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Old 22.03.2012, 15:37
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its a human reaction to being threatened by another....im just saying that as a man that is part of the human race...i know when its time to escalate to violence

Blimey, good job they don't let just anyone have a gun in America, eh?
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Blimey, good job they don't let just anyone have a gun in America, eh?

If you Google 'guns in the USA' you'll get the impression that anyone, no matter what for a dimwit, can have a gun lawfully unless a criminal, but even this hurdle is obviously no problem as there are millions of guns in circulation in the hands of 'proud' owners.

By the way Chanceblack, my wife and I once spent three very pleasant weeks in California, spoiltl only by a seething, foaming-at-the-mouth man who called me all the names under the sun and offered to do all kinds of things to my genitals just because I asked a bus driver for information and was blocking this 'gentleman's' entry to the bus.
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Old 22.03.2012, 18:36
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If you Google 'guns in the USA' you'll get the impression that anyone, no matter what for a dimwit, can have a gun lawfully unless a criminal, but even this hurdle is obviously no problem as there are millions of guns in circulation in the hands of 'proud' owners.
My comment appears to have flown at about 35'000 ft above your head
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Old 22.03.2012, 20:01
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every single swiss male friend has told my wife that i am not here for her but im here for the amount of money i can make...AFTER meeting me and being nice in my face...when i saw them after i found this out and approached them...by the way...them is 20 or so people, they said that they said no such thing...then proceeded to complain to my wife that she told me what they really felt.....they dont know that i made more money in ny then i can ever make here...and they dont know that i have indeed traveled the world.
that's really weird. The swiss people I know don't think like that.

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i just thought this was a safe place to speak truth about what a visitor thinks and feels about your home...seeing as in my short time here i have heard more rude and disrespectful comments about america than i ever have i my life (from men who dont know when to shut up)...
you just sound like a violent person. Understand that your behaviour is not normal, don't ever tell anyone that you feel entitled to violence in vengeance for verbal abuse or they'll think you're a psycho.
If you represent american culture, you will only hear bad things about it.
No shit they say new yorkers are worse than parisians.
I understand that swiss germans are square and will do bad comments about stuff that isn't their business, but this grumpy-old-man attitude can be found everywhere in the world, it's just more prevalent there.
Still, this doesn't give you the right to hit them or anything.

What you described as normal human behaviour is part of your culture. Just accept it and deal with it. If you insist with the line of thinking that your culture is the normal thing and that others are wrong, you'll get nowhere.
Such violent cultures conflict with modern non-white-trash-tier european culture.

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look, i know switzerland is pretty, and quality of life is exceptional ...but all swiss people ever seem to do is talk about how pretty and exceptional they are....its like the prettiest girl in the room...the more she says shes pretty and the best looking woman there...the uglier she starts to look to the rest of us...its obnoxious....im sane and dissapointed that im living in a place where being rude and isolating is a culture thing...i thought i left that behavior behind at the high school lunch table
yes the swiss are a bit like that, yes it can be obnoxious.

Rude and isolating are words that change meaning depending on your culture. For me, the swiss are not rude, on the contrary. Maybe isolating if compared to other europeans.

PS: since English is your mother tongue, use proper grammar, orthography and punctuation. How you present yourself is half of the work that's needed to get your point across.
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Re: Are the rumours about swiss people true

despite it being my first language and the fact that I actually get paid mostly as a result of my mastery of it, I have no idea what "orthography" might be in English. I do, however, recognize bad spelling and syntax when I see it.
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Old 22.03.2012, 20:11
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despite it being my first language and the fact that I actually get paid mostly as a result of my mastery of it, I have no idea what "orthography" might be in English. I do, however, recognize bad spelling and syntax when I see it.
Correct spelling, ortography. Things written down properly.
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Correct spelling, ortography. Things written down properly.
Sorry, that's bad spelling. Correct spelling IS orthography.
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Sorry, that's bad spelling. Correct spelling IS orthography.
Yeah, heh, Czech ortografie polluted.

I was actually saying, correct spelling means orthography. Meaning of the word, not that ortography would be correct spelling.

Ugh, anything ortho brings back ugly and slobbery memories of retainers.

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Re: Are the rumours about swiss people true

if we are honestly going to have a debate about how to spell a word whose use should be confined to pedantic fetishism about linguistics (and which I have never heard before)...

...well, I think we may have finally brought this thread back to its original question.

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Yeah, heh, Czech ortografie polluted.

I was actually saying, correct spelling means orthography. Meaning of the word, not that ortography would be correct spelling.

Ugh, anything ortho brings back ugly and slobbery memories of retainers.

well, here the solution

http://www.democraticunderground.com...ess=105x677096

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Old 23.03.2012, 14:12
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i think people from Switzerland are different, but you have to divide between village and city living people. because many occasions like nosey neighbors, endless nagging about irrevelant things eg instructing people on what you can and cant do everywhere and of course advise you on how to live your life i have never witnessed in Zurich. i cant see a depressing gloomy way swiss people live their lives or the Swiss being the world’s most miserable creatures devoting their dismal lives to banking. it is the anonymous city life i live and love here, my neighbors are mid30ies, kids/no kids, all easy. i have lived in 4 different places, flats in different kreis/boroughs of Zurich... i have noticed that Swiss people are a bit more reserved, especially when it comes to favours, help, implicitness. they dont dare to ask or do things just to not put you off. thinking: wow that can cause stress or something. everything is so non-spontaneus, very little impulsive that makes people here a bit stiff at times and i have noticed that many expats living here for a while take on such behaviour as well or lets say are a bit in the vibe if a spontaneus call or knock on someones door is impolite or not.

but 3 major differences i have noticed to germany and the uk.
queuing: its nearly non-existent in CH. i dont get it why in a country thats so so sensible in many thngs can behave so dis-organised, rude? i hate it so much and dont get why the counter staff can organise that? wer is de nägscht? hate that! i believe all counters should have ticket machines, so this would make things ways easier...

staring: i have absolutely no clue why this is? walking behind someone
and then this somebody turns around his head every 10 seconds to examine people/me. in germany and other countries this would lead to getting your staring face smashed in. weird.

making swiss friends: in 5.5 years i have met so many swiss people here and i did not make friends with many, infact 1 swiss friend i have that i can call a friend and not just acquaintance level, saying hello/goodbye.
but he lived for a while in Berlin and loves the open way and straightness when it comes to opinion, humor, etc. of me as a german.

many times i felt put off as my open and honest questions to get somebody to know, just to have a simple chat about a very easy topic like music, hobbies, footie gets looked at like i am from the inquisition? and its most of times a one-way questionaire with replies like: yes, no, maybe. and my fave: schono schpeziell.

if you meet somebody for a 2nd time, still its weird n stiff, you see people feeling uncomfortable that they want to leave the convo, stop talking but dunno how how to get out of the situation without being rude. it feels so unpleasent for onself as i dunno what i do wrong? and no matter how i try to come across, it makes no difference.

i mean i have been asked by somebody to join his facebook profile, become a friend. he is into graffiti and as we were taking part both in a graffiti related discussion he noticed we might share (and actual do) mutual view n interest. i met this guy on his initiative, we painted at letten on a sunny sunday afternoon and i had a good time. we kept on chatting on FB, but out of a sudden it stopped. and i dunno why? i have been to an event where we met coincidentially and it was like i met my ex-GF and we didnt knew what to say....akward, stiff, unpleasent feeling and my head caves nearly in why?

its not me as i asked openly about tbis n that, we did not share much deep personal information, just our 20 years history of writing our name on walls. that should easily keep us busy talking but it didnt.

it was the xxth attempt to make friends with a swiss and i think i wont stop trying but i am not so keen on doing so.

i mean... when you come to a new country and meet people...it is hard to make friends, become part of somebodys circle of friends etc, as all this is already set and yes, very rarely you will be accepted and if, it takes time and effort from your side (had this many times though i made friends after a bit of time n effort). but in CH i experienced that all the ecouragement to do something, going out for a beer, footie, cinema, dinner etc, is a one way business. if there comes nothing in return after i have asked somebody to meet and you notice that person lives a very active life and you are never considered to join in, even on a very non-private level (bar, cinema, concert) you stop doing so. its upsetting and disappointing and it took a while until i didnt take it personal as i have heard similar stories from others... and thats why i stick to my german/english expat base, the kind of parallel world, bubble.

i wont generalize but have to say that this is the experience i made here so far. still its the best thing i ever did to come here and i try my best not leave very soon...
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PS: since English is your mother tongue, use proper grammar, orthography and punctuation. How you present yourself is half of the work that's needed to get your point across.
This is kinda funny...seeing as im a writer, but hey...i stopped paying attention to punctuation etc. years ago....this isnt school...and i have an editor for that...i get paid for original ideas...not grammar or punctuation.

and i truly am not a violent person...i just know that some behavior is kept in check or ratified by the consequences one might face if they conduct themselves inappropriately...and it seems to me that the lack of any real threat here gives people the green light to be assholes...again, character is not culture, seems these guys have a hard time understanding that...

i have gone to multiple dinner parties where when i say im from new york...one of the first things i get is a discussion about 9 11...where people here spew non-sense like, it was an inside job, or america was asking for it...not, hey did you lose anyone, or god that must've been horrible, what was it like....i mean really?? if i met someone whos family was affected by hiroshima, the first thing out of my mouth is not going to be my political opinion of the attack or my views on wether or not it was deserved...
people here have a blatant disregard for proper human interaction and scapegoat rudeness by blaming it on culture. bottom line, i dont care if in your culture it is completely acceptable to rape women or to be rude...right is right and wrong is wrong...and i dont mind getting a little dirt on me to ensure someone knows the proper way to treat me and mine.
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Honestly Chanceblack, it's unbelievable how you look at the Swiss world, and obviously you have taken no notice of what has been written here in reply to your ravings. I've been here 46 years and nothing of what you say in any way corresponds to my experience. I have very good Swiss friends and relationships and I still have those which exist after more than 60 years from my schooldays and first married years in England. So something obviously works for me. I also took the trouble of integrating myself into the way of a new culture here before I opened my mouth about the way things are done in my new homeland. There are things to moan about in all cultures - but at least we have one where the Ideals aren't represented publicly by film stars and thwarted militarists - and I mean that.
But one thing I can tell you; I worked for an American company for 26 years, the last of my years dealing directly with the executive board. The word I then so often used privately to descibe this motley collection of incompetent, over-bearing, flag-waving individuals, was 'arseholes', which is the word you have used so indiscriminately to describe all the Swiss, but which I spell differently and restrict solely to that bunch of nincompoops who were charge of a billion dollar company but is a word which I wouldn't use for all the other non-agressive, pleasant and decent Americans who I know and have known.

Get out into the mountains and enjoy the bounties of nature which lie at your very doorstep - a surely more invigorating pastime than going to multiple cob-webbed dinner-parties.
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i concede...it is culture shock, fish out of water, whatever...and my comments have been harsh and sometimes ill informed...but i will say this...with the things i have written about the men in switzerland...the women have been the exact opposite, welcoming, polite, fun and even flirtatious...i guess thats why i am having such a hard time understanding why the double standard in how outsiders are treated in what is supposed to be one culture...i have made swiss women friends with no problem...the males confuse the hell out of me...
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i concede...it is culture shock, fish out of water, whatever...and my comments have been harsh and sometimes ill informed...but i will say this...with the things i have written about the men in switzerland...the women have been the exact opposite, welcoming, polite, fun and even flirtatious...i guess thats why i am having such a hard time understanding why the double standard in how outsiders are treated in what is supposed to be one culture...i have made swiss women friends with no problem...the males confuse the hell out of me...
Interestingly enough, I have found the opposite. 3 years here and not a single 'swiss' friend, but the men have been more polite and friendly. I don't even think I've spoken out of context to a Swiss female, when I have tried, I've been absolutely ignored.

But one must make the best of the situation, and ignore the negatives, I've made tons of great friends from Germany, South America, Australia, UK, US and Canada since I've been here.
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iqueuing: its nearly non-existent in CH. i dont get it why in a country thats so so sensible in many thngs can behave so dis-organised, rude? i hate it so much and dont get why the counter staff can organise that? wer is de nägscht? hate that! i believe all counters should have ticket machines, so this would make things ways easier...
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queuing ? Today, I was in a queue in a Coop at 13.30, in a queue in a Migros-Electronics (with a 30yrs old woman "jumping" the queue) at 14.45, in a queue at a Migros at 15.15, in a queue at a Coop at 15.50 and in another queue at a Coop at 19.00 . Queues queues queues ! I however prefer places where you can pick your number

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staring: i have absolutely no clue why this is? walking behind someone
and then this somebody turns around his head every 10 seconds to examine people/me. in germany and other countries this would lead to getting your staring face smashed in. weird.
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I have been used since childhood to be looked at (for various reasons) and so do not care. Yes, there are people who really do stare. I generally look at something a bit to the left or the right of the person. Them not being tactful is no reason for me NOT to be tactful.

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making swiss friends: in 5.5 years i have met so many swiss people here and i did not make friends with many, infact 1 swiss friend i have that i can call a friend and not just acquaintance level, saying hello/goodbye.
but he lived for a while in Berlin and loves the open way and straightness when it comes to opinion, humor, etc. of me as a german.
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The "open way" of many North Germans is generally regarded as tactlessness and bluntness. And Germans (a generalisation of course !) are not exactly renowned in the world as Scherzkekse

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many times i felt put off as my open and honest questions to get somebody to know, just to have a simple chat about a very easy topic like music, hobbies, footie gets looked at like i am from the inquisition? and its most of times a one-way questionaire with replies like: yes, no, maybe. and my fave: schono schpeziell.
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if you meet somebody for a 2nd time, still its weird n stiff, you see people feeling uncomfortable that they want to leave the convo, stop talking but dunno how how to get out of the situation without being rude. it feels so unpleasent for onself as i dunno what i do wrong? and no matter how i try to come across, it makes no difference.
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If I by chance meet somebody again I had met earlier the same day, I open up the situation with a remark (sometimes they are swifter) like "also over here ...." "do we have a subscription ....." "you also found THIS here to be a useful place ....", in other words, small-talk as it is

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it was the xxth attempt to make friends with a swiss and i think i wont stop trying but i am not so keen on doing so.
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Friendships are NOT "made", they happen. Often the result of seeing commonalities like a common hobby, and much else

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i mean... when you come to a new country and meet people...it is hard to make friends, become part of somebodys circle of friends etc, as all this is already set and yes, very rarely you will be accepted and if, it takes time and effort from your side
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what hobbies do you have ? Join a club or thelike where people follow your hobby. Example: There is a woman from Ireland, whose older brother was in an Irish aviation organisation and they some 4 or 5 years ago welcomed a group of Swiss aviation enthusiasts. In the meantime, she married one of our group, is loved by us all, and made the acquaintance of many of the non-aviation-interested wifes.

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This is kinda funny...seeing as im a writer, but hey...i stopped paying attention to punctuation etc. years ago....this isnt school...and i have an editor for that...i get paid for original ideas...not grammar or punctuation.
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and i truly am not a violent person...i just know that some behavior is kept in check or ratified by the consequences one might face if they conduct themselves inappropriately...and it seems to me that the lack of any real threat here gives people the green light to be assholes..
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people who react violently to other people conducting .... inappropriately are simply CRIMINALS. Assholes/areseholes do NOT need a green light to be what they are.
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i have gone to multiple dinner parties where when i say im from new york...one of the first things i get is a discussion about 9 11..
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forget such bores. They that way reveal that they know NOTHING about New York.

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.where people here spew non-sense like, it was an inside job, or america was asking for it..
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those "arguments" like
- inside job
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etc are well known, but clearly NOT the majority opinion. In case they ARE majority opinions at such a dinner party, upgrade and improve your "circle"

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Re: Are the rumours about swiss people true

I totally agree in every single point you mentioned, I have experienced (and still doing so) all those weird situations with Swiss people, the staring...making you feel so uncomfortable! The queuing, totally shocked the first time I tried to queu here...really can't understand why. And the Swiss "friends" that make you feel not sure of what to do or say.Having said so I must admit I find Swiss people very caring and whiling to help when asked (and sometimes even if you didn't ask as well ..ah! and something I must mention..the driving!! I really have problems with the Swiss way of driving...no signaling, pushing you from behind even if you are driving the limit allowed and driving so close back tailing you...that is one thing Im afraid it's going to take me time to get used to.
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I totally agree in every single point you mentioned, I have experienced (and still doing so) all those weird situations with Swiss people, the staring...making you feel so uncomfortable! The queuing, totally shocked the first time I tried to queu here...really can't understand why. And the Swiss "friends" that make you feel not sure of what to do or say.Having said so I must admit I find Swiss people very caring and whiling to help when asked (and sometimes even if you didn't ask as well ..ah! and something I must mention..the driving!! I really have problems with the Swiss way of driving...no signaling, pushing you from behind even if you are driving the limit allowed and driving so close back tailing you...that is one thing Im afraid it's going to take me time to get used to.
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> I am always astonished about the hard feeling of some people about "staring" as it usually just is a bit of curiousity, and YES, admittedly a lack of tact in some cases
> queuing ? people queue in supermarkets and many other places. I was surprised on my first visits to Paris and Madrid that unlinke in Zürich they did NOT queue at any time
> the driving? Sure, holidays abroad mean to experience a generally more tolerant. Exeption is Germany where it is similar in Bayern and Baden-Württemberg and Hessen, but even worse north of the Taunus Line. I can only describe the "Teutonic" driving style with the German word gehässig
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wolli... yes, people put their cart in line at coop or migros, but any open desk like lets say the kiosk on HB opposite track 6 is a real bad example. 3 aisles leading to the cashier desk might make it easy to get how n where to queu but i have been many times in the situation that people were in line in the middle and still from left or right side other customers come along, take a paper from the front display and cut others/me by handing in said magazine directly to the cashier. or take the bar "rio". 2 guys were ordering, i come in 3rd. after me 4th n 5th guy comes in, staff serves 1 n 2 and after that a)asking whos next and 4 or 5 ordering though its 100% clear they came after me b) staff serves automatically randomly. i could go on about places like that...and yes, i can tell most of them are swiss as i get their accent while ordering.

and this maybe a good example for how i turned into a very defensive german in CH. because before i moved to ZH i had 1.5 years time to integrate myself, get a very good feeling for the swiss people, mind set, behaviour, customs, dos n donts. because my ex swiss GF explained it all to me what we germans do wrong. the tschüss and ciaos (now normal and accepted in Zh not meant to be a duzie) the ich kriege-faux pas, rules, the very upsetting and bothering ending every word with a -li, müsli und müesli... hochdeutsch aversion (means where the arrogance comes from) everything!

that turned myself very much into a rather more sensible guy, always trying not to piss in anybodies fondue.

for example i have been to a concert. my ch-frind came, brought along 4 more friends from basel, 3 girls n 1 guy. right when they hit HB hey seperated each other and ganged up on the way to the volkshaus. i tried to get involved, soft, easy... not that alone that puts one off..."wow, this german is very direct asking me bla bla bla..." trying to find a base...asking the guy from where he got these trainers, easy. again a cul-de-sac-conversation. the gig was shit, ok. back home i would have said that to my friends openly. here i am rather asking, trying not to hurt anyones feelings...checking out how they found the gig, ending up with a "es war schon noch speziell" which can mean anything, very likely it rather sucked. still nodding, yes,right...it was speziell... i keep it...

so....to cut this short: you can believe me that i overthink every step, every thought and action when ever i meet somebody, especially a swiss.
i can count myself lucky that where ever i have lived, i shortly had good understanding of peole and how to behave and finally making acquaintances and later maybe friends.

i never found it ever so hard like in switzerland. yeah, you might find a 10000000 explanations of which many might be true indeed, but it is very different in switzerland. i man, read these threads in here, check them on hallo-schweiz.de, local, where ever... through all ethnic groups coming here as an expat, immgrant or what have you will tell you the same: it is harder than elsewhere.

and about staring: its not being looked at like coming into a bar: oh, whos that? do i know him? bla bla...no, its the offensive staring for minutes! the in your face-behaviour. there is no explanation for that but being rude.

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Re: Are the rumours about swiss people true

Please remember that THE Swiss people does not exist as an entity. There are idiots and weirdos everywhere of course, but just as in the UK, or the US, or indeed all countries- there are significant differences. Until you have lived or visited extensively various locations- try to avoid gross generalisations. People can react very differently in London, Yorkshire or Dorset- NYC or Alabama, etc. In my 40 years in the UK, living in different locations and visiting extensively over areas via relatives or friends, this became increasingly apparent over the years.

Very different atmosphere in Zurich to Lausanne or Lugano, really.

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