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Thanks notadesperatehousewife and baz13. I've certainly been warning people about drop bears for at least 25-30 years that I can remember... but I wonder where it all started? Is it from Paul Hogan or something? Chuck another drop bear on the barbie?

I guess that's why I prefer to live here, no deadly animals ... As a kid we had red backs and brown snakes all the time. Too many climate related natural disasters .... Fires then floods, lightning ... Scary place. Although there's a pretty heavy avalanche risk here now. Worst in 30 years due to big freeze now instant warming.

Life expectancy greater in CH: except for skin cancer. CH is second highest in world after NZ for that. Swiss don't cover their faces in zinc cream (like bogans?) when they ski :-)
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That's right Bobster there all the same the Australians and all the towns cities. How ridiculous!
Actually he's right. The culture and people doesn't vary that much between states. Compare this to Switzerland, and i'm sure you'll agree that there isn't much variance here?

The people are much the same everywhere, you'll find beer drinking, football obsessed loud bogans whether you're in QLD or VIC. The only difference being they go for a different type of game, and drink a different beer.

I do find it sad that the main topic of conversation here is football, and whether or not your team won, or "how about that game on the weekend?" etc. Surely there is more to life than this?
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It sounds like its more than just a "stage" to me. It is evident from your posts that you are not happy in Switzerland, so why stay there? Instead of just whinging about it, why not change it? I'm not happy in Australia, so instead of just complaining about it i'm actually going to do something about it - moving to Switzerland.

It really astounds me at the number of people that just whinge about Switzerland in here, yet they still stay there? Perhaps YOU are the one who is a "whinger"? Especially if you won't do anything to change.



Compared to Europeans, definitely. I have friends who have never left the country their entire lives. I know one person who is in their 40's who has never left Australia.



Actually no, Switzerland is your current country... you now live in Switzerland yes? You chose this, yet you continue to mention about how great Australia is. Again, why not move back if its so much better? Perhaps you are the one who needs to get off your lazy arse and do something about it? If you do move back, please hand in your swiss passport on your way out, as I don't want bogans in my future country.



The joke is on you buddy. How many people live in the center of Australia in the desert? The majority of Australia is unlivable. For the third time, I was talking about the cities, where most of our population live. Most people cannot live in the country as the only type of employment is farming. Do you not understand this?
he he he yeah well listen here MATE !!!

This bogan has in the four years I've been here, learnt German, currently at the end of level C1 Alemania Deutsch Schule, self taught Swiss German (speak Züri dialect quite fluently), now studying construction management at a Kader school, IBZ (in German) Not bad for an 'uneducated bogan' Like to see your smart ass do the same...

And once again I'll recap what I previously stated as it seems you have trouble taking stuff in...

I AM happy here in Zurich, beautiful wife, nice apartment, good job, great holidays, only a few but good friends nonetheless. All is fine and dandy thank you very much. So what's not broken need not be fixed. Great thing is though , we can move back (which we intend to do in a few years) and enjoy life back home also...


You my dear friend only have intentions to change your horrible existence there in Oz. Put your money where your mouth is and come over here. Get a job (tough) learn the language (also tough) go on matey, you got the Passport unlike myself, should be a piece of cake.....

I honestly wish you the best of luck. It's a pitty this thread got a tad nasty. I surely am partly to blame but it just makes me cringe to hear an Aussie hang shit on his own country. It really is a great place, great economy, sense of community, wildlife, lifestyle, climate etc etc. Anyways I wont go on. I just hope that I hear of you getting over here to the land of cheese, chocolate and mountains and make a go of it.

People don't judge you on what you intend to do. They judge you on what you have done. My mentor taught me that whilst doing my first apprenticeship many years ago. Has stuck with me ever since.......
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ITSJ,

In your list of "Cons" you "attacked" a country and its culture, people and way of living. Put yourself in the *other" shoe and think for a second..

Nobody on this thread insulted Swiss Culture or People the way you did to Australians (in your Pro and Cons list post). Yes, people are unhappy about "a" situation but I am very sure that whoever lives here do actually "like" to live here.

My dear friend, always look for the bright side and you shall find it.

A foreign land can be difficult sometimes and it is only logical to compare and make the right choice.
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he he he yeah well listen here MATE !!!
haha, only in Australia do they use "mate" in both a negative and positive context. Another one of my other favorites are "yeah, nah". Foreigners must find our bogan slang so confusing. Most of it doesn't even make sense.

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Most certainly. I have already started to teach myself German and I probably won't be moving there for at least a year. Once I have mastered German I also want to learn French. I love to learn.

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I AM happy here in Zurich, beautiful wife, nice apartment, good job, great holidays, only a few but good friends nonetheless. All is fine and dandy thank you very much. So what's not broken need not be fixed. Great thing is though , we can move back (which we intend to do in a few years) and enjoy life back home also...
Really? to me it sounds like you're just fooling yourself. I don't think I've heard you say one positive thing about Switzerland... all of it has been about how much you love Australia. I admit there are some positive things about Australia, but personally I think the negatives outweigh the positives. The thing that bothers me most here is the people... it is very hard to find someone you can have an intelligent conversation with beyond the topics of football or how trashed they got last weekend.

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You my dear friend only have intentions to change your horrible existence there in Oz. Put your money where your mouth is and come over here. Get a job (tough) learn the language (also tough) go on matey, you got the Passport unlike myself, should be a piece of cake.....
Obviously it will be difficult for some time, but once I've settled in I can see myself enjoying Switzerland a lot more. Quieter people, fewer drunks, beautiful alpine scenery, colder climate, and people I can actually have a conversation with that doesn't involve football. The closest I have been to alpine scenery in Australia was at Mount Buller (Victoria). I have never felt so alive in my life... there is just something about the snow, mountains, and being up high. I cannot wait to live closer to this in Switzerland. Give me mountains and snow over beaches any day.

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I honestly wish you the best of luck. It's a pitty this thread got a tad nasty. I surely am partly to blame but it just makes me cringe to hear an Aussie hang shit on his own country. It really is a great place, great economy, sense of community, wildlife, lifestyle, climate etc etc. Anyways I wont go on. I just hope that I hear of you getting over here to the land of cheese, chocolate and mountains and make a go of it.
Only partly to blame? All I did was list the pro's/con's of each country and you attacked it, because someone said some negative things about your home country. You couldn't respect someone else's opinion.
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The people are much the same everywhere, you'll find beer drinking, football obsessed loud bogans whether you're in QLD or VIC. The only difference being they go for a different type of game, and drink a different beer.
ISTJ we do have some beer drinking bogans here in CH too: football (soccer) hooligans, can be rough on the train after a ZH -Basel game. People letting off flares at matches - - - at fellow fans. Not really a good sport for a family to attend. Huge numbers of arrests after many games, clashes with police. Certain fans of certain CH teams being banned from matches in other countries. Swiss can be yobbos too. But you must know that, I'm sure you're following Swiss news (main topic is money, followed by banks, regulation, crisis, flight paths, ski races won by Didier Cuche, FCB, HCD, Rogers comeback, Christoph Blocher, bad Auslanders,weekly fatal car crashes caused by alcohol or drugs, avalanches, pedophiles on Internet, why people are leaving the church,whether early English is good or not, what to do with the military.

Football yobbos are international, and sport features in news internationally...in my view.

But if you prefer mountains to beaches then this is your place, because Brisbane has the worlds best beaches and Switzerland the worlds best mountains!

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Nobody on this thread insulted Swiss Culture or People the way you did to Australians (in your Pro and Cons list post). Yes, people are unhappy about "a" situation but I am very sure that whoever lives here do actually "like" to live here.
Nope, they have a whole other section dedicated to that, called the "complaints thread". Have a read through there and see how many threads you find insulting swiss people. Most of them are insulted for reasons I would respect them for... ie being quiet and reserved.
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ISTJ we do have some beer drinking bogans here in CH too: football (soccer) hooligans, can be rough on the train after a ZH -Basel game. People letting off flares at matches - - - at fellow fans. Not really a good sport for a family to attend. Huge numbers of arrests after many games, clashes with police.

Football yobbos are international.
From what people tell me, its much, much less than Australia - its a minority group. In Australia its the majority.

Huge numbers of arrests? If you want to see huge numbers of arrests, go into the nightclub district on a Friday/Saturday night in Australia. Violence and glassing happens all the time. I have a mate who was once there minding his own business, and he must have just looked at some drunks the wrong way. They ended up knocking him to the ground and punching him several times in the face. Alcohol related violence is a HUGE problem in Australia.
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This thread is wandering off a bit so I've PM'ed you as someone who has recently lived in both Oz and Australia...and left both
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Really? to me it sounds like you're just fooling yourself. I don't think I've heard you say one positive thing about Switzerland...

Go back to the tread you started when you joined the forum and you will see that I encouraged you to make the move whilst stating many of the things I like about CH...

So 3 days ago you wrote that you are GOING To start learning German. Now you've ALREADY started learning German. Once you've mastered German you'll just move on to French ay.... Ambitious, I like that.....
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This thread is wandering off a bit so I've PM'ed you as someone who has recently lived in both Oz and Australia...and left both
I'm guessing you meant CH and Australia or are you referring to CH being like the land of OZ ???

But seriously I would also be interrested in your thoughts as might the others.

For the record I have never hung shit on CH. I only cleared up some facts for this guy as I feel he has based all his impressions of CH from the movie Heidi and a toblerone wrapper.....
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I think you should read some facts about criminality in Switzerland...written by a Swiss newspaper. Perhaps you will believe them more than the people living here.

By now you should be able to read German, right?

http://www.nzz.ch/nachrichten/politi....12233796.html
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Re: Australia vs Switzerland

I'd say go to Oz just because he can!! If he hates it, go back. But he's never been anywhere, not even outside CH?

I love Europe, lived in the UK and also in CH in 2010-2011 although not for long enough. Aiming to get back. But I am not a young male with a girlfriend and an unknown future.

However, if he can afford the fare, go! Nothing to lose. Great adventure, wonderful outdoor life, sun and snow if he misses it, snakes and spiders aside. Start off in winter or spring, when they haven't quite shown their ugly little faces yet!

And at least you are talking Melbourne or Sydney, not boring Perth where I am. Melbourne on Wed....yaaay!

Do it! And enjoy!
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The closest I have been to alpine scenery in Australia was at Mount Buller (Victoria). I have never felt so alive in my life... there is just something about the snow, mountains, and being up high. I cannot wait to live closer to this in Switzerland. Give me mountains and snow over beaches any day.
Are you telling us you've never actually left Australia?????? I thought you're the well traveled connoisseur who enjoys having inspiring conversations about the fine arts and international politics with his select group of upper-class friends he met during his Oxbridge education or adventurous journeys around the globe.

And now you're telling us the closest you've actually ever been to a mountain was Mount Buller? I'm disappointed.

Look, my introvert friend - it seems you hate it in Australia, but obviously you're still there - so you've been stuck in a place you hate for 30 (?) odd years. I doubt you're the one to blame others for not moving on if there's something they dislike about Switzerland. Talk is cheap, only actions count - so get your act together and come over here. You'll find out what it's like.
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Go back to the tread you started when you joined the forum and you will see that I encouraged you to make the move whilst stating many of the things I like about CH...

So 3 days ago you wrote that you are GOING To start learning German. Now you've ALREADY started learning German. Once you've mastered German you'll just move on to French ay.... Ambitious, I like that.....
That's right, I have started leaning German a few days later because as you said I am ambitious. Instead of whining about things like you and doing nothing about it, I actually make a plan and follow through with it.

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Are you telling us you've never actually left Australia?????? I thought you're the well traveled connoisseur who enjoys having inspiring conversations about the fine arts and international politics with his select group of upper-class friends he met during his Oxbridge education or adventurous journeys around the globe.

And now you're telling us the closest you've actually ever been to a mountain was Mount Buller? I'm disappointed.
Perhaps you cannot read? I said the closest place to alps in AUSTRALIA. I have also seen many alps in New Zealand. But you should already know this because apparently you know me and my entire life?

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Look, my introvert friend - it seems you hate it in Australia, but obviously you're still there - so you've been stuck in a place you hate for 30 (?) odd years. I doubt you're the one to blame others for not moving on if there's something they dislike about Switzerland. Talk is cheap, only actions count - so get your act together and come over here. You'll find out what it's like.
As I have mentioned before, Australia used to be a better place until recently. It has started going downhill quickly in the past decade. So yes I am taking action.

Keep the assumptions coming, they are quite amusing.

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That's right, I have started leaning German a few days later because as you said I am ambitious. Instead of whining about things like you and doing nothing about it, I actually make a plan and follow through with it.


We'll see. The proof is all in the pudding. Why not come sooner ? Why wait 12 months ? Didn't take me so long to get my ass into gear. Though the love of a good woman is a great reason to head abroad...

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We'll see. The proof is all in the pudding. Why not come sooner ? Why wait 12 months ? Didn't take me so long to get my ass into gear. Though the love of a good woman is a great reason to head abroad...

Ich wünsche dir viel Glück beim Deutsch lernen. Du wirst das brauchen....
Because as you would know, Switzerland is very expensive. Therefore I need to save up as much as possible before I move over. There are many initial expenses, and costs involved with moving to another country. This will also give me some time to visit the country first to see if I really like it or not.
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Australians are really not much different in Perth than they are in Melbourne, Sydney etc. I fail to see what geographical features have to do with invalidating the above opinion.
Want to back that up with some examples there Mr Bob. You must of lived a decent time in Oz then I'm guessing ???

Actually Queenslanders and Western Australians are similar in attitudes and mannerisms.

Sydneysiders are quite different all together, kind of like the Zürich of Australia.

Melbournites I have found have a deeper cultural influence. Kind of the 'Little Europe' of Australia.

Darwin is a lot like FNQ, quite rugged except Darwin is a very new city and boy do they like to party !!!

Canberra I found was a tad on the boring side but I haven't spent much time there at all.

Finally South Australia seems to be where they hide all the whinging poms. The weather suits them and keeps them isolated from the rest of us.....

Then you have Nth Coast NSW where a lot of hippie communities are. Sth Coast WA where it's all about eating good fresh produce and respecting the land. Then to the other extreme on the Gold Coast where all the glitz and glamour is. I find the place quite tacky but the waves are great and I still have family there....

No seriously though, you can't say that all Aussies are alike regardless if they live 3000 kms apart. We as humans are all influenced from our surroundings and that goes for country folk to city folk, from sportsman to academics...
Like people here who say Zurich people are stuck up and cold whilst people from St Gallen are all laid back. Not completely able to generalise but true to a point...

By the way, being a kind of adventurous sort, yes I have been to all the above mentioned places. Was born in Perth, grew up there then the Gold Coast. Lived in FNQ in Airlie Beach for 8 years then Brisbane before meeting the Swiss Miss and heading over to Cheeseville and doing what I love the most.... TRAVEL AND NEW EXPERIENCES !!!
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This is one of my reasons for wanting to leave australia also. I don't want to be one of those people who live in the one place all their lives, never knowing if there is something better out there.

Even if I don't like switzerland I still have the option of living in any other EU country... The beauty of having a Swiss passport. I will just move around until I find a country that suits my needs and lifestyle the best.
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