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Old 21.04.2009, 15:36
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So there's a distinction between the Swiss-German reformed "Zwigli" and the French "Calvinist" church?
There definitely is.
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There definitely is.
Please tell us more. Can you back that?

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Yes, they are quite broad. I have heard these claims, but often made by politicians or TV evangelists. I hope it doesn't surprise you to know that they don't necessarily speak for everybody.

I appreciate your kind concern, and hasten to reassure you that this does not surprise me at all - nor, had it done so, would it have been fatal. I am in the rudest of cardiovascular health these days.

It doesn't surprise me that you would hear it from politicians and TV evangelists - they make a living by knowing their audience, after all. I don't pay much attention to either group, so I have heard it mostly from family, friends, neighbors and colleagues.

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Remember that the pilgrims were fleeing religious persecution. The Declaration of Independence is clearly premised on God. Yet one of the hallmarks of the Constitution is the separation of Church and State.
If you say so. I'm really not interested in arguing on here whether America is in fact a "Christian country," according to the definition above or any other. The question was one of usage - or rather, of my grasp of usage - and I think I've demonstrated that adequately.
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But the Puritan Separatists in England can be traced back to the Anabaptists, no?
No, not to any real extent. Homegrown movement inspired by Calvinism.

There was an Arminian branch as well at one point - a generation or two later - but it fizzled out almost completely. Then the Calvinist branch split in two, and most modern-day Baptist churches derive from the general-atonement, pro-evangelism side of that split.
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Please tell us more. Can you back that?
I'm not a theologian but Google might be a good place to start.

You'll find plenty of essays by Zwinglians explaining what's wrong with Calvinism and vice versa. I am not sufficiently interested in the details to be able to explain them precisely or faithfully.
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So there's a distinction between the Swiss-German reformed "Zwigli" and the French "Calvinist" church?
Something to do with green twigs, perhaps?
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Old 21.04.2009, 17:47
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Been here a few months - and am curious about something in Switzerland? How religious is this country? Would love a perspective from a Swiss person?
Purely curious - and don't want to start a "church is bad/good" argument?
Oh, don't worry! There's no fear of that happening here.
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As for the OP's concerns of how religion will encroach on him in Switzerland, it will. You will see it and you will feel its presence. While it may be unlikely for a complete stranger to corner you, telling you about your destiny in hellfire, ala US Bible Thumper Style, you will feel it in the curtailing of your behavior.

I'm American, and I will say that I feel more religion pressed upon me here than in the US.

For example, you will likely come to be notice if you try to wash your car on a Sunday. You won't be able to do a lot of shopping on Sundays. When you walk into the wilderness, you'll find it dotted with churches. You will likely hear church bells on a regular basis. And you will be forced to take day offs on religious holidays.

Those who tell you that Switzerland is not a religious country are talking out of their own self-delusion.
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Those who tell you that Switzerland is not a religious country are talking out of their own self-delusion.
... or merely acknowledging the cultural influence of a once-powerful religion that isn't particularly relevant to the day-to-day lives of most people in any meaningful way, except in the existence of holidays, church bells and other stuff that is typical of any European nation, including godless nations like England.

Having a day off for Good Friday doesn't make one religious, it just makes one European.
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... or merely acknowledging the cultural influence of a once-powerful religion that isn't particularly relevant to the day-to-day lives of most people in any meaningful way, except in the existence of holidays, church bells and other stuff that is typical of any European nation, including godless nations like England.

Having a day off for Good Friday doesn't make one religious, it just makes one European.

Acknowledging it or not, ignoring it or not, or whatever attitude you choose to have about it, the reality of it is there. The curtail on your activities is not on a voluntary basis.
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The curtail on your activities is not on a voluntary basis.
What curtail? My life in Switzerland is little different to my life in England. Religion had no influence on my life there, and it has no influence on my life here.

It's a bit like the existence of a queen in England - so it makes me a subject instead of a citizen... and?

Traditional remnants of past beliefs do not mean those beliefs are still powerful and meaningful. Are you a worshipper of Mithras because you have a day off on December 25th, or are you merely enjoying the benefits of a common culture, parts of which derive from past religious practices?
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Acknowledging it or not, ignoring it or not, or whatever attitude you choose to have about it, the reality of it is there. The curtail on your activities is not on a voluntary basis.
Switzerland isn't a big country, but there are differences between catholic and protestant cantons and cultures, therefore it isn't always good to generalise. There are many people that wash their cars etc, on a Sunday, where I am.
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What curtail? My life in Switzerland is little different to my life in England. Religion had no influence on my life there, and it has no influence on my life here.

It's a bit like the existence of a queen in England - so it makes me a subject instead of a citizen... and?

Traditional remnants of past beliefs do not mean those beliefs are still powerful and meaningful. Are you a worshipper of Mithras because you have a day off on December 25th, or are you merely enjoying the benefits of a common culture, parts of which derive from past religious practices?

Like I said, you can dream up whatever attitude you would like towards the way things work in Switzerland. Though it may not be your religion, you are living within its influence. Though you are just as welcome to deny it.
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Switzerland isn't a big country, but there are differences between catholic and protestant cantons and cultures, therefore it isn't always good to generalise. There are many people that wash their cars etc, on a Sunday, where I am.

I wash my car on Sundays regardless. But then, its a hobby of mine to transgress traditions.
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... as a God-fearin' devil-chasin' sin-hatin' grape-juice-drinkin' Baptist. ...
I was shocked when I visited a Baptist church in Russia. The communion wine had alcohol in it!
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I wash my car on Sundays regardless. But then, its a hobby of mine to transgress traditions.
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Like I said, you can dream up whatever attitude you would like towards the way things work in Switzerland. Though it may not be your religion, you are living within its influence. Though you are just as welcome to deny it.
You can accuse me of whatever you like, old chap. I do not practise a religion, and the practices of religious people do not affect my life one jot. I get a holiday for Easter because everyone gets a holiday for Easter in the Canton in which I work. I also get a holiday for May 1st. Does that mean that I am under the influence of communists, too?

In what other ways does Christianity influence my life?

Does it stop me shopping on a Sunday? Er...no.

Does it make me get up early for communion on a Sunday? Er... no.

Does it mean I can't do my laundry on High Days and Holy Days? Er... no.

Cultural traditions and religious practice are not the same thing, even if you'd like them to be.
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I wash my car on Sundays regardless. But then, its a hobby of mine to transgress traditions.
I thought washing your car yourself on any day was a sin here!
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Re: Whats the story with Religion and Churches in Switzerland?

I like the thread title. what's the story with religion and churches. I think there is a statistic for that, like for everything else. I just can't be bothered to look it up. this would answer the question as facts, religion & churches. a list of religions and a list of churches in this country.

the rest is all personal views and convictions.
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You can accuse me of whatever you like, old chap. I do not practise a religion, and the practices of religious people do not affect my life one jot. I get a holiday for Easter because everyone gets a holiday for Easter in the Canton in which I work. I also get a holiday for May 1st. Does that mean that I am under the influence of communists, too?

In what other ways does Christianity influence my life?
I bet you say, "Oh my god!" when you are coming!
I once practised a religion, but I just couldn't get it right so I gave up!
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