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Sorry for digging this up. I find it interesting how the watch market has been developping over the last few years. Omega, which was suggested in this thread, has easily doubled in price since this was written. While you could get a Speedmaster Pro (moon watch) for around 2000-2500 Fr. a few years back, they now run at 4100 Fr. It's almost impossible to find anything Omega below 3000 Fr. now. You can sell your 25 year old, used Speedy Pro at about 500-1000 Fr. over what you paid for it initially.
sad but true.
I am a collector and it is getting harder and harder to justify the purchase of a new watch today. It is a seller market now, especially if you own an old Rolex but 7300 chf for a new Submariner?! no thanks!
Let's see how these big maisons will adjust now that the swiss fr. is so high compared to euro, i have heard that audemars piguet has already reduced the price in many countries, whereas the Swatch group is still complaining about the situation but they won't get any sympathy from me for sure.

Re: Hamilton, i agree with you, one of the best "value for money" makers out there, together with Louis Erard.

if anyone knows any shop in EU with good prices and discounting VAT at the source please add it here
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i did a lot of research before buying my watch. i was looking at omega, rolex and breitling. i checked zurich, zurich airport, london, london airports, delhi duty free and the US. the cheapest place i found my watch was on the highstreet in london. i wangled a discount, plus claimed a lot of the VAT back because i no longer live there. all in all i paid about 60% of the price of the watch here. Delhi airport works out very cheap too. i actually managed to buy the mrs 2 omegas there, for the price of one here.
I have heard Singapore and Hong Kong are also good places, especially in the duty free shops at the airport.
Personally i wouldnt go anywhere near ebay for a watch

best things about trying to buy a swiss watch in switzerland i found was firstly, the prices are fixed on bahnhofstrasse (at least for the watches in my budget), same exact price for the same watch in each shop. I was offered a discount if i was buying more than 5....
then at the airport, i saw the watch i wanted, checked the price, asked the watch lady how much, and then realised it was the same as bahnhofstrasse. when i pointed this out, she matter of factly said, oh, you don't want to pay tax ?
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if anyone knows any shop in EU with good prices and discounting VAT at the source please add it here
Gassan at Schiphol Airport (Amsterdam). The price ones pays there are as high as the regular ex VAT price elsewhere. In reality they are discounting the price since you are given a VAT inclusive invoice (meaning you can claim VAT back in addition).
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I can strongly suggest Tissot. I have a low segment Tissot and I am very happy with it. The design is good and the watch is reliable.
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I can strongly suggest Tissot. I have a low segment Tissot and I am very happy with it. The design is good and the watch is reliable.
It's basically an expensive Swatch......
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Re: Swiss Watches

A Spanish friend asked me once to find out the prices for IWC watches locally.

Turned out they were quite a bit cheaper in the Canary Islands.
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Look up the archieluxury channel on youtube for good advice.

Also, chrono24 can give good deals. Acquired my Patek there for 30k which was a steal.
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It's basically an expensive Swatch......
They're only slightly above Swatch price-wise nowadays, but if you hold both in your hands, you'll fairly quickly see that Tissot are several classes above Swatch in craftsmanship.

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Look up the archieluxury channel on youtube for good advice.

Also, chrono24 can give good deals. Acquired my Patek there for 30k which was a steal.
When buying watches from unauthorized sources, make sure you don't fall for fakes. My first Speedmaster Pro ended up being a Frankenwatch - something some enthusiast had put together from parts he had probably bought on eBay. Except for the tachymeter bezel, everything turned out to be original Omega parts, but the watch definitely was never assembled by Omega. Most parts were from the 90s, the movement was from 1970.

Anyway, wasn't easy to get rid of that one and I lost a good 1300 fr. on it. And I was lucky - could have been a complete fake. I still got 1500 for it because someone wanted that early 861 movement badly, but I had paid 2800 for it. Had bought it from a renowned German watch auction site.
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They're only slightly above Swatch price-wise nowadays, but if you hold both in your hands, you'll fairly quickly see that Tissot are several classes above Swatch in craftsmanship.
I'm sure you're right......
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They're only slightly above Swatch price-wise nowadays, but if you hold both in your hands, you'll fairly quickly see that Tissot are several classes above Swatch in craftsmanship.
Swatch, Tissot, etc. is all mass produced 'crap'

The best mass produced watches are Rolex. Second best would be Omega.

If you want upper class horology (with accompanying price and 'sensitivity' of the watches) try the holy trinity:
- Patek
- Audemars P
- VC

Jaeger, Breguet provide good alternatives.
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When buying watches from unauthorized sources, make sure you don't fall for fakes. My first Speedmaster Pro ended up being a Frankenwatch - something some enthusiast had put together from parts he had probably bought on eBay. Except for the tachymeter bezel, everything turned out to be original Omega parts, but the watch definitely was never assembled by Omega. Most parts were from the 90s, the movement was from 1970.

Anyway, wasn't easy to get rid of that one and I lost a good 1300 fr. on it. And I was lucky - could have been a complete fake. I still got 1500 for it because someone wanted that early 861 movement badly, but I had paid 2800 for it. Had bought it from a renowned German watch auction site.
Filter for grey market dealers with good feedback. Google them as well.
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Swatch, Tissot, etc. is all mass produced 'crap'

The best mass produced watches are Rolex. Second best would be Omega.

If you want upper class horology (with accompanying price and 'sensitivity' of the watches) try the holy trinity:
- Patek
- Audemars P
- VC

Jaeger, Breguet provide good alternatives.
Oh yeah.

I have a Tissot quartz watch I bought in 1979. Still has to be adjusted by about four seconds per year and runs four and a half years on a battery. Although it is an analog watch, it has an absolutely ingenious hour switching system; switching to daylight saving time and back or to another time zone is a matter of seconds, and it keeps running by the second during the whole process. Has gone with me through thousands of nautical miles in sometimes very stormy waters in various climates, done a huge lot of snorkeling, winter sports, military service etc.. Still looking good. Cost CHF 169.00.

I also have a Jaeger-LeCoultre, purchased in 2002. Automatic winder, no quartz, hence going wrong about 15 secs per week. Changing time zones etc. is an absolute p.i.t.a.. The date switch stopped working after three years, and J-LC hasn't been able to repair it in four attempts. Has spent more time in repair than on my wrist. I only wear it on special occasions, but a quick run from a restaurant to the parking lot in heavy rain without an umbrella (but wearing a coat!) suffices to fog it up and make the greenish luminous stuff on the hands turn brown within a day. Usually, when I have to take it in, I get an estimate after four to six weeks, and the repair proper usually takes three months if I'm lucky. Total repair costs so far CHF 3450.00, about one third of the purchase price, and counting.

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Swatch, Tissot, etc. is all mass produced 'crap'

The best mass produced watches are Rolex. Second best would be Omega.

If you want upper class horology (with accompanying price and 'sensitivity' of the watches) try the holy trinity:
- Patek
- Audemars P
- VC

Jaeger, Breguet provide good alternatives.
They're definitely mass produced, but I wouldn't call them crap. I own neither a Swatch nor a Tissot, but I own several Hamiltons, which are also mass produced, of course. They're every bit as well made as my Omegas. Rolex makes great watches, but if you want individuality (and can afford it), you don't buy Rolex. I'd kill for a Rolex, but I have a family and two kids who need to eat. And I'm simply against spending more money on a watch than on a new car, so a Patek will always be out of the question, even if I could afford it. They're incredible, no doubt about it, but I don't really want to own one.
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They're definitely mass produced, but I wouldn't call them crap. I own neither a Swatch nor a Tissot, but I own several Hamiltons, which are also mass produced, of course. They're every bit as well made as my Omegas. Rolex makes great watches, but if you want individuality (and can afford it), you don't buy Rolex. I'd kill for a Rolex, but I have a family and two kids who need to eat. And I'm simply against spending more money on a watch than on a new car, so a Patek will always be out of the question, even if I could afford it. They're incredible, no doubt about it, but I don't really want to own one.
Tudor sounds like a right compromise for you. Check out the Pelago. Made by Rolex.
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Tudor sounds like a right compromise for you. Check out the Pelago. Made by Rolex.
The movement is made by the Swatch group
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The movement is made by the Swatch group
Really, didn't know that.

Still a good compromise if you want something mass produced but not willing to go on low end or high end.

A second hand Speedmaster would also be a good one.
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Really, didn't know that.

Still a good compromise if you want something mass produced but not willing to go on low end or high end.

A second hand Speedmaster would also be a good one.

I have a Speedmaster Pro (two of them, actually, but I'm in the process of selling one) great watch. The Tudor watches look awesome, but for the price of a new Tudor you can almost get a used Rolex (well, some of them - like a Submariner). I don't really mind the ETA movements, some of them are highly accurate technical marvels, but as I said - if you don't mind buying used, it's hard to justify against a Rolex.
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If it is of any help steinhart do some very good automatics for a reasonable price. I bought one and really happy with it.

Check it out-

http://www.steinhartwatches.de/en/
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Really, didn't know that.

Still a good compromise if you want something mass produced but not willing to go on low end or high end.

A second hand Speedmaster would also be a good one.
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