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Pub Question: School Changing Rooms

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Is it true that public schools in Switzerland have mixed-gender/coed changing rooms? If so - until what age?
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Re: Pub Question: School Changing Rooms

This may vary depending on location but I just asked my son and he says they always had single sex changing rooms.
He was 10 when we moved here so that covers the last two years if primary and the whole of secondary school here. They may have had mixed changing rooms in the younger classes, I don’t know about those.
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Settle a debate from the pub...

Is it true that public schools in Switzerland have mixed-gender/coed changing rooms? If so - until what age?
Amateurs.

The correct answer was and always will be: "It varies from canton to canton."
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Re: Pub Question: School Changing Rooms

The way the youngsters dress these days, would it make a difference?
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Re: Pub Question: School Changing Rooms

In Vaud, for the first two years of school (école enfantine, or 1P-2P), mixed-gender kids may change together and share a room at camp. But this varies from school to school, and some have separate changing rooms from the start.

Sharing is however useful for the poor teacher who has to help some kids change into their gym clothes (why parents don't teach that to their kids prior to starting school is beyond me, but that's another debate!).
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The correct answer was and always will be: "It varies from canton to canton."
So are there cantons that have mixed-gender changing rooms beyond primary?
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So are there cantons that have mixed-gender changing rooms beyond primary?
Probably yes, but definitely not for 16 year olds - if that's what you mean.
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So are there cantons that have mixed-gender changing rooms beyond primary?

As of 10 years old, i very much doubt it today, kids begin maturing early, 10 years old the girls start growing chest lumps !!
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Re: Pub Question: School Changing Rooms

Maybe it's different in other cantons, but we're in canton Zurich, and my son is now ten years old and in the 4th grade. I don't think he's ever shared changing rooms with the girls in his class(es). I think that would be a very creepy thing to require kids to do.
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Maybe it's different in other cantons, but we're in canton Zurich, and my son is now ten years old and in the 4th grade. I don't think he's ever shared changing rooms with the girls in his class(es). I think that would be a very creepy thing to require kids to do.
Out of interest, why do you say that?
When I was a young child in the UK, I guess up to age 10, we usually had separate changing rooms for sport, but on occasion changed together for things like swimming.

It's not really strange (or certainly not creepy) for kids who don't yet understand the birds and the bees.
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Maybe it's different in other cantons, but we're in canton Zurich, and my son is now ten years old and in the 4th grade. I don't think he's ever shared changing rooms with the girls in his class(es). I think that would be a very creepy thing to require kids to do.
To be fair, it often simply depends on the infrastructure available. For example, there is (was? I haven't been for a while) a weird setup at the Riedtli indoor pool in Zurich: The changing rooms have a connecting middle bit but showers and places to hang the clothes are separate. I used to go there for Aquafit classes from the ASVZ (Academic Sports Club) as per the recommendation of my physiotherapist, and there was always that ONE older guy who took part in the classes that were pretty much a women-only thing.

Since we were more women than there were showers, a few of us decided "sod it, I'm not waiting until there is space on the ladies' side" and just joined the solitary dude on the "men's side". I suspect that was part of his plan, because he really did take a tremendously long time to shower and get dressed as well as completely ignoring the unspoken rule of "look down or at the wall, not ahead or directly at people" . Oh well, nothing new under the sun, at least we firmly had safety in numbers, creepers gonna creep.

Some schools solve this sort of "architectural impropriety issue" by alternating when the older kids have swimming classes and when they have normal sports. Since most of the sports infrastructure is designed with a multi-generational use in mind, it's not that common to have a mixed setup.
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Out of interest, why do you say that?
When I was a young child in the UK, I guess up to age 10, we usually had separate changing rooms for sport, but on occasion changed together for things like swimming.

It's not really strange (or certainly not creepy) for kids who don't yet understand the birds and the bees.



Kids at 10 now understand about birds and bees thanks to the internet
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Re: Pub Question: School Changing Rooms

This sounds like a lot like myths and legends nobody can actually substantiate. Of course schools are a cantonal matter, but that doesn't necessarily result in different practices.

I'm (positive but) not entirely sure about my primary years 1-3, but we (the entire grade) definitely had separate changing rooms at all times from the 4th year. And that's ~45 years ago, in comparatively poor Thurgau.

So can someone give me a few real life examples from today where boys and girls share changing rooms by design? Let alone showers?
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Amateurs.

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Out of interest, why do you say that?
When I was a young child in the UK, I guess up to age 10, we usually had separate changing rooms for sport, but on occasion changed together for things like swimming.

It's not really strange (or certainly not creepy) for kids who don't yet understand the birds and the bees.
It's not necessarily just about whether or not kids that age understand the birds and the bees. Kids that age can be perverts. My son (now 10) doesn't really understand what sex is yet, exactly, but for example, he came home from school the other day and did something that he obviously learned at school from another kid: He took one hand and made a hole and then with his other hand, kept putting his finger in and out of the "hole" he had made with his other hand (to imitate sex, obviously).

Like I said, kids that age can be pervs. They can also be very self-conscious around kids of the opposite sex, and I think it would be very uncomfortable for my son if he had to get naked and change into his swimsuit in front of the girls in his class, etc.
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My son (now 10) doesn't really understand what sex is yet, exactly,
... "exactly", okay, but I'd have thought that, by 10, many children nowadays would know about sex, anatomically, at least "more or less".

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Like I said, kids ... can also be very self-conscious around kids of the opposite sex, and I think it would be very uncomfortable for my son if he had to get naked and change into his swimsuit in front of the girls in his class, etc.
That's interesting. I think self-consciousness about nudity and dressing and undressing, for swimming, is probably, at least in part, a social construct. Do you think it would be your son himself, or you, or his class-mates, who would find it very uncomfortable?
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Re: Pub Question: School Changing Rooms

There are recently projects for gender neutral WC’s in Kantonschulen - but have never heard of changing rooms being communal (that would be pretty stupid).

Here some links to all info:

https://mannschaft.com/genderneutral...schuelerinnen/

https://www.tagesanzeiger.ch/schule-...n-769725042790

Most browsers have the possibility to translate the articles into English
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... "exactly", okay, but I'd have thought that, by 10, many children nowadays would know about sex, anatomically, at least "more or less".


That's interesting. I think self-consciousness about nudity and dressing and undressing, for swimming, is probably, at least in part, a social construct. Do you think it would be your son himself, or you, or his class-mates, who would find it very uncomfortable?
Well, my 10-year old knows that sex is "something" and I think he's aware now that it involves those parts of the body, but I don't think he really knows what exactly happens with those parts or how babies are made or anything. We haven't had that talk with him yet. I guess they did have one day in school last year where they talked about those "parts" somewhat, but I'm not sure they really talked about sex. I think age 10 is a bit young for that, no? It was funny, though. He came home from school that day and said: "Today, we learned about THAT" and then pointed down to his "chililino" (as we call it here in our Italian household).

My son is a bit self-conscious around girls in his class in general now, so I think having to get naked in front of any of them would be embarrassing for him. Besides, we have had to teach him that he needs to be modest in that regard, because (for example), one day when he was about 1 1/2 years old, he pulled out his "chililino" in some guy's face in Migros. (I was so embarrassed, I was tempted to walk away and pretend he wasn't my kid!)
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Like I said, kids that age can be pervs. They can also be very self-conscious around kids of the opposite sex, and I think it would be very uncomfortable for my son if he had to get naked and change into his swimsuit in front of the girls in his class, etc.
Probably a good life lesson for him to have to do it, to de-mystify the female species and perhaps when he's older he'll be more comfortable with it.

I'm not sure you can truly be a perv until you come "of age"/go through puberty - at your son's age it is pure curiosity.
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Re: Pub Question: School Changing Rooms

At Primary school in UK we didn't even have a changing room, we changed for PE, boys and girls together in the classroom. Age 11 we went to single sex secondary schools, ironically then we had changing rooms.
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