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Re: Spiders- arachnophobia!

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if there is anything bigger then say 5 cm diameter Id like to prepare myself... ie down in the cellar am I going to turn around and see some furry spider staring at me and let out a scream louder then any Swiss person has ever heard!!!!
I am sure that's against the rules!!!

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poisonous creepy crawlies in Switzerland?

... so there I was on a tram in Zurich yesterday, and felt something tickling my neck. I instinctively brushed it off, and found a little yellow spider (5 rappen size) with a vivid yellow bead-like body. I'd heard rumours about nasty yellow spiders in Austria, so I googled and found out about a Yellow Sac Spider, which is a recent import from the Americas. The one I found didn't seem to be one of them, because it was smaller and its, erm, sac wasn't the right shape. It was also quite cute, in a spiderish kind of way.

I'm pretty relaxed about spiders and as a kid I even used to pick them up, but that all changed once I lived in Australia for a bit. Spiders are useful, so I'll never squash one.

Anyway... what poisonous creepy crawlies are there in Switzerland? I know the ticks are pretty nasty, and I know there's black widow spiders, and also scorpions in parts of Ticino, and hornets and the occasional snake. Are there any useful websites with specifics on these or which list everything?

I searched this site and found one thread that appeared to be the arachnophobe's guide to killing spiders, but didn't find any specific details on bad things.

I also realise this isn't exactly Brazil or Queensland...
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Re: Spiders- arachnophobia!

Bubbles, you might find the answer above. I merged your thread into the existing one about spiders. Search key (surprisingly): spiders.
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Re: Spiders- arachnophobia!

Not quite. I was after specifics on poisonous things that can be found in Switzerland, not just spiders. This was the thread I mentioned that seemed to be just an arachnophobe's guide to killing spiders.
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Old 05.06.2007, 09:06
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Re: Spiders- arachnophobia!

Ok, well since it is a thread about spiders on Switzerland, this is a better place to ask your question, since they are very closely related to the topic.

I've changed the title slightly to clearly broaden the topic slightly. Didn't make sense to have a spider thread AND spiders and other poisonous stuff.
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Re: Spiders [and poisonous things]

If you cant find any insect repellent, the vacuum cleaner is a good option. I use this little method on huge huntsmen spiders (in Australia) that just refuse to keel over after I have sprayed a can of mortein on them. Especially love the sound when these big mothers get sucked up. You can use the vacuum extension with the small slit for extra sound effects.
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Re: Spiders [and poisonous things]

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OK, my dander is up now. I only just came across this thread and it has annoyed the feck out of me.

Spiders are the good guys people. I'll give you the crane flies as they are not spiders and their lava, leatherjackets, eat the hell out of the veggies. But someone has to speak up for the spiders and it's me.

The ghoulish stories of spider torture in this thread will probably give me nightmares so shame on you all. If you don't like spiders (and I accept that some people don't, even big strong guys who would obviously rather be girls, arachnophobids aside) the method you should use is as follows:

Take one glass (or a cup if you can't bear to look at the little darling) and a beer mat. Place vessel over spider, carefully slide the beermat under. Relocate to an outside location. Place spider somewhere safe. Go back into spider free accomodation and await fly attack.

Spider murderers, there should be a law against it - hey, we're in Switzerland, there probably is.

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Re: Spiders [and poisonous things]

Hi Bob,

I tend to agree with you 100% there. However, in Switzerland there aren't that many laws to protect animals - Germany is much better at that sort of thing. Spiders? Unfortunately nobody wants to protect them - it's kind of like the fact that we care about whales, but not fish in general.

Now onto the question of what is poisonous in Switzerland. I googled it and found this page [tierchutz.ch, German] at the first position from the animal protection site (I admit I did google in German, but it makes sense, since we live in Switzerland).

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Tiere können durch Kontakt mit den folgende Gifttieren Vergiftungen erleiden:
  • Amphibien
  • Giftschlangen
  • Bienen, Wespen, Hummeln und Hornissen
Vergiftungen durch giftige Tieren treten in der Regel sehr selten auf. Die häufigsten Vergiftungen durch giftige Tiere werden durch den Kontakt mit Bienen, Wespen, Hummeln und Hornissen hervorgerufen.
Je nach Land treten Vergiftungen durch Kontakte mit Amphibien und Giftschlangen unterschiedlich häufig auf. Da in der Schweiz beispielsweise nur wenige Amphibien und Schlangen leben, treten hier solche Vergiftungsfälle natürlich äusserst selten auf.
In other words, poisoning from animals hardly ever happens in Switzerland. Usually it is contact with bees, wasps etc. There are sometimes cases with snakes and amphibians, but since there are hardly any in Switzerland this isn't really an issue.


The page actually says that poisoning from insect repellant and other chemicals used to kill insects/animals, etc. is a bigger problem than the animals themselves
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Re: Spiders [and poisonous things]

Take one glass (or a cup if you can't bear to look at the little darling) and a beer mat. Place vessel over spider, carefully slide the beermat under. Relocate to an outside location. Place spider somewhere safe.

You forgot to mention that you then squish it with your shoe. You keep rotating your shoe quickly in a left to right motion.
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Take one glass (or a cup if you can't bear to look at the little darling) and a beer mat. Place vessel over spider, carefully slide the beermat under. Relocate to an outside location. Place spider somewhere safe.

You forgot to mention that you then squish it with your shoe. You keep rotating your shoe quickly in a left to right motion.
Those look like Bob's words there Micky??? Try the quote function - avoids confusing the life out of people trying to figure out who said what - just a small courtesy thing.

I think you are going to end up with some very bad spider karma.
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Re: Spiders [and poisonous things]

Micky,

I see you are still in Oz. I also assume that you have a dunny in your back yard. Just be extra vigilent, that's all I'm saying .
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Hi Bob,

I tend to agree with you 100% there. However, in Switzerland there aren't that many laws to protect animals - Germany is much better at that sort of thing. Spiders? Unfortunately nobody wants to protect them - it's kind of like the fact that we care about whales, but not fish in general.
There are 16 different spiders on the red list of endangered species... a couple of people would like to save them!
http://www.iucnredlist.org
You can type spider in the search engine.

Of course, none of them are in Switzerland....
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Of course, none of them are in Switzerland....
Of course not. Micky has had them all killed .
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Re: Spiders [and poisonous things]

Maybe it's cause I live in Zürich but I can count the number of spiders I've seen in my flat over the last 11 months or so on one hand. In my old home in the US I'd probably see at least 5 a week. However, there isn't anything seriously poisonous on the West coast of the US except for the black widow, and that won't kill you.

I did, however, find this article.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,206913,00.html

Title of article "Venomous Spiders Overrunning Austria"

Quote from Article "There are sightings every year, said Komposch, who blames the media for spreading misleading information and fanning the frenzy." Hmmm. . . . if that quote is from the article why then did FoxNews title the article as they did?

Another quote "Underscoring the hysteria, 190 people who feared they might have been bitten went Wendesday to the main hospital in the northwestern city of Linz. Only eight of them turned out to have possible symptoms, doctors told Austrian state broadcaster ORF."

Nice work FoxNews!

So yes, there are some venomous spiders in the area, nothing that will kill you though.

If any of you arachnophobes live in Zürich, I'm usually the spider killer in my relationships so I'd be happy to come kill them for you.
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Re: Spiders [and poisonous things]

I reckon this might be the one that I saw yesterday morning. It was a beautiful bright yellow colour.
http://www.toponline.ch/area-1.rub-37.art-61708.tce

(this article is from 2006)

It's great to feed the article into babelfish too...
"Der Spinnenbiss verursacht Schmerzen wie ein Wespenstich. Es kann zu Unwohlsein, Schüttelfrost und leichtem Fieber kommen."
becomes...
"... The spider bite causes pain like a wasp pass. It can come to indisposition, vibration frost and easy fever."
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Re: Spiders [and poisonous things]

My missus has an aversion to spiders. While I'm not too keen on actually handling them I'm always intrigued when I see one to know where it's going and what it's upto. When called into action by the missus I will usually get the spider onto a bit of kitchen towel and flick it outside rather than kill it. I will never take it upon myself to get rid of a spider that only I have seen inside the house.

What I hate with a passion inside the house, and go overdrive into the "kill kill kill" mode against is flies, wasps and especially those little silverfish things.

My two kids are not that keen on spiders and I used to get a few screams from my daughter in particular. I think their fear is not so much borne out of a direct fear they have in them as one that stems from seeing their mothers reactions when she sees one. The last couple of years their reactions have been noticeably less and less extreme which I like to think is down to the fact that as they watch me "catch" them and prepare them for a new life outside the house, they see me talking to them, thanking them for what they do and sending them on their way with a little "go kill some flies for me" message

Talking of insects, I've also noticed back in the UK that their bites seem to be getting worse and worse. My wife has always been susceptible to them while I hardly ever get affected. But even I started to get some last year while my wife had some horrendous bites, big red and swollen. And prior to the recent bank holiday I returned home to find my son had three enormous bites on his arm which were still very prominent over a week later.

Anyone notice the same happening in Switzerland or elsewhere?
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Re: Spiders [and poisonous things]

It's been said that because we had such a mild winter a lot of the insects that normally die off in the cold weather did not this year, resulting in more insects around than normal.

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My missus has an aversion to spiders. While I'm not too keen on actually handling them I'm always intrigued when I see one to know where it's going and what it's upto. When called into action by the missus I will usually get the spider onto a bit of kitchen towel and flick it outside rather than kill it. I will never take it upon myself to get rid of a spider that only I have seen inside the house.

What I hate with a passion inside the house, and go overdrive into the "kill kill kill" mode against is flies, wasps and especially those little silverfish things.

My two kids are not that keen on spiders and I used to get a few screams from my daughter in particular. I think their fear is not so much borne out of a direct fear they have in them as one that stems from seeing their mothers reactions when she sees one. The last couple of years their reactions have been noticeably less and less extreme which I like to think is down to the fact that as they watch me "catch" them and prepare them for a new life outside the house, they see me talking to them, thanking them for what they do and sending them on their way with a little "go kill some flies for me" message

Talking of insects, I've also noticed back in the UK that their bites seem to be getting worse and worse. My wife has always been susceptible to them while I hardly ever get affected. But even I started to get some last year while my wife had some horrendous bites, big red and swollen. And prior to the recent bank holiday I returned home to find my son had three enormous bites on his arm which were still very prominent over a week later.

Anyone notice the same happening in Switzerland or elsewhere?
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It's been said that because we had such a mild winter a lot of the insects that normally die off in the cold weather did not this year, resulting in more insects around than normal.
A few years ago, one of my friends (UK) found a scorpion in his kitchen, I never knew that scorpions had spread to the UK. It wasn't a dangerous one, but apparently this breed is also quite common over europe too.

I always though those nasty things only lived in hot countries.
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Re: Spiders [and poisonous things]

I don't like spiders, actually most bugs at all...total heebiejeebies....but like chemgoddess said, I don't see much of them at all here. We did however, get swarmed by red ants creeping into our bathroom/kitchen windows...hundreds of them!

actually, no....I did run into a spider...and not just a normal spider...A GYNORMOUS one in our laundry room about a month ago. I went to turn the cold water tap on and I saw it dangling under it. I think it was def. one of the biggest ones I've ever seen....cut to me, screaming and running up to our apt. to get the man to take care of it. I take extreme caution when entering that damn, damp, laundry room.
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Re: Spiders [and poisonous things]

I have noticed that the reaction I get to mozzy bites here is much worse than they ever used to be in the UK. I used to get a small itchy bite but now the area around the bite will swell and get really hot (I had one last week that bit me on my elbow and after 2 days my entire arm was swollen and red). Nasty little creatures!! I thought it was just me so it would be interesting to find out if there really is a specific reason for it.
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