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Re: Ukraine Refugees already in Switzerland: Practical Tips

In job-room.ch, indeed.ch and tutti.ch, consider searching on "grundkenntnisse" (basic knowledge) or "grundkenntnisse deutsch" and then review the job ads that are listed for jobs that only require German basic knowledge. Examples from job-room.ch:

Stellen finden (job-room.ch)

Stellen finden (job-room.ch)


Consider searching on "russisch" "ukrainisch" "russian" "ukrainian" in job-room.ch and indeed.ch. Example:

https://ch.indeed.com/jobs?q=russisc...801be14ba611e0


By searching on "sprache" and then reviewing results, this job advertisement was found that does not require any language:

Wir suchen Mitarbeiter Batteriewechsel Zürich in Zürich - tutti.ch


Searching on "keine kenntnisse" resulted in a job at job-room not requiring German:


https://www.job-room.ch/job-search/2...2-621ad02ebcdd
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Old 22.06.2022, 15:33
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Many people think bar work is easy, but it is actually very difficult language wise and with change, etc.
Bar work isn't easy even for people who are familiar with the money and language. It's jolly hard work.
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Old 22.06.2022, 15:49
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Re: Ukraine Refugees already in Switzerland: Practical Tips

Exactly- but language issues make it even harder- even impossible.

There is currently a massive shortage in CH, and the vast majority of restaurants and Hôtels desperate to find decent, experienced staff.
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Old 22.06.2022, 15:51
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Exactly- but language issues make it even harder- even impossible.

There is currently a massive shortage in CH, and the vast majority of restaurants and Hôtels desperate to find decent, experienced staff.
Plus the multiple Swiss dialects....and difficult and unsympathetic customers. My hairdresser used to work as a waitress before and heard many unnecessary comments about her colleagues who could only speak standard German.
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Old 22.06.2022, 15:58
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Re: Ukraine Refugees already in Switzerland: Practical Tips

In our frontalier region, most restaurant/bar workers are from over the border. Same for care homes, clinics. hospitals. This is causing massive headaches on the French side, btw.
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Old 22.06.2022, 17:34
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Today one of our guests asked if she could roll up the rug. "It smell bad".

When she said "Oh well, it's an old rug anyway", I retorted "It's a 10 year old, 4000 franc rug - it's high quality". The thing is, she has form. She complained the margarine smelled bad one time, and none of us could detect anything. I do wonder if that was stress manifesting. But she just put it in the bin without saying anything!

Anyway, I found out an hour or so later - the rug does smell a bit musty (my daughter has a sharper nose than me). Then I found our guests had gone out and done our recycling for us.

I feel such a heel.

Given the equations of what we've done for them, vs what they've done for us, I still feel very happy when they do something for us.
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Given the equations of what we've done for them, vs what they've done for us, I still feel very happy when they do something for us.
I am so sorry to hear this. I hope this is an isolated case...

I have been a refugee as a child. It is not easy to be out of your comfort zone + everything else. Some people are also more particular about details and what's ok for them and some are more easy-going. I am not an easy-going person for example, even small details can disturb me easily and so was for my mother. Plus you have a stress of not knowing what will happen in the near future, you worry about close family members who are in continual risk of death or something else terrible.

Yet none of these are excuses, it is simply unacceptable behavior. After all you are also going out of your comfort zone to do the right thing. Personally I would immediately ask for alternative accommodation saying I want to move them out at earliest convenience. I would not put them in front of the door but would like them out.

I would be very much annoyed and disillusioned if someone is to remove any of my belongings in such a way. For me it is difficult to find a carpet I like. I have similarly priced or more expensive ones and I like them dearly, they are pieces of art I enjoy looking at each time. Hence I really understand you...
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Old 22.06.2022, 19:57
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Re: Ukraine Refugees already in Switzerland: Practical Tips

"Guests, like fish, begin to smell after three days."
I know this from a Czech friend and was almost relieved to hear there is such a saying and it's not only me who had often felt that way. (I come from a place where we are very proud of our hospitality and having someone saying that was like literally seeing a tabu demolished)

Successive refugees crises have left European governments with less and less choices regarding accommodation of the refugees and this solution, hosting families for a relatively long term was prone to bring up little and major discomforts for some, from both sides - hosts and guests.

Ukrainian refugees are expected to blend in and fit in faster than others and that puts a lot of pressure on them and not all of them are able to rise up to the occasion. People adapt differently, people are different even within large groups.
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Old 22.06.2022, 19:58
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Today one of our guests asked if she could roll up the rug. "It smell bad".

When she said "Oh well, it's an old rug anyway", I retorted "It's a 10 year old, 4000 franc rug - it's high quality". The thing is, she has form. She complained the margarine smelled bad one time, and none of us could detect anything. I do wonder if that was stress manifesting. But she just put it in the bin without saying anything!

Anyway, I found out an hour or so later - the rug does smell a bit musty (my daughter has a sharper nose than me). Then I found our guests had gone out and done our recycling for us.

I feel such a heel.

Given the equations of what we've done for them, vs what they've done for us, I still feel very happy when they do something for us.
What?? Throw your rug in the bin? Sorry, that‘s a no go as a guest. And if it really smelt bad, you can clean it.

Or your magarine? Still a no go
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Old 22.06.2022, 20:02
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Re: Ukraine Refugees already in Switzerland: Practical Tips

Please be clear. They have taken the general recycling out for you, or they have got rid of the rug?

If the latter, this is truly out of bounds. A rug that price can be professionally cleaned, if it was a bit musty. Hope this is not what you meant !?!
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If the latter, this is truly out of bounds. A rug that price can be professionally cleaned, if it was a bit musty. Hope this is not what you meant !?!
I understood that she wanted the rug rolled up as to be removed because of the "smell" and later on she went recycling the usual stuff for Nat. Not the rug.
But I might be wrong. If the rug was in their room then the request wasn't that unreasonable, some people are very sensitive to smells.
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Old 22.06.2022, 21:14
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Re: Ukraine Refugees already in Switzerland: Practical Tips

Well, again- the post is not clear. It would be clearer if the poster responded, rather than all of us go on a guess.
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Old 22.06.2022, 21:28
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I understood that she wanted the rug rolled up as to be removed because of the "smell" and later on she went recycling the usual stuff for Nat. Not the rug.
But I might be wrong. If the rug was in their room then the request wasn't that unreasonable, some people are very sensitive to smells.
That’s exactly how I understood it too.
I think they just asked for the rug to be rolled up and then did NAT a favour by doing the recycling for them. I don’t think they threw the rug away.

They did throw the magazine away though without saying anything.
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Old 22.06.2022, 21:30
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Well, again- the post is not clear. It would be clearer if the poster responded, rather than all of us go on a guess.
It's clear to me. I read that NaT feels like a heel for complaining about the margarine and rug when the refugees were considerate enough to take out recycling. They did something for his family, however small.

But NaT - I agree with some of the other posters. You're being incredibly generous and kind to take these folks in, and perhaps they need a gentle reminder that this is your home and it is not appropriate to throw away your food or anything else. It's one thing to complain about the rug and ask that it be rolled up (or cleaned?) but to toss your food without asking, which you have spent money on and are sharing with them? That's overstepping bounds, imo.

I can imagine they're frustrated and they want to feel like they have control over something, anything in their lives. Maybe that day margarine was the thing.
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Old 22.06.2022, 21:55
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But NaT - I agree with some of the other posters. You're being incredibly generous and kind to take these folks in, and perhaps they need a gentle reminder that this is your home and it is not appropriate to throw away your food or anything else. It's one thing to complain about the rug and ask that it be rolled up (or cleaned?) but to toss your food without asking, which you have spent money on and are sharing with them? That's overstepping bounds, imo.

I can imagine they're frustrated and they want to feel like they have control over something, anything in their lives. Maybe that day margarine was the thing.
Perhaps gently setting clear rules and also asking them to help more with household chores would make their staying more enjoyable. They also need structure, even if it isn't their home and don't live by themselves. They have to know it's OK to show more initiative because this isn't a normal guest-host situation.
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Old 22.06.2022, 22:19
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Again, I am absolutely full of admiration for anyone who threw open their doors. We thought about it very hard, and then remembered the two (out of so many other amazing experiences) long-term unknown guests we had in the past, and how it put real strain on the whole family. One PhD from our local Uni, and one of my French assitante, and we realised that we could be unlucky and be allocated people who would cause that kind of tension again- and that being in our 70s now, we may not be able to cope so well, especially with an open-ended arrangement, and with us going away for several weeks during that time.

Our first and favourite ever dog nearly died and truly suffered at the hands of the Phd mature student, her son and mother she invited without our permission, whilst we went on holiday, and this has left us quite weary. So hats off, and bravo.

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Old 22.06.2022, 22:24
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Yes, many people have welcomed others in their home. Refugees is a totally different ball park in my opinion……
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We had to look at ourselves and the possibilities, and be honest.
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Although I agree with you about wanting to work to need each 100 less, unfortunately, not all Social Services work with a nice, linear progression of incentives. In oder words, earning over that limit (you say 400) can suddenly tip one over into no longer qualifying for several types of help: the monthly rent, medical insurance, help with the franchise and co-pay of medical services, basic dentistry, glasses, certain school costs, and that small monthly allowance per person. And they would need to earn quite a lot more to be able to cover all those expenses themselves.
good post. the whole refugee system has always seemed a bit of a rort though. my wife is now helping out at a refugee centre and i hear such stories every day.

can't blame them for it though. leave the lid off the jam jar and wasps will come.
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Re: Ukraine Refugees already in Switzerland: Practical Tips

We know someone locally from Ukraine who has been here for a long time, and is working hard to settle families. If through her, I can meet a family (and a dog or two as especially difficult to place) and get to know them- we will re-assess the situation.
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