom, if you really want to split hairs.


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Of course not, I consider myself very open-minded but I would never be comfortable changing my clothes in a room with other men. The thought of it.
TBH I am not completely comfortable with anyone around, I am a very private person. Why should it be any different for children, and I am not referring to kindergarten children now.
Yes, I think this is personal, and/or cultural. Others really don't care one way or another, about who else might be in the room, of whatever gender or age.

Also, it seems to me that, over the decades, the pendulum swings backwards and forwards between more open, easy-going, and more conservative, depending on the local socio-political climate.
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Lets say 99% them Tom, if you really want to split hairs.


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You're missing my point but never mind...
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You're missing my point but never mind...
When you think it's more or less a common procedure these days...
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