Yes agreed and yet many newcomers are shocked about the price level and the first month's it always feels like all your money is just disappearing. In a lot of European countries 25 CHF would be considered very ok.

Let's see what OP comes back with.

If the OP lived in France, she would have the possibility of deducting part of her cleaning woman fees from her taxes, not in Switzerland.

Yes and earn a much lower salary and pay more taxes - you don't get to pick and choose individual elements from a system....

You really think the OP's coming back ?

Sure, with another nickname though .

I don't think the lowballing is malicious - just a lack of understanding.


e.g. when I first moved to ZH from the UK, I was used to British salaries. It was "normal" to have a dog walker charge £10 an hour. Our cleaning company charged £15 an hour, including tools/equipment (but not products). In Italy, my family is still shocked at what a dog walker charges here... I know doctors in Italy that don't earn 50-euro an hour...



It takes getting used to when you move here.

Take a look here. Most charging 20 to 30 per hour.

Don't take any notice of the belittling comments.

Good luck

https://homeservice24.ch/en/housekee...4aAi26EALw_wcB

Worth reading the fine print on that site - YOU are the employer, not homeservice.ch


So in addition to the price on the site, expect to pay:
* you must pay 6.05% of the gross wage to the AHV for social insurance.

* you also pay the employer's half of the social security contributions (approx. 6-8%).
* You also have to take out accident insurance that covers your employee/cleaner
* You need to provide an equivalence for the vacation days (and potentially cover sick days, not sure how this part works for hourly workers)



Ironically, the people behind homeservice have a second site: fairboss : https://www.fairboss.ch/


They will help you calculate all these additional fees and requirements for you... though I think that comes with a fee after the first month


M.

The OP advised they're willing to provide a proper employment contract, which would include the standard employment provisions you have highlighted one would assume.

No one suggested or insinuated homeservice were the employer. It's evidently a resource to find persons willing to work for the hourly rate that the OP can afford that some members claim doesn't exist and decided to mock her for rather than be helpful

It is unclear what OP envisions paying as hourly rate (all extras included) as they haven’t been back

You don't seem to understand that that hourly rate is not what the OP would be pay given the explanation above on how you as the employer need to pay a bunch of stuff on top. And even worse if what is advertised is take home pay Vs gross salary.

So no, what the OP wants to pay does not exist.

I have tried to hire people from the other affiliated website. Some of them want contracts, some don't, especially the newcomers who haven't even managed to get their permit yet. If it is a one-off thing, you may be tempted, but you definitely don't want long term unofficial agreements, you have so much to lose if you get caught. It is very important that you have all pensions/insurances paid properly, otherwise you are in deep shit. My employee had an accident at their place outside working hours, the first thing they were asked was the accident insurance of the employer. I had to spend a couple of hours on the phone plus filling in forms with my insurance, for something that did not even happen during working hours, it is not easy...

As a rule of thumb, I would add 20-25% on the quoted price plus a lot of headache to set this whole thing up (or extra costs if you want to assign this to a professional).

You don't seem to understand what a proper employment contract is I.e. what the OP said they're willing to provide, and that employer costs and contributions are inherently part of such a contract and would be necessary at 20-25 per hour or 40 per hour, or otherwise.

No potential employee asks for a rate inclusive of employer contributions, they ask for what they expect to receive (subject to their own personal deductions), and no employer advertises a salary including what they will be having to legally pay in employer costs as part of a legal contract.

So yes, per the evidence provided, what the OP wants to pay does indeed exist and is very common.

Happy to help.

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It's starting to look like ANKMumBaselLand is the burner account of JZB86

It's starting to look like imaginations run wild with false allegations when members don't just bully new joiners but try and be helpful

Are you sure? All the places I've ever worked at advertise a gross salary, which includes all the social security, pension, etc, contributions as a bottom line. Nowhere ever mentioned a salary purely in terms of what figuratively ends up in my pocket.

For what it's worth, the advertised salary of the OP is pretty meagre in today's terms.

That's not completely correct - the advertised gross salary includes all the employees AHV & pension contributions. On top of that gross salary there is the employers AHV, pension and accident insurance costs

Yes, the employee gross salary, which is subject to your personal employee deductions e.g., those you have listed. They don't advertise a gross salary which includes all employer contributions as part of that total.

I agree it's at the lower end, particularly given many people have received an average of 5% inflation increase in the last year or so. But it's not uncommon or unrealistic for the type of work described. At least, I know of several people paying a similar rate for similar work.

.......but on top of the gross salary paid to the employee, the employer also has additional costs to think about !

OP wrote that they are willing to pay 20-25 - and if they come back they can perhaps clarify whether thAt mean the cost to them as employers or the gross salary they are willing to give (which would translate to a cost to employer of roughly 25-30 CHF).