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Old 11.01.2007, 00:16
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Are the rumours about swiss people true

Hello everyone
Im currently considering accepting a contract for spending a while longer working in Switzerland. So far Im really unsure.

Ive been here for 2 months now and am starting to get used to the looks when you are talking on the phone in english and how people seem to think they dont have to move or hold a door open for anyone but themselves.

My company has found a nice apartement for me to stay in in Staefa which is all good so far.

I'm just here to get some stories on what other english people think and cope with the swiss way of life. Permanent or contract workers.

I have also heard some shocking rumours about the depressing gloomy way swiss people live their lives. Some rumours ive heard are mostly about the Swiss being the world’s most miserable creatures. Baffled and affronted by anyone who tries to make a joke, they fanatically disapprove of any humour that rises above the level of a clown being hit with a stick, though if you spill soup down your shirt they will laugh. Incapable of joy, they devote their dismal lives to banking and endless nagging about irrevelant things such as how you tie your rubish bag, when shops should close and nailing their "gestattet" signs on every street corner and will of course stick their nose in and instruct you what you can and cant do everywhere and of course advise you on how to live your life. Not forgetting the bent police that would be able to find somthing wrong with a taxed, serviced and unmodified shopping trolley banning any modification to cars even fitting 21" alloys on a car that has 19" as standard is highly illegal.

From time to time you will get fined for speeding 2km/h over their limit: this provides the only sour amusement a Swiss ever experiences. Im hoping some of this isnt true as Swiss people seem quite positive at the moment.

Some can be rathr strange even arogant, no more than your average east Londoner lol (no offence 2 any arogant swiss people) Do other people think the swiss way of life can somtimes get you down.

I hope i havent offended anyone with my comments about the swiss sense of humour or anything else ive mentioned. Im not on here to complain and be miserable lol. Hoping some people could give us some tips for avoiding dirty looks when speaking english ect.

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Re: Are the rumours about swiss people true

*bites tongue really hard*
All I shall say is that I'm glad we don't further encourage the kind of idiot car that requires 21" tyres. And if that is a true problem, I'd really like your life.
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Re: Are the rumours about swiss people true

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All I shall say is that I'm glad we don't further encourage the kind of idiot car that requires 21" tyres. And if that is a true problem, I'd really like your life.
Kittster, you've focussed on the number rather than the true meaning of the comment. Mr Stäfa is not claiming to have been harrassed for having 21-zoll rims (). Even my car only has 18" (he says, looking round to see who has something B_I_G_G_E_R).

Think about the overall subtle message
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Re: Are the rumours about swiss people true

Thanx for that, was just thinking whether i should mention that or just leave it. As the original plan was only 2 months I brought my English car out (english plates). Mainly because i couldent get all my xbox, laptop, clothes, dvds ect as flight luggage and it pisses the police off when they have to trace my UK registered address to send me my speeding fine. and NO I DONT HAVE 21" alloys or any glued on fibreglass to make me look "cool". All standard stock parts. And i wasent complaining, to anyone who misunderstood me, i was asking whether anyone agreed with the rumours and what they think of swiss life... ecspecially contract workers.

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Re: Are the rumours about swiss people true

Yeah sure some of those rumors are true, but for every swiss that you find to fit that description I could show you an exact opposite. Its like saying blonds are dumb, but then for each one you could find an intelligent one.

And who are these sour grapes contractors you have been talking too? They should just like Evolver said, ignore the miserable lot. Thats what I do, regardless of the country I am in. Surround yourself with only the cool and sexy pple LOL and then life here will be a blast.
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Re: Are the rumours about swiss people true

Why do you even care about them being miserable...has the "being a miserable swiss moaning minnie virus" already jumped over to you?

Seriously...just let them be miserable, that leaves more fun for you. And don't worry, not all of them are that way, you are just watching too much "Arena" on SF1.
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Re: Are the rumours about swiss people true

Some are cool, others are chumps.

A worldwide phenomenon.
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Re: Are the rumours about swiss people true

I like the swiss
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Re: Are the rumours about swiss people true

a) don't speed - inappropriate speed is not good. Besides, there is no points system here, only bans for those who take the p.ss
b) you're becoming the Swiss you've been primed to hate

frankly, if you see complaints here.....consider that there are 20 good things to ONE complaint - that's the way of the world.
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Re: Are the rumours about swiss people true

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All I shall say is that I'm glad we don't further encourage the kind of idiot car that requires 21" tyres. And if that is a true problem, I'd really like your life.
LOL do you have your own list of cars that you want people to drive? I like big cars myself. I guess if someone has a nicer car than yours, they are not necessarily stupid but they are more probably more richer than you.
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Re: Are the rumours about swiss people true

where are all the people on their moral/humanist/PC high horses when you need them ?

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This thread has has been very interesting. I had an experience yesterday that first brought me to the point of angry tears while at the train station yesterday in Biel. And for some reason from there my thought process started to change.

While entering the train there was exactly one person getting into the train (me) and one person getting out at a particular door. As I moved to the side to let the woman out, she did not take advantage of the abundant space all around but instead chose to walk directly into me while pushing me quite a distance. This is behavior I often witness in Switzerland, and the Swiss are notorious among expats for their inability to form a proper queue and for rudely bumping into people on the street. There is more than one story of an anglo-saxon expat going home crying after an afternoon walking around in downtown Switzerland. I’ve experienced other things which make me all tight and tense. For example, sitting in an almost empty dining car it has happened that someone will choose to sit at my table instead of simply taking their own table. Since I am not a social butterfly and find talking tiresome and boring, I am generally not pleased. North Americans and Europeans tend to have very different ideas concerning personal space anyway.

Or do they?

As I sat in the train, boiling and upset at the rudeness of a woman I will never see again I thought: Maybe it is me.

Maybe it is my fault she ran into me.

Outwardly there was nothing visible which could lead anyone to believe I provoked an attack. Had I been pushed under the train and badly injured, there would have been no question to someone watching a tape that I was standing neatly and politely to the side and was victim of a good ramming. However, I have come to realize that we vibrate and send out signals. So, I considered what I might have been radiating and it brought me to the topic of

Personal Space and Boundaries

Personally speaking, I often get the feeling people violate my personal space. That means they act in such a way that leaves me feeling violated, upset and sometimes aggressive. It comes in various ways like today at the train station, in the form of unwanted and inappropriate “suggestions” and “feedback” from teachers or colleagues, or in the form of slimy sexual advances by freaks on the street. I’ve learned to deal with things in my own way, of course.

In a dining car I will just stand up and go to another table. In rehearsal I’ve simply started telling people the truth when I don’t want to hear what they have to say. If they cannot stop, I’ve developed the courage to simply walk away mid-sentence when I pick up on ugly vibrations. With teachers or other ”judges” I sometimes sing badly on purpose so they will not have access to parts of me I do not wish to show. On the street I’ve learned to simply mind my own business and avoid eye contact. I’ve become good at sending the “stay away” signal.

And yet, with all my coping mechanisms there is something important that my years of psychotherapy have taught me.

I’ve learned that if something happens to you in your life, you’ve attracted it and you are responsible for it. Obviously I attract a lot of more or less subtle violations into my daily life and therefore must be sending the signal that it is okay to violate me. One of my signals is silently screaming “Over here! Over here! Come get too close! I want to be violated and obviously you want to do some violating!”.

If you don't experience this, I am guessing you were raised with healthy self-confidence by people who loved you just the way you were and respected your boundaries.

Obviously I am not at that point yet, and I am willing to bet most people in our hemisphere are not. In Switzerland the violations may be more obvious, whereas in the States they were always done with a smile.

It occured to me though, that if it is possible to send out the signal “Violate me please” (aka ram into me, stare at me weirdly, sit too close, or be rude to my face) it is possible to learn to send other signals like “This is a woman who deserves respect” or “There are certain boundaries which are not to be crossed here” or something like that.

Anyway, that is where I am at at the moment. I just realized complaining about things is not going to help the situation. You've got to change.

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Re: Are the rumours about swiss people true

I don't really know what to say about the last post but perhaps you might be a bit sensitive. I think violate is a very strong word and if so many people "violate" you on a day to day basis, I'm guessing the problem kinda might maybe it is you. I have a few harsh words of advice. Get over it. No one is doing anything to you in particular on purpose. The difference between you and other people is that perhaps when these types of things happen, other people don't feel "violated." They get on with their day without taking it to heart.

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Re: Are the rumours about swiss people true

It's mostly all true, especially in the Swiss German region.

But it does not make it bad. Otherwise who'd stay?

For what it's worth, the Brits are an insular race too. We just don't notice....
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Ive been here for 2 months now and am starting to get used to the looks when you are talking on the phone in english and how people seem to think they dont have to move or hold a door open for anyone but themselves.

I have also heard some shocking rumours about the depressing gloomy way swiss people live their lives. Some rumours ive heard are mostly about the Swiss being the world’s most miserable creatures. Baffled and affronted by anyone who tries to make a joke, they fanatically disapprove of any humour that rises above the level of a clown being hit with a stick, though if you spill soup down your shirt they will laugh. Incapable of joy, they devote their dismal lives to banking and endless nagging about irrevelant things such as how you tie your rubish bag, when shops should close and nailing their "gestattet" signs on every street corner and will of course stick their nose in and instruct you what you can and cant do everywhere and of course advise you on how to live your life. Not forgetting the bent police that would be able to find somthing wrong with a taxed, serviced and unmodified shopping trolley banning any modification to cars even fitting 21" alloys on a car that has 19" as standard is highly illegal.
I don't really understand the stereotypes expressed here against the Swiss. They seem very receptive to humor, there are not too uptight (could this be because I am uptight as well?), most (not all) of their laws are there for a reason (when I can drive I'll hate not being able to pass on the right), the Swiss most certainly do not dedicate their lives to banking, "gestattet" signs exist in the US and I would venture in the UK (i.e. only deliveries allowed / no through traffic), and I have never received looks when speaking English. Actually, to be honest, I have started to give people looks when *they* speak English out of a longing to speak with them or to observe Swiss youths attempt it! ("I call you later" -- Swiss German mistake... as there is no future tense in Swiss German.)

Yes, I have complaints (why dress like American rapsters/gangsters? or why can't I buy decent Mac & Cheese here?), but I hope that they are not normal stereotypes.

p.s. Going with your description of the Swiss, they must love Monty Python! The best British humor has to offer (I love it, so this is not an insult)...
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Re: Are the rumours about swiss people true

Honestly, I have't noticed anyone giving me dirty looks when I speak English. But people here do tend to stare more than we're used to/comfortable with in Anglo-American society. When I discover someone staring at me, I stare right back at them and that usually puts an end to it. Also, I wear sunglasses a lot.

I would just ignore and not take it personally.

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I hope i havent offended anyone with my comments about the swiss sense of humour or anything else ive mentioned. Im not on here to complain and be miserable lol. Hoping some people could give us some tips for avoiding dirty looks when speaking english ect.
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Honestly, I have't noticed anyone giving me dirty looks when I speak English. But people here do tend to stare more than we're used to/comfortable with in Anglo-American society. When I discover someone staring at me, I stare right back at them and that usually puts an end to it.
Most people are curious when they hear English spoken, rather than annoyed. Or at least in my experience.

As for the staring, it can get far too much for my level of comfort. When I discover someone staring at me, I stare back. Only they keep staring. I'm starting to taking to waving at them, like "hi! I must know you, you keep staring at me! ". Even then, most are not embarassed enough to stop the damned staring.
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haha .. maybe the person was retarded or something.
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haha .. maybe the person was retarded or something.
Which one? This is defnitely not an isolated incident!

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Which one? This is defnitely not an isolated incident!
Do they just stare at women? We come from the same general region in the US. I've never noticed a difference here in how people look at me.
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