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Re: Are the rumours about swiss people true

Compared to London, Geneva is a dream...

It took me quite a while to get used to people saying hello and goodbye just entering a lift lol ... when I first arrived my first reaction to this courtesy was " ok what do you want ? money ? sex ?" your first thoughts in London as it attracts the wierd and troubled ... a place where no one looks you in the eye just in case you may talk to them ...

I'm not so familiar with the German part but I miss the humanity of Geneva, the people for the most part are lovely...
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Compared to London, Geneva is a dream...

It took me quite a while to get used to people saying hello and goodbye just entering a lift lol ... when I first arrived my first reaction to this courtesy was " ok what do you want ? money ? sex ?" your first thoughts in London as it attracts the wierd and troubled ... a place where no one looks you in the eye just in case you may talk to them ...

I'm not so familiar with the German part but I miss the humanity of Geneva, the people for the most part are lovely...
I think for the most part that is true of Zürich too. It's generally a lot friendlier than London. But it's a bit like comparing a BMW car to a Supertanker. You can't get much meaning from a comparison. I have to say I find most Swiss people very friendly and considerate. They have their quirks but don't we all!
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Re: Are the rumours about swiss people true

Well, to some extent the rumors are true for older generation. The younger people are quite tolerable and enjoy life like other western ways.

But one thing to note here is that due to such disciplined behavior they've made a small city like Zurich one of the best places to live in. The discipline and cleanness is the result of such thinking after all.

I certainly disagree that Swiss people make their life miserable!
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starting to get used to the looks when you are talking on the phone in english and how people seem to think they dont have to move or hold a door open for anyone but themselves. .
polite people around the globe including Switzerland do hold a door open for the next ones while impolite people do not.

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shocking rumours about the depressing gloomy way swiss people live their lives. Some rumours ive heard are mostly about the Swiss being the world’s most miserable creatures. Baffled and affronted by anyone who tries to make a joke, they fanatically disapprove of any humour that rises above the level of a clown being hit with a stick, though if you spill soup down your shirt they will laugh. .
I never in Switzerland met anybody who "fanatically disapproved of any humour" but I in all countries I have ever been met people who simply refused to accept humour, and I by this clearly included the U.K.o.G.B.+N.I.

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irrevelant things such as how you tie your rubish bag, when shops should close and nailing their "gestattet" signs on every street corner and will of course stick their nose in and instruct you what you can and cant do everywhere .
- you should start to assimilate and realize that how you tie your rubbish bag and where and when and how you deposit them is of vital and crucial importance and under no circumstances subject to any kind of humour

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Hoping some people could give us some tips for avoiding dirty looks when speaking english ect.
I know a lady who grew up tri-lingual with Italian, English and Arabic and who after having moved to Switzerland and married talked with her children at first usually in Italian until realising that this was downclassing her children in a way and then changed to English which was "upgrading" them. So that the point about the "dirty looks" either is that you on the mobile-phone (Natel) speak too loudly (many people do so, and forget that it is a TELEphone) or whatever.



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watching too much "Arena" on SF1.
doing so is enjoying masochism !

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observe Swiss youths attempt it! ("I call you later" -- Swiss German mistake... as there is no future tense in Swiss German.).
There in fact IS a future tense in Swiss German, but right as in Standard German it is not used as often as in English. Let's pick your example
English : I will call (you) later
Formal Standard German : Ich werde (Dich/Sie) später wieder anrufen
real Standard German : Ich rufe später wieder an
Formal Swiss-German : Ich wirde Dier schpääter nomal alüüte
real Swiss-German : Ich lüüte schpääter nomal a
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what however is missing in Swiss German is the "simple past" (Imperfekt), and the Imperfekt is heavily disliked by people in many parts of Austria and Germany even when being available in a way. So that German speakers in English may state "I have advised them yesterday at 15.00"

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in my 'Swiss family' the men kiss each other of the cheeks. Somewhat over the top to a Brit....
Well, at least in German speaking Switzerland, men in general do NOT kiss each other at any time, it is a bit more likely in French speaking Switzerland, and of course fairly common in Arab countries.

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Well, to some extent the rumors are true for older generation. The younger people are quite tolerable and enjoy life like other western ways.
Absolutely .. this is the best definition of Swiss today.
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Hoi mitenand,

I have lived in Schaffhausen for 10 years now and I am afraid to say life here is not easy at all though I am a native speaker of standard German. Switzerland is nice for a holiday if I could choose I'd rather go home today than tomorrow.

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But after 10 years you now should speak fluently Schafuserisch ! Don't you ?
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woooohoooo...Brits Abroad i say! The swiss are like this at times, but its gets to them when you try to live your own life.

I still have x amounts of issues when trying to use the washing machine, the apartment blocker keeper keeps telling me how to use the machine, i have been in that apartment for 2 years now and she still tells!

I say you try to ignore all that and look ahead and enjoy your time here...
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OMG.....aaaaarrrrrgggggghhhhh!!!

I will never learn this language.
Cant everyone just learn English



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There in fact IS a future tense in Swiss German, but right as in Standard German it is not used as often as in English. Let's pick your example
English : I will call (you) later
Formal Standard German : Ich werde (Dich/Sie) später wieder anrufen
real Standard German : Ich rufe später wieder an
Formal Swiss-German : Ich wirde Dier schpääter nomal alüüte
real Swiss-German : Ich lüüte schpääter nomal a
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what however is missing in Swiss German is the "simple past" (Imperfekt), and the Imperfekt is heavily disliked by people in many parts of Austria and Germany even when being available in a way. So that German speakers in English may state "I have advised them yesterday at 15.00"
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German speakers in English may state "I have advised them yesterday at 15.00"
I forgot to write the translation of that :
Standard German : Ich habe sie gestern um 15Uhr avisiert
Swiss German : Ich hann diä geschter am drüü avisiärt

And here a nice text in Standard-German for training :
Der Coburger-Kottbusser Postkutschen-Kutscher putzt den Coburger-Kottbusser Postkutschen-Kasten

and the other one :
Fischer's Fritz fischt frische Fische



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All the rumours are true, they are nasty, false people that only like your money.. They seem polite when you are visiting (= client and therefore spending your money) the moment you start to live here, they screw you over and over again. I am Dutch and come from a similar culture of penny ers but here they are the best. I regret every day that I am here. Since I needed to pay a full year rent in advance and 2 months deposit I am stuck until February. Probably I won't get my deposit back either since to get money from them is impossible. Its a nice place for non-educated immigrants from poor places who marry someone here (The Swiss all marry Ting-Tong's) wedding ring = entrance to Swiss for poor immigrants and the Swiss are perverse people, they are ugly on both the inside and outside and therefore the only way to get a personal slave is marry one from Thailand, Russia etc.. after 8 months here nothing surprises me anymore (I lived in several countries, but this is by far the most nasty one) And never forget how they got rich... that mentality is deep in their system and on top of that no self reflection whatsoever. If you comment the answer is: then off, this is paradise! I wonder if the victims of their theft also think that. My advice: only go here if you have nothing to loose or if you have already a job BEFORE you move. Otherwise you will suffer badly and they will take advantage of every single penny you have
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All the rumours are true, they are nasty, false people that only like your money.. They seem polite when you are visiting (= client and therefore spending your money) the moment you start to live here, they screw you over and over again. I am Dutch and come from a similar culture of penny ers but here they are the best. I regret every day that I am here. Since I needed to pay a full year rent in advance and 2 months deposit I am stuck until February. Probably I won't get my deposit back either since to get money from them is impossible. Its a nice place for non-educated immigrants from poor places who marry someone here (The Swiss all marry Ting-Tong's) wedding ring = entrance to Swiss for poor immigrants and the Swiss are perverse people, they are ugly on both the inside and outside and therefore the only way to get a personal slave is marry one from Thailand, Russia etc.. after 8 months here nothing surprises me anymore (I lived in several countries, but this is by far the most nasty one) And never forget how they got rich... that mentality is deep in their system and on top of that no self reflection whatsoever. If you comment the answer is: then off, this is paradise! I wonder if the victims of their theft also think that. My advice: only go here if you have nothing to loose or if you have already a job BEFORE you move. Otherwise you will suffer badly and they will take advantage of every single penny you have

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All the rumours are true, they are nasty, false people that only like your money.. They seem polite when you are visiting (= client and therefore spending your money) the moment you start to live here, they screw you over and over again. I am Dutch and come from a similar culture of penny ers but here they are the best. I regret every day that I am here. Since I needed to pay a full year rent in advance and 2 months deposit I am stuck until February. Probably I won't get my deposit back either since to get money from them is impossible. Its a nice place for non-educated immigrants from poor places who marry someone here (The Swiss all marry Ting-Tong's) wedding ring = entrance to Swiss for poor immigrants and the Swiss are perverse people, they are ugly on both the inside and outside and therefore the only way to get a personal slave is marry one from Thailand, Russia etc.. after 8 months here nothing surprises me anymore (I lived in several countries, but this is by far the most nasty one) And never forget how they got rich... that mentality is deep in their system and on top of that no self reflection whatsoever. If you comment the answer is: then off, this is paradise! I wonder if the victims of their theft also think that. My advice: only go here if you have nothing to loose or if you have already a job BEFORE you move. Otherwise you will suffer badly and they will take advantage of every single penny you have
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I got an email from Adecco in Zurich (and I speak fluently German, English, Dutch) saying this: "We do not help Auslander, that is our policy" I am still thinking to sue them, or just delete this place from my mind when I am leaving January. Please advice? In Holland you will be scentensed for discrimination
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Am I missing something on the bit about holding the door? It's the exact opposite here, in my experience. Men don't just hold the door for you - they wait for you to go through first.
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All the rumours are true, they are nasty, false people that only like your money.. They seem polite when you are visiting (= client and therefore spending your money) the moment you start to live here, they screw you over and over again. I am Dutch and come from a similar culture of penny ers but here they are the best. I regret every day that I am here. Since I needed to pay a full year rent in advance and 2 months deposit I am stuck until February. Probably I won't get my deposit back either since to get money from them is impossible. Its a nice place for non-educated immigrants from poor places who marry someone here (The Swiss all marry Ting-Tong's) wedding ring = entrance to Swiss for poor immigrants and the Swiss are perverse people, they are ugly on both the inside and outside and therefore the only way to get a personal slave is marry one from Thailand, Russia etc.. after 8 months here nothing surprises me anymore (I lived in several countries, but this is by far the most nasty one) And never forget how they got rich... that mentality is deep in their system and on top of that no self reflection whatsoever. If you comment the answer is: then off, this is paradise! I wonder if the victims of their theft also think that. My advice: only go here if you have nothing to loose or if you have already a job BEFORE you move. Otherwise you will suffer badly and they will take advantage of every single penny you have
I'm happy you found an outlet to express your frustrations. Remember you chose to come here? If you'd rather not stay, what is it that keeps you here? Hope you find the next stage in your life soon, and that your expectations will be more fulfilled. Sometimes, regardless of the way some Swiss treat foreigners administratively, socially, politically occupationally there are as in any society exceptions. I hope you find more likeminded people to share with.

One thing you haven't addressed is your proficiency in the local language, as a Dutch do you speak German? Is it of a level to start learning Swiss german? This usually helps with social interactions whether commercially, or otherwise.
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All the rumours are true, whine whine whine
Sounds like you are a sad case. Lucky you didn't go somewhere where life is difficult...
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I got an email from Adecco in Zurich (and I speak fluently German, English, Dutch) saying this: "We do not help Auslander, that is our policy" I am still thinking to sue them, or just delete this place from my mind when I am leaving January. Please advice? In Holland you will be scentensed for discrimination
OK in order to answer that we'd need to know what you sent them and what they sent back in the languages used. I'm not asking to see that, but if you think you have a case, get a lawyer like in any country governed by laws/Rechtstaat.

Secondly for the languages you are fluent in, do you have certifications for those languages that you provided?

Thirdly there is a Dutch agency Randstad in Zürich-Oerlikon. Tried them? At least you could appeal to Head Office back home maybe.....

Not everyone is here to help you. Swiss expect you to help yourself. All you can expect is to be treated fairly and professionally. Nowhere's perfect. Oh and although you don't see it as much here as elsewhere, there is a recession going on particularly for smaller companies, and unemployment is over-represented in younger people with less experience than in the general population. Perhaps these "non-personal" considerations are also factors.
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All the rumours are true, they are nasty, false people that only like your money.. They seem polite when you are visiting (= client and therefore spending your money) the moment you start to live here, they screw you over and over again. I am Dutch and come from a similar culture of penny ers but here they are the best. I regret every day that I am here. Since I needed to pay a full year rent in advance and 2 months deposit I am stuck until February. Probably I won't get my deposit back either since to get money from them is impossible. Its a nice place for non-educated immigrants from poor places who marry someone here (The Swiss all marry Ting-Tong's) wedding ring = entrance to Swiss for poor immigrants and the Swiss are perverse people, they are ugly on both the inside and outside and therefore the only way to get a personal slave is marry one from Thailand, Russia etc.. after 8 months here nothing surprises me anymore (I lived in several countries, but this is by far the most nasty one) And never forget how they got rich... that mentality is deep in their system and on top of that no self reflection whatsoever. If you comment the answer is: then off, this is paradise! I wonder if the victims of their theft also think that. My advice: only go here if you have nothing to loose or if you have already a job BEFORE you move. Otherwise you will suffer badly and they will take advantage of every single penny you have
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All the rumours are true, they are nasty, false people that only like your money.. They seem polite when you are visiting (= client and therefore spending your money) the moment you start to live here, they screw you over and over again. I am Dutch and come from a similar culture of penny ers but here they are the best. I regret every day that I am here. Since I needed to pay a full year rent in advance and 2 months deposit I am stuck until February. Probably I won't get my deposit back either since to get money from them is impossible. Its a nice place for non-educated immigrants from poor places who marry someone here (The Swiss all marry Ting-Tong's) wedding ring = entrance to Swiss for poor immigrants and the Swiss are perverse people, they are ugly on both the inside and outside and therefore the only way to get a personal slave is marry one from Thailand, Russia etc.. after 8 months here nothing surprises me anymore (I lived in several countries, but this is by far the most nasty one) And never forget how they got rich... that mentality is deep in their system and on top of that no self reflection whatsoever. If you comment the answer is: then off, this is paradise! I wonder if the victims of their theft also think that. My advice: only go here if you have nothing to loose or if you have already a job BEFORE you move. Otherwise you will suffer badly and they will take advantage of every single penny you have
Actually, that's a fairly accurate description of Switzerland.
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I've been here more than forty years. My late wife was from Thurgau and she was a wonderful women. The forty+ years have been happy ones for me and I was rarely confronted here with the ignorance of about everything that prevailed and prevails in the UK.

Getting pissed at every opportunity (and finding it funny?) isn't something for me and my Swiss friends as it is for the English - or is that just a rumour?
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