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Does any other country do it like the UK?

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Does anyone know how I can get the school stats for the area we live for things like exam results, Swiss Maturité results etc for public schools? Also are there any school inspections here, like the ones in the UK, where schools are rated according to a variety of KPI's?

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Does any other country do it like the UK?

I’m not aware of any myself.
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Re: Does any other country do it like the UK?

Probably other commonwealth countries. I'm sure australia do.
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Re: Does any other country do it like the UK?

The overseeing body is the canton, start with the equivalent of their ErziehungsDepartement. Search on the canton's website for general info on their Gymis and contact them.
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Re: Does any other country do it like the UK?

Just to clarify what Bowlie is asking here.

The uk publishes school stats for exam results and schools are regularly inspected and ‘league tables’ of the best schools published.
They also have GCSE exams at age 16 where they study six, seven or eight subjects and A’ levels at age 18 where they specialise even further and study three or four subjects.


Does any other country has this system for education?
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Re: Does any other country do it like the UK?

Maybe this helps:

https://swisseducationconsulting.ch/...n-switzerland/
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Re: Does any other country do it like the UK?

Thanks for clarifying the thread intent, BelgianMum.

bowlie, in answer to your question, Australia does publish statistics and KPIs for school performance. I remember my folks relentlessly analysing stats before deciding where to send me.

I believe New Zealand publish their rankings too.
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Re: Does any other country do it like the UK?

New York State not only evaluates and ranks schools, but also individual teachers. I can't find the spread sheet that I was listed on any more, but I'm sure it's out there, and it was published in the New York Daily News, as well as linked on line. I was always rated "highly effective" or some such terminology. On the other hand, several colleagues were devastated because their names, student scores, and other details were published. Several newer teachers quit over this. And a few of us older teachers listed this as one of reasons for our leaving. The information was published without context in most cases, and the school where I worked "tracked" students, meaning placed them in classes by ability (a very highly questionable practice for many reasons, especially when test scores, rather than ability to move students up, was used to rate, rank, and reward teachers - salaries were affected by rating), so if you had a remedial sort of class, or many ESL students, or worked in an underfunded district, you were going to get a low rating.
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Re: Does any other country do it like the UK?

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Probably other commonwealth countries. I'm sure australia do.

I'm not aware of this happening in Canada for high schools, but to be fair it might vary by province, and I've also not lived there for a long time so things might have changed...


On the other hand, there is a lot of performance data available for universities through the famous MacLean's magazine ranking, which I heavily relied upon when choosing where to study.
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Just to clarify what Bowlie is asking here.

The uk publishes school stats for exam results and schools are regularly inspected and ‘league tables’ of the best schools published.
They also have GCSE exams at age 16 where they study six, seven or eight subjects and A’ levels at age 18 where they specialise even further and study three or four subjects.


Does any other country has this system for education?
Another massive difference is school choice. Parents have to apply for schools, and there is huge stress related to which school they are eventually allocated. Sometimes different schools, in different geographical areas, for kids in the same family- causing massive problems with transport and other issues.

Sometimes kids are allocated at a school, despite living a long way away, and the kid next door to the school gets allocated place a long way away. To my mind, the Swiss way is much better and fairer, and makes much more sense.

There are also many private schools, and religious schools- making things even more difficult. In the last small town where I taught- there were 3 secondaries, with 6th Forms (for A'Levels- age 16-18). An expensive, selective, Grammar school, a Catholic school, and a Comprehensive School which took in the rest (my school). As it was a University town, we had most of the academic staff children, many Bengali students from very under-privileged homes where parents didn't speak English, or could read or write, and the children from the local Council Estate, with many families in all sorts of difficulties, and many 'special needs' children. The 'creaming off' by the Grammar school and the Catholic school, concentrated problems in our school.
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Re: Does any other country do it like the UK?

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From another thread.

Does anyone know how I can get the school stats for the area we live for things like exam results, Swiss Maturité results etc for public schools? Also are there any school inspections here, like the ones in the UK, where schools are rated according to a variety of KPI's?

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Does any other country do it like the UK?

I’m not aware of any myself.
Since my kids and their cousins are all grown up now, I don’t follow it so much, but I don’t believe it is done in Ireland. There was a big reaction last week in Ireland when the minister named four schools that were not living up to expectations, so I expect it is not the norm to have school stats.

In Ireland applications for third level education is don centrally so students only make a single application indicating their preference in topics and institutions.
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Re: Does any other country do it like the UK?

Sorry if I wasn’t clear. What I really want to know is if parents can pick and choose their kids state provided schools, like the Brits apparently do. Or are the schools assigned to kids by the authorities, like the Swiss do.

The question of testing and ranking is less relevant.
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Re: Does any other country do it like the UK?

In Italy parents/Kids choose the school from kindergarten to high school. Anyone can go to gymi or another high school but you have to have the marks to pass each year and graduate. In case of a number of kids higher than the school capacity, priority is given to the “locals”
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Re: Does any other country do it like the UK?

So parents can choose to go to a primary school in a different village or town area, as in the UK. Where parental choice robs local parents from places at their local school, often short walking distance?
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Sorry if I wasn’t clear. What I really want to know is if parents can pick and choose their kids state provided schools, like the Brits apparently do. Or are the schools assigned to kids by the authorities, like the Swiss do.

The question of testing and ranking is less relevant.
In that case I totally misunderstood as well because the bit you quoted was related to school rating and rankings.

Belgium is more like the UK in that respect or at least Wallonia is, I have no idea if it’s the same in Flanders.

Kids can start ‘school’ on the day that they turn two and a half if the choose although school is not actually obligatory until the year in which they turn six.

Parents can choose which school they send their kids to and it doesn’t even have to be in their commune of residence. Communal schools have an obligation to accept all kids who apply and if necessary open up extra classes to accommodate them but the Catholic schools and private schools don’t have that obligation and can refuse admission if they are full.

I went to visit four schools near where we lived when my son was ready to start school and chose one that I liked the feel of and which I knew other parents were happy with. It wasn’t in our commune and it wasn’t the nearest to where we lived but it was probably actually nearer that’s the nearest school in our commune.
The schools are very flexible and I chose to only send him to school in the mornings initially as he was only three and the kids had a nap in the afte4noins anyway which he no longer did.
Parents can also change schools at any time during the primary years. One of my friends moved her kids three times.

For secondary school which they move onto at age 11 there is also free choice but it is also much more difficult as there is fierce competition to get a place in the ‘better’ schools. There is no centralised system so parents have to apply to the schools directly once registration opens and it’s every man for himself. Priority is given to kids who live locally or at least in the same commune. The kids also have to have the primary leaving certificate to be admitted but they don’t know whether they have achieved that during the application process although most of them would have a fairly good idea. Of my son’s class only one pupil failed to receive it.
We left to move to Switzerland before secondary so we didn’t have to go through that procedure.

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Sorry if I wasn’t clear. What I really want to know is if parents can pick and choose their kids state provided schools, like the Brits apparently do. Or are the schools assigned to kids by the authorities, like the Swiss do.

The question of testing and ranking is less relevant.
Ah, gotcha.

No, in Australia, if you attend a state-provided school, you must attend the one which is located in your catchment area, i.e. where you live.

The only way around it is if you choose to put your child in private school instead (which is usually a religious one).

I believe the case can be made to change schools from your catchment area only in extenuating circumstances, for example a documented history of bullying

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Ah, gotcha.

No, in Australia, if you attend a state-provided school, you must attend the one which is located in your catchment area, i.e. where you live.

The only way around it is if you choose to put your child in private school instead (which is usually a religious one).

I believe the case can be made to change schools from your catchment area only in extenuating circumstances, for example a documented history of bullying
Actually this is the case in the UK too. In some areas at least.

My nephews in the north of England went to the primary school for their catchment area which was near to where they live. Same for my cousins and their kids.
For secondary they could choose one if the two secondary schools which served their area.

It was slightly different for our granddaughter in Essex. She went to the primary school for their catchment area which was just around the corner from their house but for secondary she had give a list of three secondary schools in order of preference and she was allocated a place at one of those. She got a place at her second choice.

For the grandkids in East Sussex only three of them are at school so far and all three of them go to their local school where they were assigned places, there was no application procedure or fight for places.

It obviously varies widely depending on where you are even in the UK.


I believe for secondary schools (sometimes referred to as middle schools) this can also be the case in Switzerland. In areas served by more than one secondary school the kids can choose an order of preference but aren’t guaranteed to be placed in their preferred option. A friend’s daughter in Basel was allocated a place in her second choice school.
Since education is a cantonal domain this will obviously differ depending on where you are.
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In Italy parents/Kids choose the school from kindergarten to high school. Anyone can go to gymi or another high school but you have to have the marks to pass each year and graduate. In case of a number of kids higher than the school capacity, priority is given to the “locals”
Just to add some details, the choice in Italy is not always completely free, because in some areas there's not that many schools easily reachable, particularly from high school upwards. The majority of students doesn't really commute until University, and even so a lot of them do it mid/short range.

This is actually less an issue than what it may seem, because the choice of high school or uni is mostly based on what one wants to do (or is forced to do!) and much less on the alleged "quality" of the institutes. So the typical choice is between the closest technical school or the closest gymi, not between two technical schools based on their rankings.

There are of course private schools, mostly associated with church, and private unis, but they don't necessarily provide better quality (to be generous...).

There are also schools with very bad reputation but they are mostly associated with their education level - you won't find a disaster gymi, while you could easily find two bad professional schools in the same area, because that's where problematic youngs go (sorry to say, it's probably a whole separate discussion).

Overall I always went to public schools, from kindergarten to PhD, and the close-by offer was always of good/high quality.

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So parents can choose to go to a primary school in a different village or town area, as in the UK. Where parental choice robs local parents from places at their local school, often short walking distance?
Maybe sometimes, but it's also a source of income for kindergartens where offer is X and local demand is Y < X...
However starting from regular school (age 6) this is rarely an issue, class composition is more flexible and there is rarely the need to exclude anyone. Non-existing in high school... in my gymi the number of classes could vary from 6 to 13 each year depending on the number of subscriptions, each class with 20 to 30 students.
Of course the extra classes will get temporary teachers, most of them move yearly or monthly and don't have a permanent contract, this has an obvious impact on quality but somehow they often manage to stay "above threshold".
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Sorry if I wasn’t clear. What I really want to know is if parents can pick and choose their kids state provided schools, like the Brits apparently do. Or are the schools assigned to kids by the authorities, like the Swiss do.

The question of testing and ranking is less relevant.
In Ireland I'd say sort of... It really depends on where you live and what is on offer. The dept. of Ed will fund schools if you can show that you have the required number of pupils. For historical reasons protestant schools are always funded.

So in some towns you might have two or three options, where as in other places you might have only one.

When it comes to second level, people regardless of religion tend to favour schools previously run by the various religious orders. The orders are mostly gone but the facilities remain and they are often better than the newer state schools. Back in the day, the religious orders plowed most of their salaries back into the schools, so you often find the have more play fields, bigger gyms, more labs and so on.
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