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Re: Are the rumours about swiss people true

I think the staring is a German phenomenon rather than Swiss.

I've been to Bavaria a few times and it's fairly blatant, especially when you travel with a guy with a turban on! One german was staring at us so much when we were at Munich Railway station he fell over some suitcases - everyone stared at him then - there is a God!

Went to Lausanne near Geneva last week for a few days. There was no staring and everyone was very helpful and polite.
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the rumours of swiss folks bashing foreigners confirmed by a probable wilhelm tell re

i was ten days to laax snowboarding with the family. we have stayed at the hostal of an "old swiss" (his family live there ever since). one morning during breakfast my wife received an sms from an office co-worker who was afraid of being fired because of being ill too often. my wife commented this loudly and the hostal owner asked her "is she from zürich?" and she replied, "yes". "no, i mean, is she swiss?" he reformulated the question. my wife again, "yes, she is swiss". "aha, she shouldn't be so afraid, that's the kind of things they do to foreigners, not to swiss..." my wife and i stared to each other with surprise, and he went further "yes, yes, they do it all the time." we were astonished by the uncompromised display of honesty. this not being said by any angry "ausländer" but by a deep rooted swiss old dude. (yes, i know, wilhelm tell never existed...)
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Re: Are the rumours about swiss people true

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"Hello everyone

Im currently considering accepting a contract for spending a while longer working in Switzerland. So far Im really unsure.

Ive been here for 2 months now .."


If you're unsure after 2 months, then personally I'd say, stay longer.
The rumours aren't true.
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Some Swiss have a great sense of humour - others not.
Same as England, same as anywhere else.

One thing I do find is that the proportion of "f**kwits" is lower than England. The Swiss might be inflexible, but they're not lazy and won't lie to you like some Brits "I never received your e-mail/fax/payment".

What is your best talent?

Football, squash, skiing, chess, plane-spotting, nude painting???

Whatever it is, they'll be a Club for it in your area.
Join it and have fun.
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I miss small talk, I miss banter, I miss LAUGHING! I get tired of everyone being so bloody critical of everyone else (how's that for irony) but I also realize that the reason everything runs so smoothly here is because everyone is making sure everyone else does everything right. It's EXHAUSTING!
Just to let you know how much I feel you there... It's been literally killing me how 'under control' everything was... To the point of suffocation! I really hope you'll keep looking for the positive points. I must say, all the positive in the world couldn't bring me back to Switzerland! I miss the UK after 3 days, not having the small talk and the humour!

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*bites tongue really hard*
All I shall say is that I'm glad we don't further encourage the kind of idiot car that requires 21" tyres. And if that is a true problem, I'd really like your life.
LOL do you have your own list of cars that you want people to drive? I like big cars myself. I guess if someone has a nicer car than yours, they are not necessarily stupid but they are more probably more richer than you.
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Re: Are the rumours about swiss people true

where are all the people on their moral/humanist/PC high horses when you need them ?

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This thread has has been very interesting. I had an experience yesterday that first brought me to the point of angry tears while at the train station yesterday in Biel. And for some reason from there my thought process started to change.

While entering the train there was exactly one person getting into the train (me) and one person getting out at a particular door. As I moved to the side to let the woman out, she did not take advantage of the abundant space all around but instead chose to walk directly into me while pushing me quite a distance. This is behavior I often witness in Switzerland, and the Swiss are notorious among expats for their inability to form a proper queue and for rudely bumping into people on the street. There is more than one story of an anglo-saxon expat going home crying after an afternoon walking around in downtown Switzerland. I’ve experienced other things which make me all tight and tense. For example, sitting in an almost empty dining car it has happened that someone will choose to sit at my table instead of simply taking their own table. Since I am not a social butterfly and find talking tiresome and boring, I am generally not pleased. North Americans and Europeans tend to have very different ideas concerning personal space anyway.

Or do they?

As I sat in the train, boiling and upset at the rudeness of a woman I will never see again I thought: Maybe it is me.

Maybe it is my fault she ran into me.

Outwardly there was nothing visible which could lead anyone to believe I provoked an attack. Had I been pushed under the train and badly injured, there would have been no question to someone watching a tape that I was standing neatly and politely to the side and was victim of a good ramming. However, I have come to realize that we vibrate and send out signals. So, I considered what I might have been radiating and it brought me to the topic of

Personal Space and Boundaries

Personally speaking, I often get the feeling people violate my personal space. That means they act in such a way that leaves me feeling violated, upset and sometimes aggressive. It comes in various ways like today at the train station, in the form of unwanted and inappropriate “suggestions” and “feedback” from teachers or colleagues, or in the form of slimy sexual advances by freaks on the street. I’ve learned to deal with things in my own way, of course.

In a dining car I will just stand up and go to another table. In rehearsal I’ve simply started telling people the truth when I don’t want to hear what they have to say. If they cannot stop, I’ve developed the courage to simply walk away mid-sentence when I pick up on ugly vibrations. With teachers or other ”judges” I sometimes sing badly on purpose so they will not have access to parts of me I do not wish to show. On the street I’ve learned to simply mind my own business and avoid eye contact. I’ve become good at sending the “stay away” signal.

And yet, with all my coping mechanisms there is something important that my years of psychotherapy have taught me.

I’ve learned that if something happens to you in your life, you’ve attracted it and you are responsible for it. Obviously I attract a lot of more or less subtle violations into my daily life and therefore must be sending the signal that it is okay to violate me. One of my signals is silently screaming “Over here! Over here! Come get too close! I want to be violated and obviously you want to do some violating!”.

If you don't experience this, I am guessing you were raised with healthy self-confidence by people who loved you just the way you were and respected your boundaries.

Obviously I am not at that point yet, and I am willing to bet most people in our hemisphere are not. In Switzerland the violations may be more obvious, whereas in the States they were always done with a smile.

It occured to me though, that if it is possible to send out the signal “Violate me please” (aka ram into me, stare at me weirdly, sit too close, or be rude to my face) it is possible to learn to send other signals like “This is a woman who deserves respect” or “There are certain boundaries which are not to be crossed here” or something like that.

Anyway, that is where I am at at the moment. I just realized complaining about things is not going to help the situation. You've got to change.

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Re: Are the rumours about swiss people true

I don't really know what to say about the last post but perhaps you might be a bit sensitive. I think violate is a very strong word and if so many people "violate" you on a day to day basis, I'm guessing the problem kinda might maybe it is you. I have a few harsh words of advice. Get over it. No one is doing anything to you in particular on purpose. The difference between you and other people is that perhaps when these types of things happen, other people don't feel "violated." They get on with their day without taking it to heart.

I'm glad there has been some realization that the problem lies within.
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I don't really know what to say about the last post but perhaps you might be a bit sensitive. I think violate is a very strong word and if so many people "violate" you on a day to day basis, I'm guessing the problem kinda might maybe it is you. I have a few harsh words of advice. Get over it. No one is doing anything to you in particular on purpose. The difference between you and other people is that perhaps when these types of things happen, other people don't feel "violated." They get on with their day without taking it to heart.
Did you read what I wrote? Of course it is me - that is what I said. My point is, all the complaints listed on the thread have their source with the person making them and not with something outside. If your colleagues are mean to you at work and it upsets you, it is better to consider what you are doing to cause it than complain that all Swiss are mean.
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I heard they eat their young.

And they shoot horses. Don't they?
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Did you read what I wrote? Of course it is me - that is what I said. My point is, all the complaints listed on the thread have their source with the person making them and not with something outside. If your colleagues are mean to you at work and it upsets you, it is better to consider what you are doing to cause it than complain that all Swiss are mean.
Crikey, Schnubbu. Where I come from "violated" means something pretty harsh (a violent attack or rape or something), I think you just mean you are irritated or bothered by the behaviour. Can I ask if you are living in a city in Switzerland?

If you are, and you moved from a more rural area, you will find that people move faster, are rougher and possibly will bump into you. They don't mean it as a personal attack - you were just in their way and they were probably in a rush.

I'm not saying it's right and I had my problems with it when I first came here (I moved from a sleepy commuter village in England to the middle of Zurich) but you have to get yourself up to speed and learn to take the knocks. Otherwise, you should consider moving out to one of the slower-paced villages outside of the cities.

The Swiss don't have a monopoly on being rough and jostling people. In all the cities I've been to around the world, I've witnessed the same treatment (for heavens sake don't go to Paris, it's jostle-central where you get bumped about for fun).

If you don't like people sitting near you on the train, my best tip is to sit facing the opposite way to the way you are travelling. The Swiss seem to have this inherent fear of travellling backwards on trains and trams so they'll take up all the forward facing seats, and the empty seat next to you will be low on their list.

Next best tip is to just relax and put a smile on your face; for all the bumping and jostling, and idle chatter on trains you are likely to encounter, you will find lots more examples of kindness and friendliness if you look happy.
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I heard they eat their young.

And they shoot horses. Don't they?
Actually, if the kids want to avoid being eaten, they have to do the horse-shooting. And Money Laundering after school, obviously. How else do you think I survived in this dreadful, dreadful, uncivilised, no-opportunities country where I was born?

In other words - the only people who need to lighten up are those who come here and expect all the advantages AND for it to be exactly like home. No better than the German tourists who seem to think that Mallorca is actually German territory and don't even try to speak Spanish.

Honestly, it's pathetic. If you don't like it, there are plenty of other places on the planet. I hear Darfur is exciting and trying to change the world there might actually do some good beyond moaning.

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LOL do you have your own list of cars that you want people to drive? I like big cars myself. I guess if someone has a nicer car than yours, they are not necessarily stupid but they are more probably more richer than you.
More richer? What a stunning command of language...

The old "I am considerably richer than yaaa-ou" argument, classic. And so DEEP. Mate, I can fly a plane and have chosen not to drive (so far). Jealous of cars? Not really.

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Actually, if the kids want to avoid being eaten, More richer? What a stunning command of language...

The old "I am considerably richer than yaaa-ou" argument, classic. And so DEEP. Mate, I can fly a plane and have chosen not to drive (so far). Jealous of cars? Not really.
LOL! I guess I speak better English than some Swiss woman who is pretending to speak British English and is desperately trying to pick up expat guys but complains about how expats should behave. Didn't you tell on one of the threads that expats to leave Switzerland if they don't like there?
It is DEEP, and people like you get so pissed when others start talking about that subject. Mate? LMAO, you fail miserably pretending to talk like a Brit.

p.s. just google "more richer" and you will see that many publications and newspapers use the term "more richer". But then again maybe you speak better English than the native speakers.
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And they shoot horses. Don't they?
Sorry to pop your bubble, dod.

We eat our horses (and dogs while we're at it) and shoot our young.

A subtle difference, if I may say so
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LOL! I guess I speak better English than some Swiss woman who is pretending to speak British English and is desperately trying to pick up expat guys but complains about how expats should behave. Didn't you tell on one of the threads that expats to leave Switzerland if they don't like there?
It is DEEP, and people like you get so pissed when others start talking about that subject. Mate? LMAO, you fail miserably pretending to talk like a Brit.

p.s. just google "more richer" and you will see that many publications and newspapers use the term "more richer". But then again maybe you speak better English than the native speakers.
Hmmmm... Tiger Tiger. And how exactly do you define "speaking like a Brit?" Hugh Grant bumbling as the token clumsy Brit or something more Rab C Nesbitt-esque?

I speak with a northern accent which keeps (for some bizarre reason) getting confused with an Aussie accent.
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p.s. just google "more richer" and you will see ...
... that there are lots of people who can't speak English proper like.
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So I'm not British, interesting. How on earth did I obtain a British passport? And 5 A-Levels? And a place at Durham University? Maybe it is because my mother is British? Could be a clue... But then dual nationality is a difficult concept, I know, you can't help not understanding.

As for picking up guys, I'd rather not, it'd hurt my back, but thanks for the suggestion.

Marmoset, why stop at the young? Usually it's the whole family when things turn bad. Having guns at home is sooo convenient.
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Marmoset, why stop at the young? Usually it's the whole family when things turn bad. Having guns at home is sooo convenient.
Well, we DO have a reputation for efficiency to uphold, don't we now?
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Well, we DO have a reputation for efficiency to uphold, don't we now?
Absolutely, why else would all the men have to practise shooting once a year, with a fine if you don't go? If you do something, do it right.
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Im not quite sure who that quote was aimed at... But as i keep trying to say, These arent my views on Swiss way of life. Instead if you read through what i originally wrote again, you will understand I was asking what people thought of the swiss way of life and if they ever experience moments where some of those rumours are true...
hello dear mister staefa... you can choose: trust other people's opinions and don't come to switzerland... or trust yourself and just do it! if nothing else - call it "swiss research"... you choose! cheers, princess (a boring swiss lady)
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