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Old 08.02.2007, 17:05
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However, I have a feeling that here in Switzerland, if a person doesnt like me, he/she will tell me to f... off straight away. To be honnest, I prefer that more...
Don't bet the house on it. It is a very passive-aggressive society here.
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Old 08.02.2007, 17:19
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Re: Are the rumours about swiss people true

Geez... I laughed like a drain at this thread... so much I agree with. I thought it was just me that thought like that now I know I am not alone!
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Old 08.02.2007, 18:28
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Re: Are the rumours about swiss people true

the superficial level is the natural level of swiss people zombie,dont worry you fit perfectly!!!
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Old 08.02.2007, 18:37
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Re: Are the rumours about swiss people true

I sincerely hope that there are forums somewhere in the UK & US where expat Swiss winge about what a bunch two-faced, shabbily dressed, ignorant, bad mannered bunch the locals are. I fear they are too polite to their hosts...
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I sincerely hope that there are forums somewhere in the UK & US where expat Swiss winge about what a bunch two-faced, shabbily dressed, ignorant, bad mannered bunch the locals are. I fear they are too polite to their hosts...
Yeah agreed. Too much winging going on here as if the Swiss owe us something.
Bottom line is that lot of humans are idiots. You will find plenty of idiots in CH and you will find plenty more outside CH. Deal with it everyone :-)

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I sincerely hope that there are forums somewhere in the UK & US where expat Swiss winge about what a bunch two-faced, shabbily dressed, ignorant, bad mannered bunch the locals are. I fear they are too polite to their hosts...
If there isn't, there should be!

Actually, I know of one for German speaking people in the UK. You should see some of the things they say on there...makes us look tame.
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Old 08.02.2007, 20:14
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the superficial level is the natural level of swiss people zombie,dont worry you fit perfectly!!!
hhmmm... th-thanks...
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Old 13.02.2007, 19:46
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If there isn't, there should be!

Actually, I know of one for German speaking people in the UK. You should see some of the things they say on there...makes us look tame.
I am whizzing myself....I have such a funny one to tell!

The following story makes fun of Americans.

I was walking with a new friend of mine (a Brit) the other day. He promised to accompany me to the train station as I didn't know my way there. After several minutes of walking in heels in the light rain, I asked him, "How much further is the tram stop that we need?"

He responded, "We don't need a tram. The station is just there, up ahead of us." I was a little surprised that we'd already walked most of the way and wouldn't be needing a tram. We were much closer to the station than I'd imagined.

The next thing out of my friend's mouth was even more surprising:

"It wasn't such a long walk, but I forgot that you're American. Should we have taken a 4-wheel-drive?"

I was so shocked (and a little offended) that I slowed down! Rumours and stereotypes suck, people! I am now able to laugh at how funny the joke was, though.

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Old 13.02.2007, 19:49
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<snip>"It wasn't such a long walk, but I forgot that you're American. Should we have taken a 4-wheel-drive?"

I was so shocked (and a little offended) that I slowed down! Rumours and stereotypes suck, people! I am now able to laugh at how funny the joke was, though.

And I bet he didn't show a glimmer of a smile...
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Old 13.02.2007, 19:57
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And I bet he didn't show a glimmer of a smile...
Sho' didn't! I couldn't help myself from smiling, though! Offended and all, a good one is a good one!!!!!
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Old 19.02.2007, 17:00
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Re: Are the rumours about swiss people true

Wow, I've read through this thread. I joined this group to read, to learn, to ask questions. I've been to Switzland a few times for vacation years ago, over 25 years is the last time I was there so I came here to ask some questions and maybe even meet some people.

My parents grew up in Switzerland but left 60 years ago. My mom never wanted to leave it was my father who forced the issue. I was born and raised in the USA NYC to be exact, Manhattan. I live in Montreal now my husband is french canadian. I can't leave till he retires unless I want to divorce him and I don't. I love him, he is a good person.

I hope to retire with my husband in Switzerland as my first choice, if not then we will move to the USA, but we are leaving Canada. Why? because I want clean hospitals, quality healthcare, when I am sick I don't want to wait 6 months for a cancer operation. I don't want to have to fight to get chemo. I want choices. I don't want the gov't telling me I can't sell my house/car/take a loan out to buy a better chemo drug that can save my life. Language, we have language police here. They can shut you down if you don't have french first, french bigger than the enlish or any english on the "outside". They can go into your company and look if your computer has french on it. I don't want the gov't controlling my healthcare to the point of telling me, you take what you get, when you get it and how you get it and put a smile on your face and say thank you for playing with your life.

Friendly, maybe, but if you are American living here, you get S*** on enough. I attended a party of husband's clients and for 5 hours I had to hear how bad Americans are. I had to hear and continue to hear how it's ok to die and be homeless and starve to death if necessary to preserve the french language at all costs. I had to hear that 9/11 is a good thing because maybe it will create jobs, that we had it coming.
All while they run to Florida and Maine and the US for holidays. If it's so bad why go? Why put your kid in school there? I'm tired of hearing about a "pure race" (french canadian). And that they lost the right to seperate because of "money and ethnics".

Neighbors, I live in a condo and they are miserable nasty people. Language, Canada has TWO official langauges, english and french, but try to go to a hospital here and get any kind of decent treatment in english most often. I speak french but when suffering, it's hard to find every word. My husband who is and of the so called pure race , french canadian laid in the hallway for 9 hours during an emergency. You lay in the hallway and 630 people died from the filth in the hospital here.

As for peer pressure, I worked in NYC, I grew up there and there is enough pressure on which handbag you wear, what you wear, what designer raincoat. My boss in NYC over 25 years ago suggested I buy a Burberry if I want to "get ahead". What was on my back was always checked out at work. I don't like makeup but a fellow female worker came up to me in NYC and told me I looked crabby because I don't wear makup and I should. You think you are not judged but you are. You are judged by what is on your back in NYC, who cuts your hair, if your nails are "done". You have to keep up to fit in in the workplace.

Our taxes are the highest. Until last year we paid 15% on everything in sales tax and that included a lawyer and a plumber. Our income taxes are so high, up to 50% if not 52%, so healthcare is not free like people think and the quality is bad. 8 people sitting at the doctors office for the same 1pm appt. You book 6 months in advance and then they can still cancel you. I could go on but I won't. I speak for Quebec I don't know the rest of Canada.

I go to the US whenever I can for healthcare. I had breast cancer and I'm terriefed of landing up in a hospital here. Can you imagine telling your spouse, please if I have a heart attack and you can't bring me across the boarder let me die, just don't put me in a hospital here. Please, I'd rather die than go to a hospital. I live in fear every day, not just of my cancer coming back but that I will need medical care here.

My friend's grandfather is laying in a hospital with cancer and his doctor as not seen him in a week. He is laying in his own filth. And he is french canadian so not even a "country/people" thing.

As for fitting in, I tried to fit in, but when people who came to my house and ate my food and drank my booze told me "we had it coming" I cleaned house and gave up my so called "friends".

Do I have a choice to leave, sure if I want to divorce a good man who is a good husband. Other than that no I can't leave till he retires.

My mom lives here (in her own place) why did she come, because I'm her only living relative in the whole wide world. She never spoke to her neighbor down the hall, she came at 75 and she was about 80 when the man 8 doors down who she never really even saw, wrote F*** you immigrant on her door because she is a foreigner and she speaks fluent french. She knows it's him because the janitor told her when he had to clean it.

Switzerland doesn't look so bad right now. Actually it sounds pretty good. Decent healthcare, clean hospitals, rules that actually are followed and applied.

Stares, I think the people in the picture would get looked at here too, or criticized behind their back at least. They would not get stared at in NYC or here for fear of being attacked but not because they are "totally accepted".

I know I'm new here. Maybe I don't have the right to write what I did, but I just can't help it.

I write this so before anyone makes any hasty choices or decisions you might think about how good y'all have it there. No place is perfect, but I'll take clean decent healthcare as a #1 priority. When I was in my 20s I didn't think about it, I thought I'd never get sick like that. But as I got older and I'm not that old, I realize there are priorities.

I'd rather have less friendly and more honesty.
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Old 19.02.2007, 17:36
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Re: Are the rumours about swiss people true

Hi Cashmere,

Looks like you want a desert island, not Switzerland - and a new thread for this post (Are the rumours about Canadian people true?)...
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Old 19.02.2007, 17:58
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Re: Are the rumours about swiss people true

Hi AbFab
No I don't want a desert island, just Switzerland. A lot of what I have read in many of threads are true. I see a lot of what is written in my mom. Not saying if it's good or bad.

I like people. In all fairness, I have to say that here, I joined an American Club and had to produce a passport to show I'm American to join a social club. I joined a Swiss Club and I got to join just because I said my parents were Swiss. They didn't ask any more questions. They accepted me as one of their own and I wasn't even born in CH. The American Club can't get their act together and have such infighting that it's amazing to me.

I just want honesty and decent healthcare. If my neighbors are not friendly but treat me fairly I can live with that.

I hope my post was not misunderstood. I wrote it because I envy all of you for living in Switzerland.

I also wrote it because I think people everywhere judge, look, criticize, wheather to our face or behind our backs.

Before anyone made any "hasty" decisions, I wanted them to maybe look at what good they do have.

I'm truely sorry if I offended you or anyone else. That was not my intent.

I wrote it to give another perspective on what's it's like for a "foreigner" to live in another country and before being hasty and makeing major life changes and decisions to think about how it will be somewhere else other than your home country.

I learned that living in a foreign country will always be different that my own. That was my intent. Not to offend or hurt. I appologize
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Re: Are the rumours about swiss people true

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I like people. In all fairness, I have to say that here, I joined an American Club and had to produce a passport to show I'm American to join a social club. I joined a Swiss Club and I got to join just because I said my parents were Swiss. They didn't ask any more questions. They accepted me as one of their own and I wasn't even born in CH. The American Club can't get their act together and have such infighting that it's amazing to me.
That was a Swiss club, it wasn't necessarily being welcomed into Swiss society. You will probably be known to them as an American.

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I just want honesty and decent healthcare.
The Swiss are not necessarily satisfied with their healthcare system. They're holding a referendum on introducing a government-led system in March.

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I hope my post was not misunderstood. I wrote it because I envy all of you for living in Switzerland.
I wouldn't envy me. Try coming here at 22 with only an American BA -- you'll go crazy looking for work. I think individuals can have bad experiences in every country, and Switzerland is not going to be a cureall.
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Re: Are the rumours about swiss people true

Hi,

Can you please tell me more about the referendum on healthcare? Or any place I can read about it in english? This would be most appreciated.

No Switzerland is not a cure-all, you are right. I know that. No place is perfect.

And very true that the Swiss Club is not the same as living in CH, but all the other members are true Swiss. The American Club requires a passport and used to allow spouses of non-americans to come. The last president of the club changed the rules and said, only "americans" can come to the cocktails. It's held in a public bar and we pay for our own drinks so they couldn't keep anyone officially out.

Your last sentance says it perfectly. There are bad experiences in all countries and amongst all people.

You would not have it any easier here to find work if you don't speak french (province of Quebec) even if you had an MBA. I can tell you of people here who have masters degrees who are canadian born in Canada, who can't find a job here in Quebec because they are not perfect in french, even in the computer industry.

That was my point, that it's not necessarily perfect in other places and some places can have it worse in things that are matters of "life and death".
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Re: Are the rumours about swiss people true

Ah Utopia. Doubtless full of Amazonian women....
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It reminds me of Far Side cartoon in which two cows are looking longingly across the valley to the fertile pastures on the other side and one of them starts getting poetic:

"As I look across the valley green
and I gaze upon the sweet sweet grass.
Damn the electric fence !
Damn the electric fence!"

It no paradise here. The grass is always greener on the other side.
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Re: Are the rumours about swiss people true

You're right man ! No place is perfect, and human aren't satisfied by what they have. We better might be happy to be all together, with people that we love, in a safe country.


I'm glad to be here, and I really would like to meet other British people in Lausanne.

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Re: Are the rumours about swiss people true

16 years ago I moved from Yorkshire to London and could not believe how unfriendly and cold Londoners were (not to mention rude). I stuck at it and made some amazing friends there.

I learnt from that and now I've come to Switzerland and have had no such problems. I live near a small town in the sticks and everyone has been really friendly and welcoming (including our neighbour farmers - you want rude, try English farmers - even in Yorkshire!). The only coldness I experienced at the beginning was from a girl serving at the post office but I smiled and was pleasant and friendly. She now chats away to me to practice her English like we were old buddies.

When you travel to different countries you (should) realise that peoples habits and behaviour are different - that's all, just different to what you're used to. Very few people go out of thier way to be rude. Behave as you would expect others to behave to you. You may be pleasantly surprised. And if you don't like it here, for Gods sake go home!

I love it here.
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I have not thoroughly read every single message, more like skimmed for information. But has anyone else noticed people publicly urinating (eg in Bern, in Bärenplatz on the outside of the phone booth i was standing in! ) in clear view of everyone and in broad daylight? maybe it was deliberate!
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