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I'm going to stick my neck out here and say I don't think a company as big or international as Adecco would take the risk of writing such a sentence in any correspondence.

I could understand one of their recruitment monkeys muttering it under their breath at you but it would be corporate suicide to write something like that in an email to a potential client.
I am Swiss, and, sure enough, I am ugly both on the inside and outside, and I am a pervert to boot. But I know two or three Swiss who aren't. Conclusion: Niels is a liar. So why should we believe him in the Adecco thing?

Besides that, I do not believe that even their recruitment guys would ever risk their job by (m)uttering such nonsense.

A word comes to my mind. I won't use it here. Just a hint: It starts with a "t" and ends with "roll."
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Old 03.10.2011, 13:23
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I speak fluently German so language is not the problem.
After analyzing this country and its people I say what occurred to me in the last 8 months. I am in the situation that I do not need to stay, so I will leave for sure. January 30 I am out of here, I am no masochist ;-)
Its a pity though, the country has an efficient system, the way its run by the government is amazing good. Probably the only place in the world where the government is better than the inhabitants.
Being a total prick and racist doesn't really help to cope with people all around the world. Your posts tell us more about you then about the Swiss.
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Re: Are the rumours about swiss people true

If you tell me where I can forward the letter from Adecco to I will send it right away. I am no prick, actually I was really nice for the last 8 months and I realize this place is not for me. I can not digest the mentality of the Swiss anymore. Nasty, false. And trust me, I have not even mentioned 10% of what they did to me in the last 8 months (police checks, working without getting paid, having to hear all the time that they do me a "favor") We the Dutch are not perfect either, but compared to the treatment here I will never complain anymore about Holland for sure. But whatever, I am nog going to have discussions, someone asked here about the rumors and I give my view on that. BTW I spoke with many other immigrants and they say the same, they are not in the position financially to go away and sit and suffer in silence.
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If you tell me where I can forward the letter from Adecco to I will send it right away. I am no prick, actually I was really nice for the last 8 months and I realize this place is not for me. I can not digest the mentality of the Swiss anymore. Nasty, false. And trust me, I have not even mentioned 10% of what they did to me in the last 8 months (police checks, working without getting paid, having to hear all the time that they do me a "favor") We the Dutch are not perfect either, but compared to the treatment here I will never complain anymore about Holland for sure. But whatever, I am nog going to have discussions, someone asked here about the rumors and I give my view on that. BTW I spoke with many other immigrants and they say the same, they are not in the position financially to go away and sit and suffer in silence.
Send the offending letter to the management of Adecco (Glattbrugg) with a cc to your local Gemeinde? A lawyer? The police? The NZZ? Your parents?

If Adecco states in writing that it is not their policy to help foreigners that's pretty heavy stuff. They are either incredibly stupid or you have misunderstood the phrase?

Also, for the record and for balance, I haven't yet met a nasty or false Swiss person. There are a few other nationalities for whom I have found a representative person of this description but, so far, no Swiss.

Maybe tomorrow will be different but I ain't so ignorant I am going to judge a nation on that.
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Its not just that, its 8 months of horrific treatment that I dislike. I have been more than polite but they do everything to make you mad at them and even tell you that they did you a favor..
So I won't think of 1 example either to judge a nation. I actually suggested this Swiss guy here on the forum to send that letter to him as proof since he thinks I am lying (I know of many others that got that kind of letters) I can read perfectly English and German and in my country you can sue someone for that.
Anyway, I am not going to waste my time to fight a system, you can be right, but it brings you no where. Send a complaint to their Headquarters and then what? Will they help me looking for a job then? I am not that naive. And the Swiss have no self reflection so they simply will answer that it works like this here and they are still convinced they are great people.
I lived in 6 countries and I know how to adjust and deal with a system, I am only shocked about this place, its even worse than others warned me it would be.
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Old 03.10.2011, 16:20
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Its not just that, its 8 months of horrific treatment that I dislike. I have been more than polite but they do everything to make you mad at them and even tell you that they did you a favor..
So I won't think of 1 example either to judge a nation. I actually suggested this Swiss guy here on the forum to send that letter to him as proof since he thinks I am lying (I know of many others that got that kind of letters) I can read perfectly English and German and in my country you can sue someone for that.
Anyway, I am not going to waste my time to fight a system, you can be right, but it brings you no where. Send a complaint to their Headquarters and then what? Will they help me looking for a job then? I am not that naive. And the Swiss have no self reflection so they simply will answer that it works like this here and they are still convinced they are great people.
I lived in 6 countries and I know how to adjust and deal with a system, I am only shocked about this place, its even worse than others warned me it would be.
I find it odd because I have used Adecco to recruit 5 people in my time in Switzerland. One was Swiss, 2 were German, one Irish and one Canadian. The Irish and Canadian only spoke basic German but at no point did they feel that Adecco did them any disservice or were disrespectful to them as foreigners.

I can ask the contact I have used at Adecco if their written policy is to not help foreigners and report back to you, if it helps. Which branch of Adecco are you referring to?

Why don't you send the letter to the "Swiss guy on the forum" - maybe he can help you further?
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I can read perfectly English and German and in my country you can sue someone for that.
You can sue someone in your country for reading perfectly English and German? Happy they never checked when I was in your country.

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Re: Are the rumours about swiss people true

In Holland you do not sue people for speaking English haha anyways, it was the branch in Zurich and this lady:


btw they first let you bring your CV, let you wait for weeks and weeks and eventually they write you that they have that policy of not helping people from abroad. I don't really care, they can do whatever they want to do, but I only refer to this because its good for immigrants to know what you will face here. To write that women will not change the system of this country and as I said, I have had heard similar stories from several others so I guess it works like that in Swiss. Manpower would not even speak to me, they simply send you out the front door. I guess its a combination of lazyness and ignorance

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Its not just that, its 8 months of horrific treatment that I dislike. I have been more than polite but they do everything to make you mad at them and even tell you that they did you a favor..
So I won't think of 1 example either to judge a nation. I actually suggested this Swiss guy here on the forum to send that letter to him as proof since he thinks I am lying (I know of many others that got that kind of letters) I can read perfectly English and German and in my country you can sue someone for that.
Anyway, I am not going to waste my time to fight a system, you can be right, but it brings you no where. Send a complaint to their Headquarters and then what? Will they help me looking for a job then? I am not that naive. And the Swiss have no self reflection so they simply will answer that it works like this here and they are still convinced they are great people.
I lived in 6 countries and I know how to adjust and deal with a system, I am only shocked about this place, its even worse than others warned me it would be.
I just phoned Adecco up and asked them. They DO also arrange jobs for foreigners. The condition simply is that the person must have his/her domicile in Switzerland. I never heard about a ban of them against foreigners. They are active in fields like the construction business where an overwhelming majority of people are foreigners. This very simply means that you in your fury misunderstood something.

And right now had Mrs Mikes on the phone. Again, no ban against foreigners, but there can be problems if a foreigner in question never worked in Switzerland before.
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Re: Are the rumours about swiss people true

I have a bewilligung, domicile here, speak fluently German and several other languages and this is the email they wrote me:

"In addition we have the internal policy that we cannot accommodate foreigners. Please apologize these inconveniences, they have nothing to do with your very interesting curriculum.

According to our data privacy regulations we will delete your files out of security reasons, so that no third parties can have acces to your documents.

We regret not being able to answer you in a positive way and wish you much success for the future"

Yours sincerely,
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But as I said, there is no point to complain, they won't help, they might apologize and then you go on the black list for being nasty.. and I am not the first one to get letters like this. I heard from several people similar stories. So I guess thats the way it does work here. Funny though that people here consider me a prick, I only inform on a public forum what I experience and it makes me sad and annoyed how things go around here. You get lousy treatment, mention it and then you are a prick ;-) That is exactly why I start to really dislike this place.
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btw they first let you bring your CV, let you wait for weeks and weeks and eventually they write you that they have that policy of not helping people from abroad. I don't really care, they can do whatever they want to do, but I only refer to this because its good for immigrants to know what you will face here. To write that women will not change the system of this country and as I said, I have had heard similar stories from several others so I guess it works like that in Swiss. Manpower would not even speak to me, they simply send you out the front door. I guess its a combination of lazyness and ignorance
I see, the problem here seems to be YOU. You are clearly not as clever as you think you are.

Not helping people from abroad is not the same as not helping "foreigners". My friend is Swiss and recruiters won't consider him either because he is living abroad.

Are we getting an extraordinary number of new members whining because they can't find jobs? Whaaaa, they won't help me get a job. Whaaaa.


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But as I said, there is no point to complain, they won't help, they might apologize and then you go on the black list for being nasty.. and I am not the first one to get letters like this. I heard from several people similar stories. So I guess thats the way it does work here. Funny though that people here consider me a prick, I only inform on a public forum what I experience and it makes me sad and annoyed how things go around here. You get lousy treatment, mention it and then you are a prick ;-) That is exactly why I start to really dislike this place.

Oh, and btw, it's not the fact that you mention you get "lousy treatment" that people think you are a prick. It's because you are a racist xenophobic hypocrite that people think you are a loser with a tiny prick.
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Funny though that people here consider me a prick, I only inform on a public forum what I experience and it makes me sad and annoyed how things go around here. You get lousy treatment, mention it and then you are a prick ;-) That is exactly why I start to really dislike this place.
Ach so, I didn't call you a prick because of the stories. It's the way you wrapped it in some racist banter against Asian and East European people which is really annoying. Many members on here are married to a Swiss partner! You described both sides in a really harsh way (the swiss in general and people being in a relationship with a swiss as uneducated and so on).

If you are the same in "private life" you won't last long anywhere and people would just call you what I did, a total prick and racist.

Capish?

By the way: Posting full adress and contact information about third parties on a public forum is an absolut nogo.
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Re: Are the rumours about swiss people true

OK... I might be going out on a limb here... but considering the sentence starts with "in addition" and the possibility that this sentence might not have been written by a native English speaker, this could also mean that they are not willing to provide housing for you.

Maybe you should stop crying wolf and start showing some effort.

Your description of the Swiss doesn't match a single one of my VERY Swiss friends and family. We Swiss folks might be a little cold and distant in the beginning, but when you show us some respect (you don't even have to be like us, you just have to respect our way) we eventually thaw quite a bit. Just don't expect every one to be waiting for you, just because it feels like this in other cultures.

If I met a pessimistic xenophobic guy like you... you bet I will give you crap and take as much money off you as possible... this has nothing to do with me being Swiss...

By the way... At a family gathering last year, my Dutch aunt met my boyfriend for the first time. One of the first things she asked him was whether he regularly shaves his balls or not... You Dutch people are ALL such freaking perverts!!!!!

I'm with Nigel Powers on this: "There's only two things I hate in this world. People who are intolerant of other people's cultures and the Dutch."

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Funny though that people here consider me a prick
You seem to percieve that is how you are seen. Certainly it's the impression you give...
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Whatever... if you can not read what they write its not my problem... and as I said before I LIVE here WITH a residence permit and am from an EU / Schengen country... If what Adecco wrote me is normal behavior here, indeed I better go away. I spoke to a good (Swiss) friend of mine who is a lawyer and he was appalled by what they wrote. At least in most other countries they do not write such things so I am more than happy to leave this place far behind me..
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To Manny Calavera: Indeed to show respect will give you respect back. Exactly what I miss in this country very much. I am the last one to say the Dutch are perfect, not at all, but at least we do not deny our downside. Its okay, be happy on your hills and think you are great. Just do not force others to believe it as well..
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You may consider leaving anyway as I'm pretty sure Adecco, now aware of what you wrote, will not be impressed with you making accusations of racism and incompetence on a public forum. This will not help in your job-seeking endeavours. By the way, if you are so smart and versed in the ways of the world, why not just look for jobs all by yourself?
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Well I mention what they wrote, if they do not like to read their own messages that is not my problem. Indeed I am leaving, I have had enough But the forum was not about me do not liking their way of treating me, it was about is it true what they say about the Swiss and I replied to that. I realize there are many Swiss on this forum, and maybe I am the one that gives you the eye opener. Enjoy life, I am off! Have other things to do. Oh, and, you really think I would go back to Adecco to pray for a job after that message??!
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I can only say that what to one is a respectful behavior, to another it is not. You keep saying how nice you have been behaving, but no one will mistreat someone who is respectful and nice and accommodating. From reading all your posts it seems you have yet to learn what being respectful means. Swiss have their problems and require a high level of composure when dealing with them, especially in iffy situations that frustrate one. I have been in situations where I felt hopping mad, but I had to hold it all back and be polite and do the best I could, nicely. The power of nice will do so much more for you then ranting, pointing the finger, and complaining. I hope you find what you are looking for in your next country, if not then maybe you should try looking within yourself.
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