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Switzerland compared to Australia

i see many people from Australia on these forums, personally i have a choice of living in australia or switzerland. i always thought that australia with it's weather, open economy, english language and so on, and pretty similar to CH level of living, is more attractive option.

But why so many poeple from Australia live in Switzerland then? Could you please compare these two countries, and which one you think is better to live? ( i have wife, but no kids )
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Re: Switzerland compared to Australia

Probably in the same way you could compare an elephant to a sperm whale: two different things.
Better than compare, I'd suggest you to enjoy what you find new in any country you are blessed to have the opportunity to live.
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Re: Switzerland compared to Australia

There are things I love about europe, (ok Switzerland if you want to be specific) people can discuss on many different topics, rather than the normal car, footy and beer from the blokes and bitching, bitching and more bitching from the sheilas. Switzerland doesn't have +40deg temperatures for most of the summer. BUT, in Australia you get space, you get silence, you get beaches and stars. Of course it's a bit dry there and the water tastes like crap, whereas here there is water flowing from every nook and cranny.
For now, I'm able - not happy but able - to stay here for a bit longer but eventually my plan is to go back, get a dog, a camel and an akkubra, head for the out-back and never smell humans again (here it's just all to crowded).
Oh, the money thing..... someone else will have to comment on that one.
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Re: Switzerland compared to Australia

Maybe the opposite could be true as well? I recently had a conversation about how the Swiss absolutely love Australia and that many Swiss woudl love to relocate to Australia. Maybe for retirement? We hypothesized that Australia, with its very relaxed and open culture/attitude must hold a certain attraction for the Swiss. Maybe they can really let loose in Australia!

Has anyone heard this spin or have evidence? I can't think of two more diverse cultures -- though I'm likely to be informed!
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Old 26.02.2009, 15:14
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Big decision. Switzerland and Australia are chalk and cheese.

Oz is a big place and generalisations about it can end up misleading. Where in Australia are you thinking of living? Have you ever been to Australia?

I haven't lived in Australia on a permanent basis but I've spent a lot of time there and have had to manage Non Australians I've sent there and deal with their integration issues. As you would expect, some people love it and don't want to come back, some love it initially until the novelty wears off and some rue the day they agreed to go because it fell short of expectations. But on balance few wanted to stay more than a few years. The same can be said about Switzerland too.

If you haven't done so already, for a european, I would've thought canvassing feedback from European expats in Australia would be more useful than feedback from Australians living in Europe. With that in mind, here's some feedback from my own experiences and others I had to manage:
Some like it hot but the heat in Australia can be hard to cope with
Aussies are generally a friendly bunch but they're also conservative and a bit parochial. Some expats find communities hard to break into and integrate with so the social side isn't a always a breeze.
Oz is not the end of the world but apart from New Zealand it's the closest most Europeans will get. It's a long way from home, friends and family. If you need to get away, even for a weekend, it means a long haul flight.

Whether it's Australia or Switzerland, you'll get out what you put in. Knowing what I know, if I was young and had the opportunity, I'd jump at the chance to do a spell in Australia. But I'd be doing it with my eyes open. Australia's reputation for being relaxed English speaking place doesn't mean you won't have challenges settling down. And always, settling permanently in a place is very different from taking a vacation there. Once the removers close the door of the truck and drive off leaving you in your new home, the reality of living in a place starts to sink in.
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Re: Switzerland compared to Australia

I am English.
Lived in Australia 3 years then moved here and have been here 3.5 years. Both places have good and bad points. If i had my time again, I would not have left Australia....but....I am quite happy to stay here in CH a while longer, but ultimately hope to return to Aus.

All this demonstrates that whichever place you prefer depends entirely on you and no one else!
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Australia... and don't even look back.
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Re: Switzerland compared to Australia

Actually, I think you'll find Aussies are pretty much everywhere. We like to travel, and sometimes we stay in a place we like. I eventually settled in France because the snow here is better than in Australia and it gives me an opportunity to learn about a lifestyle (food, drink, language, society, weather, everything) that I find interesting. Also, I hated the heat in Australia. Just too hot.

As dmarkd said, everyone is different: their reasons; their tastes; and their circumstances.
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Re: Switzerland compared to Australia

if you ask where in australia, i mean to compare places like Sydney, Melbourne to places like Zurich/Basel/Geneva etc. Of course compare things other than you can read from wiki, like huge differences in size, or different languages

and i know they are very different, that's why i ask about it... and i think it's not like comparing apples and oranges, because you actually have to choose just one country to live in, you cannot live in both at once. yes, you can live in both for some time, but i would like to also ask for your opinion , especially people that had been in both countries for a longer time.

i'm currently living in frankfurt for half a year, and got an offer to transfer to zurich. But my long-time goal was english-speaking country with better weather and a more liberal views on economy... USA seems to lost it's magic, besides it is awful for immigrants, high crime rates, not even near the top of the quality of living rankings, and so on...
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if you ask where in australia, i mean to compare places like Sydney, Melbourne to places like Zurich/Basel/Geneva etc. Of course compare things other than you can read from wiki, like huge differences in size, or different languages

and i know they are very different, that's why i ask about it... and i think it's not like comparing apples and oranges, because you actually have to choose just one country to live in, you cannot live in both at once.

yes, i'm from Warsaw originally, currently living in frankfurt for half a year, and got an offer to transfer to zurich. But my long-time goal was english-speaking country with better weather and a more liberal views on economy... USA seems to lost it's magic, besides it is awful for immigrants, high crime rates, not even near the top of the quality of living rankings, and so on...
Why do you think Switzerland is less liberal economically than Australia?
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Re: Switzerland compared to Australia

i've been here for 3 months, so far pretty good, i miss Bbq's mates and the open friendly atmostphere at most pubs. and of course the nice sunny days.

here we got the snow, being in europe to travel, reliable trains, the view.

each to their own, both have good and bad.

so far i still pan on going back to oz, mainly for family reasons, after a few years.
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Australia offered me a wonderful opportunity to do a lot of stuff what would be more difficult here. On that note it was so far away from stuff I knew and loved I chose Switzerland because I could work and earn enough money to visit Ozz the opposite way round wouldn't have been possible.
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i see many people from Australia on these forums, personally i have a choice of living in australia or switzerland. i always thought that australia with it's weather, open economy, english language and so on, and pretty similar to CH level of living, is more attractive option.

But why so many poeple from Australia live in Switzerland then? Could you please compare these two countries, and which one you think is better to live? ( i have wife, but no kids )
Australians are a bit like us Brits and we are both everywhere. There are over two million Brits in Australia. So the Aussies have probably, come here to get away from us Actually, there are loads of Aussies in London too and a few Brits. About 10% of Brits now live abroad. I've been around the world and lived abroad for over 10 years now, in the US, Spain and Switzerland. No one can really advise you, because it will all depend on so many things and everyones experience will be different. Go and try it.
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.. USA seems to lost it's magic, besides it is awful for immigrants, high crime rates, not even near the top of the quality of living rankings, and so on...

I think only the magical perception of the US has changed - US crime rates are at 40 year lows.
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Re: Switzerland compared to Australia

I grew up in Australia. I have spent the last 10 years abroad, just under 6 of those in Switzerland. We moved to Switzerland at 25/27 without kids.

Contrary to popular belief, Australian's actually have very long working hours and the workplace is a lot more stressful than here. 50 hours plus is not uncommon and waiting for your boss to leave is the norm in many jobs. Here you seem to come in at 8 and leave at 5 - sharp (as long as your work is done, but my colleagues don't even do that sometimes).

Every morning there is a BBC program about people from the UK wanting to move to Australia. Most families are surprised by what you get for your money house wise and what you earn for the hours you are expected to work. Electricians, dentists and plumbers are some of the professions that they showed as being worse off in Australia. Teachers however do earn a good salary in Australia.

We live much more comfortably here than we ever could in Sydney. I walk to work and the shops, schools and Kindergarten are nearby, so I don't need to drive. This makes the quality of my live incomparable to Sydney, where we would both need a car.

The whole keeping up with the Jones' thing is a big negative about Australia. Conspicuous consumption and buying "stuff" seems to be a hobby of friends there. The suburb you live in seems to matter and many expats ask "where are you from in Sydney?"

Money wise? Well our mortgage certainly isn't 50% of our salary like it was in Sydney, but we do have a 100 year mortgage You can't eat out every day like in Sydney, but you can afford nice local meat and a good bottle of wine. Champagne is also 1/4 of the price here
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But my long-time goal was english-speaking country with better weather and a more liberal views on economy... USA seems to lost it's magic, besides it is awful for immigrants, high crime rates, not even near the top of the quality of living rankings, and so on...
I don't want to burst your bubble but Australia doesn't rank low on league tables when it comes to crime and racial tensions. It has it's fair share of social problems like anywhere else. As I said before, Austalia is a pretty conservative society.
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Re: Switzerland compared to Australia

Australia is a LONG way from Europe. I love Australia and will return there at some point.

The advantages of being here is that Europe is on your doorstep, the trains run on time the weather is different and the scenery can be spectacular and different to Australia. Switzerland seems to feel a very safe society, I like the way kids are encouraged to walk or ride to school. There is less graffitti and seems to be less petty crime, for instance, shop owners can leave stands of books covered outside at lunch time when the shop closes and they are still there when the shop re-opens. Public gardens and other public spaces do not seem to be damaged by bunches of thugs with nothing better to do. I like the villages are laid out so I can walk everywhere for my basic needs, you do not need a car. I love that I can ride my bike without fear for my life, or my children's, by idiot car drivers that think that it is fun to get as close as possible to you without knocking you over. I love there are bike paths and bike routes everywhere. I certainly love the fact that my husband no longer sits on a train for 4 hours a day to go to and from Sydney, the only place to get an IT job.

However, I miss being able to converse with the other people on the tram who want to strike up a conversation. The language for me is a large barrier, I am trying with German and understanding more, but it is still a pain not being able to communicate well. I miss living in a house with a backyard and frontyard and being able to send the kids outside for a runaround, sitting in the backyard under the gum trees or hanging the washing out to dry in the sun( I am from a village in regional Australia). I used to love the tremendous variety of birds that you would hear every morning. I miss being able to see my family almost every weekend. I am not a beach go-er generally, but just driving near the coast being able to smell the salt air and see glimpses of the coast. Oh yeah and the food, so many types are available, and so fresh, and so inexpensive. Then there is the 24 hour shopping, even in our small town, very handy if you need that thing for a particular recipe, run out of baby nappies, milk, bread etc.

Well I have run off enough now. For the moment I am happy to be here, because it is different to what I know and provides different opportunities.

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Re: Switzerland compared to Australia

Hi

I was said by a friend of mine who where in Australia for the hollidays that in Australia men are attacked by women in dancing clubs because in Australia there are much more women than men. It's true hmmmm ?

Alexandre, Geneva
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Hi

I was said by a friend of mine who where in Australia for the hollidays that in Australia men are attacked by women in dancing clubs because in Australia there are much more women than men. It's true hmmmm ?

Alexandre, Geneva
hahahha,

That's only if you live in Mt Isa.........I wish it was like that when I was there!!

http://www.brisbanetimes.com.au/news...911516616.html
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