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Huge power crisis looms in Switzerland..

https://www.swissinfo.ch/eng/swiss-c...tages/47034548

"A power shortage is, next to a pandemic, the greatest threat to Switzerland's supply," Economics Minister Guy Parmelin says in a video posted on the website of the Organisation for Electricity Supply in Extraordinary Situations

Thinking selfishly (almost immediately). …hope I‘ll be able to charge my car





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Re: Huge power crisis looms in Switzerland..

A good reason to keep an ICE
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Re: Huge power crisis looms in Switzerland..

Not that bad. It's an ongoing negotiation to buy electricity from EU countries around CH. If the negotiation fails, problems by 2025.

In the worst case, CH would have to keep the 3 nuclear power plants operational and even build a new one. Thinking shelfishly, these are great news
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Re: Huge power crisis looms in Switzerland..

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A good reason to keep an ICE
And the nuclear power plants,

Fortunately we are net exporters of electricity, so no worries here.

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A good reason to keep an ICE
Or a hybrid
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In the worst case, CH would have to keep the 3 nuclear power plants operational and even build a new one. Thinking shelfishly, these are great news
Not sure about a 4th Nuclear plant, they take 10 odd years to build and maybe longer with supply chain and raw material delays..
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And the nuclear power plants,

Fortunately we are net exporters of electricity, so no worries here.

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During days where the snow melts. Hydropower production capacity reduces during the cold period called Winter.

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Not sure about a 4th Nuclear plant, they take 10 odd years to build and maybe longer with supply chain and raw material delays..
Me neither, it's only a dream about having a secure job until early retirement

The situation in the words of Guy Parmelin:

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Re: Huge power crisis looms in Switzerland..

Just mandate that all new construction generates 120% (on average) of their consumption. Incentive to both reduce consumption and for solar panels etc.
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Re: Huge power crisis looms in Switzerland..

For a start turn off half the street lights between say midnight and 5am.

Mandate a physical on/off switch on TV's. I read somewhere Europe needs 3 power stations just to power all the telly's on standby!

Turn down the heating in department stores, airports, etc. The staff can always put on a jersey or a jacket.

Make more night shifts possible. We used to run a 4pm to midnight shift which was very popular. No rush hour traffic to contend with. You could be in bed by 1am, get your 7 hours sleep and then had the daytime free. We also benefited as we didn't have to give time off for doctor/dentist/bank visits.

It's all matter of adapting, which unfortunately Swiss are not very good at!!
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Exactly, and insulate properly. Massive amounts are currently wasted- a shortage will concentrate the minds!
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Just mandate that all new construction generates 120% (on average) of their consumption. Incentive to both reduce consumption and for solar panels etc.
The problem is less the volume, much more the seasonality and peak hours.

PV produces 100% during the summerdays, nothing during nights and little in the winter, no PV production in the winter months from 5pm thru 7am. A given setup may meet your overall requirements but it does far from enough to solve the problem of peak demand in the winter.
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Re: Huge power crisis looms in Switzerland..

Solar panels continue to produce electricity right through winter above the 'sea of fog' - like the Jura above 800m.
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Re: Huge power crisis looms in Switzerland..

According to the numbers from the CH Federal statistics office, 6.9% of homes have electricity as their main room heating source for winter. Also ~33% of homes have electricity as main energy source to produce hot water. Not sure if the best use of electricity is pass through a resistance to warm up a home or water for the shower https://www.bfs.admin.ch/bfs/en/home...rgy-field.html

From a business perspective, great days ahead for engineers if the local population has to scrap the bottom of the barrel: even smaller hydro power plants, near surface geothermal, district heating. Also, I just read about the craziness of building 2'000 small natural gas power plants. Whatever path is chosen, good days for engineers. And as usual, not enough of local trained workers to face this challenge, so.....more immigrants https://www.20min.ch/story/bund-kann...n-574454424122
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Maybe this is an incentive for the government to further increase their subsidies for solar power installations.
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My nice ICE is a hybrid.
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For a start turn off half the street lights between say midnight and 5am.
Or all the church bells that ring every 15 mins 24 / 7 / 365
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Re: Huge power crisis looms in Switzerland..

Amazingly naive, many posts here. The issue is mainly a winter one (when Switzerland has a large deficit) and a reliability / capacity one. No intermittent technology will solve this, although of course all roofs should have solar panels. What is needed is a healthy mix of (1) own baseload capacity, i.e. nuclear and maybe some gas, (2) full integration with the EU market, i.e. ensure tradability and access to external capacity, and (3) maximize build out of storage, i.e. hydro reservoirs.
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Solar panels continue to produce electricity right through winter above the 'sea of fog' - like the Jura above 800m.



They don't if they have snow on them
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Amazingly naive, many posts here. The issue is mainly a winter one (when Switzerland has a large deficit) and a reliability / capacity one. No intermittent technology will solve this, although of course all roofs should have solar panels. What is needed is a healthy mix of (1) own baseload capacity, i.e. nuclear and maybe some gas, (2) full integration with the EU market, i.e. ensure tradability and access to external capacity, and (3) maximize build out of storage, i.e. hydro reservoirs.
Well, there are different scenarios:

https://www.tagesanzeiger.ch/schon-i...n-267308160454

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Maybe this is an incentive for the government to further increase their subsidies for solar power installations.

They are already very generous on my 14 KW installation i paid Chf 28k and got Chf 7.25k subsidy, so about 25%
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