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Old 02.02.2007, 00:45
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Re: Are the rumours about swiss people true

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No offense, but the crazy hair just sticks out. I find it strange that you believe someone with a Mohawk should simply be able to just walk around without a comment. They are trying to stick out -- it is deliberate. I have nothing against it!

I have *never* tried to "fit in." Maybe that is why no one in the US ever paid attention to me? And could that be the same here? I didn't run around like ganster in Switzerland.
Er, that's not "crazy" hair. That's a very short mohawk. No biggie. Not this, which would be stare-worthy, regardless of in Switzerland or not:



And, yes, believe it or not you do try to fit in. Your style of khakis and a polo (wtf is a "hemd" anyway?) is the American conformist style.

A good thing that I don't run around like a gangster, nor does anyone I know.
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Re: Are the rumours about swiss people true

Personally i find the punk style comforting, at least you know said person will exhibit a decent taste in music as opposed to the Britney Spears / Paris Hilton or 'gangster rapper wannabes' falling out of city centre clubs
No-one in that picture would be stared at where I'm from (Sheffield UK which has a pretty decent music scene). I wouldn't describe any of them as deliberately looking to stand out, more fitting in with lifestyle or music tastes (and in many cities they wouldn't stand out at all).

The world would be a very boring place if everyone looked the same
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Old 02.02.2007, 09:55
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Re: Are the rumours about swiss people true

When you go to Rome, you do what the Romans do so goes the old adage. Everywhere on this planet, there are rumours even where Bin is hiding now
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Personally i find the punk style comforting, at least you know said person will exhibit a decent taste in music as opposed to the Britney Spears / Paris Hilton or 'gangster rapper wannabes' falling out of city centre clubs
No-one in that picture would be stared at where I'm from (Sheffield UK which has a pretty decent music scene). I wouldn't describe any of them as deliberately looking to stand out, more fitting in with lifestyle or music tastes (and in many cities they wouldn't stand out at all).

The world would be a very boring place if everyone looked the same
Ditto, but Glasgow...
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Re: Are the rumours about swiss people true

I don't think the Swiss are as tuned into the reactions of othe people as some of us might be. There are no adverse consequences here for "rude" behavior, whereas in England, or Canada if you're staring someone down there is a good chance you're going to get popped in the nose for it. I've seen Swiss guys shake their fists at my boyfriend in traffic and just freak the hell out when he stops the car and gets out. They don't have any notion of escalation to violence, (which I suppose, could be considered a good thing) or even confrontation (I mean, they haven't been to war in how long?) so they do whatever they like without regard for ramification. What's the worst that could happen here - a returned stare? A steelier stare? A clenched fist? Oooh the adrenaline!!

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Re: Are the rumours about swiss people true

My usual response is the typical diplomatic English: "Have you got an problem ?" If I'm feeling a bit more mellow, I will simply wander over and ask them if they want a photo. Both solve the problem instantly.
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Most people are curious when they hear English spoken, rather than annoyed. Or at least in my experience.

As for the staring, it can get far too much for my level of comfort. When I discover someone staring at me, I stare back. Only they keep staring. I'm starting to taking to waving at them, like "hi! I must know you, you keep staring at me! ". Even then, most are not embarassed enough to stop the damned staring.
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Re: Are the rumours about swiss people true

Hoi mitenand,

I have lived in Schaffhausen for 10 years now and I am afraid to say life here is not easy at all though I am a native speaker of standard German. Switzerland is nice for a holiday if I could choose I'd rather go home today than tomorrow.

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Re: Are the rumours about swiss people true

You can choose.
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Hoi mitenand,

I have lived in Schaffhausen for 10 years now and I am afraid to say life here is not easy at all though I am a native speaker of standard German. Switzerland is nice for a holiday if I could choose I'd rather go home today than tomorrow.

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Re: Are the rumours about swiss people true

Unfortunately it's not as easy as that. As a family you have to stay where the money is. So it looks like staying here for another 20 years.

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Re: Are the rumours about swiss people true

I've lived in Zurich for 7 months so far and love it, mostly. I also have a great group of American friends and work in a very international lab.

The best thing I ever read: Zurich consistantly ranks in the top 5 places to live in the world. Just one catch, you just gotta ignore the Swiss. That being said I work with some lovely Swiss natives, but they are the exception not the rule. I also work with some horrible Swiss natives.

You will never get anything but dirty looks from other women in the restroom queue. No one will ever get out of your way. No one will ever ask you if you need help if you're standing on a street corner looking lost with a map. It's not that I think they're actually rude, I just think the Swiss are unaware that other people are around them.
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Re: Are the rumours about swiss people true

Sorry for being a pedant, but you are really saying is that you choose to stay. There are a number of other complainants on the forum that give the impression they have no power to change the situation.

There are a number of people I know that are basically unhappy here but the inertia represented by a good salary prevents them doing what they really want to do and they remain miserable and whinging.

Its good to have a whinge, but lets not pretend we are forced to stay in this beautiful country.

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Unfortunately it's not as easy as that. As a family you have to stay where the money is. So it looks like staying here for another 20 years.

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Old 02.02.2007, 17:16
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There are a number of people I know that are basically unhappy here but the inertia represented by a good salary prevents them doing what they really want to do and they remain miserable and whinging.
dave, the fact that so many people join this forum speaks for itself. swiss generally have a harder time (than other folks) to accept what's not swiss.
after 15 years i couldn't develope love for this country and i don't know yet an expat with more than 10 years that love it neither. for many years i though i was the one with "integration" problems. but as i met more and more foreigners i'm able to say that i did and do all that is in my hands (included studying schwiizertüüscht, feel comfortable in the alps, cooking swiss, you name it.) to fit in this society, still i was able to fully accomplish it just at a superficial level. please check out the new facts cover report "schweizer mobben deutsche". i feel that germans are a powerful community that thanks it's reputation as reliable workers, can express with a fair amount of credibility what foreign employees have to go through working and living in switzerland. and for the majority with families and stuff moving from here is not so easy, if it would, i guarantee you that a big deal of expats would do it "ipso facto". i understand that a lot of new comers are very enthusiastic (as i was!) on the positive yet shallow aspects of the country, salaries, transport efficiency, low taxes, etc. ask them in 5 years...
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Re: Are the rumours about swiss people true

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Personally i find the punk style comforting, at least you know said person will exhibit a decent taste in music as opposed to the Britney Spears / Paris Hilton or 'gangster rapper wannabes' falling out of city centre clubs
No-one in that picture would be stared at where I'm from (Sheffield UK which has a pretty decent music scene). I wouldn't describe any of them as deliberately looking to stand out, more fitting in with lifestyle or music tastes (and in many cities they wouldn't stand out at all).

The world would be a very boring place if everyone looked the same
I agree, I am just saying that in Switzerland someone dressed like that is more likely to get a look than in say Berlin or London. Then again, we're talking about stares and not quick glances. I must just be oblivious to those around me.
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Re: Are the rumours about swiss people true

is this unfriendly nature mainly confined to the German-speaking region or is it also found in the french region (around Lausanne)?

I can tell you a little (or extended story) about my experiences with the Swiss. I´m Irish living in Germany and went to Swiss on hols with two American friends. They decided to climb Mt Pilatus (near Luzern), while I took the train up and down. After reaching the top they were supposed to get the last train down but missed it. Guy from ticket office came over to car where I was and told me I was going to have to drive through the mountains to pick my friends up as they were going to hike back down a shorter route. Got told to look out for a church and restaurant. Of course being in the mountains these didn´t resemble anything like you´d see in a town. Came across this house (which turned out to be the restaurant) and managed to convey to the owner there what had happened. With time a few more people joined the group - conversation was limited though. Eventually they started to get concerned and one of the guys who worked as a mountain ranger took me up the mountain in his jeep and we quickly found my friends (they were almost down). I don't know whether it was the fact that they were so impressed with these two guys who had hiked up and down with no phones or map , but we ended up having a fantastic evening together, full of fun, drinks (I´m not sure but I think they offered us free food, certainly something was cooked for us) and then one of the guys, who owned a hotel in the valley below, invited us to stop by for coffee the next morning before we left. My personal thoughts regarding the Swiss (having experienced the Germans for 5 years) is that it takes some time to get below the surface, but when you do you have a great friend, and that most of the time, at least in Germany, they appear to somewhat envy the foreigner's free-way of living.

I´m really interested to hearing about Swiss in the French region, because right now I´m living in Germany and while it´s bearable, I´m planning to move and Switzerland is a possibility and I don´t want to end up in a place that is 10 times worse than Germany!
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dave, the fact that so many people join this forum speaks for itself. swiss generally have a harder time (than other folks) to accept what's not swiss.
after 15 years i couldn't develope love for this country and i don't know yet an expat with more than 10 years that love it neither. for many years i though i was the one with "integration" problems. but as i met more and more foreigners i'm able to say that i did and do all that is in my hands (included studying schwiizertüüscht, feel comfortable in the alps, cooking swiss, you name it.) to fit in this society, still i was able to fully accomplish it just at a superficial level. please check out the new facts cover report "schweizer mobben deutsche". i feel that germans are a powerful community that thanks it's reputation as reliable workers, can express with a fair amount of credibility what foreign employees have to go through working and living in switzerland. and for the majority with families and stuff moving from here is not so easy, if it would, i guarantee you that a big deal of expats would do it "ipso facto". i understand that a lot of new comers are very enthusiastic (as i was!) on the positive yet shallow aspects of the country, salaries, transport efficiency, low taxes, etc. ask them in 5 years...
At the end of the day though, you have a choice to continue living in Switzerland or not. It's silly staying in a place that so winds you up.

I didn't see the point in getting ever more hacked off at certain aspects of living in Switzerland (even after over 7 years) so I left. I probably should have done it 1-2 years sooner but it was very 'comfortable' in most of the material ways (secure, high salary, low taxes) and you tend to get a sort of sense of personal insecurity about leaving the place.....


On the positive side, I now find Switzerland an absolutely fab place to visit. You can enjoy all the pristine towns and countryside, skiing, good public transport, safety etc. whilst not being subject to the sort of peer pressure that can make it a bit of an emotional pressure cooker after a protracted period of residence.

Plus, I've quickly readjusted to a new life outside of CH and job-wise things are better than ever. So all my worries about moving have turned out to be unfounded and it's given me a confidance boost to know that I could do it.

If you're getting increasingly wound up (despite having lived there for years) then I seriously advocate moving out.

Gav
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At the end of the day though, you have a choice to continue living in Switzerland or not. It's silly staying in a place that so winds you up.

I didn't see the point in getting ever more hacked off at certain aspects of living in Switzerland (even after over 7 years) so I left. I probably should have done it 1-2 years sooner but it was very 'comfortable' in most of the material ways (secure, high salary, low taxes) and you tend to get a sort of sense of personal insecurity about leaving the place.....


On the positive side, I now find Switzerland an absolutely fab place to visit. You can enjoy all the pristine towns and countryside, skiing, good public transport, safety etc. whilst not being subject to the sort of peer pressure that can make it a bit of an emotional pressure cooker after a protracted period of residence.

Plus, I've quickly readjusted to a new life outside of CH and job-wise things are better than ever. So all my worries about moving have turned out to be unfounded and it's given me a confidance boost to know that I could do it.

If you're getting increasingly wound up (despite having lived there for years) then I seriously advocate moving out.

Gav
you're damn right, gav. but decisions are more complicated when you have family, kids in school age and a company you cannot take with you in a suitcase. if i would be on my own, you can bet the family's farm, i'd be already in some sunny place
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The first week I arrived to Basel, I went shopping. I was trying on some clothes in a dressing room when two girls who worked in the shop knocked on the door to see wether the clothes fit. When I replied in english, one of the girls grumped " she speaks ing english" in german and walked away. It was quite funny I think the problem was that she didnt know english and I dont think she meant to be nasty, but it was quite uncomfortable...
I was born in Europe, so the culture is familiar to me( people dont do fake smiles or pretend to be nice), but sometimes even I find some swiss rude...I think I had been living in UK for too long...
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The first week I arrived to Basel, I went shopping. I was trying on some clothes in a dressing room when two girls who worked in the shop knocked on the door to see wether the clothes fit. When I replied in english, one of the girls grumped " she speaks ing english" in german and walked away. It was quite funny I think the problem was that she didnt know english and I dont think she meant to be nasty, but it was quite uncomfortable...
I was born in Europe, so the culture is familiar to me( people dont do fake smiles or pretend to be nice), but sometimes even I find some swiss rude...I think I had been living in UK for too long...

I'd rather have the 'fake' friendliness than superficial politeness - but much of the friendliness in places like Britain and Ireland isn't actually fake. People really are more open, friendly and helpful.

It seems to be a Swiss mantra that you can't actually be 'friendly' with someone unless the friendship has been forged in steel over time. On the contrary, it's perfectly possible to be friendly and approachable even to a complete stranger. Not to the same degree as a long term friend of course but a friendly demeanour can certainly be genuine.


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I'd rather have the 'fake' friendliness than superficial politeness - but much of the friendliness in places like Britain and Ireland isn't actually fake. People really are more open, friendly and helpful.

It seems to be a Swiss mantra that you can't actually be 'friendly' with someone unless the friendship has been forged in steel over time. On the contrary, it's perfectly possible to be friendly and approachable even to a complete stranger. Not to the same degree as a long term friend of course but a friendly demeanour can certainly be genuine.


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I guess you are right in a way. I had some bad experience in UK though ( people friendly in your face and very nasty behind your back) Im not saying that all of them are like that. Maybe I was unlucky and I quess it happenes everywhere. However, I have a feeling that here in Switzerland, if a person doesnt like me, he/she will tell me to f... off straight away. To be honnest, I prefer that more...
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Re: Are the rumours about swiss people true

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The first week I arrived to Basel, I went shopping. I was trying on some clothes in a dressing room when two girls who worked in the shop knocked on the door to see wether the clothes fit. When I replied in english, one of the girls grumped " she speaks ing english" in german and walked away. It was quite funny I think the problem was that she didnt know english and I dont think she meant to be nasty, but it was quite uncomfortable...
I was born in Europe, so the culture is familiar to me( people dont do fake smiles or pretend to be nice), but sometimes even I find some swiss rude...I think I had been living in UK for too long...

D whats ing in German?
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