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cannut 24.07.2009 13:58

Re: Swiss coins
 
5Rp should make good tips for lousey service :p:D

Guest 24.07.2009 14:22

Re: Swiss coins
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Nev (Post 226172)
We all would probably look dull and grubby after 125 years in and out of people's pockets (horrible thought)! Wonder what 20 centimes would buy back in 1883.

You could probably just send an sms with a 20 back then. The mobile phones and such kind of stuff were quite pricey I guess :D

PaddyG 25.03.2011 16:51

Old Swiss coins
 
Was trying to work out why the vending machine at work wouldn't accept 20 Rp piece, then realised it was minted in 1909 :eek:. It astonishes me that such old coins are still in circulation and still legal tender. Imagine the number of grubby pairs of hands it has been through in its lifetime.
Wonder how much it is worth to a collector.

25.03.2011 16:55

Re: Old Swiss coins
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by PaddyG (Post 1148056)
Was trying to work out why the vending machine at work wouldn't accept 20 Rp piece, then realised it was minted in 1909 :eek:. It astonishes me that such old coins are still in circulation and still legal tender. Imagine the number of grubby pairs of hands it has been through in its lifetime.
Wonder how much it is worth to a collector.

Probably not worth much more than its face value. I've got a couple dozen 20Rp coins dated pre-WWII.

MathNut 25.03.2011 17:23

Re: Old Swiss coins
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by PaddyG (Post 1148056)
Wonder how much it is worth to a collector.

About a franc, looks like - more if it is in better condition of course.

(I'll give you CHF1.05... :msntongue:)

Sky 25.03.2011 19:20

Re: Old Swiss coins
 
That's cool.. any idea what the MM F VF XF Unc
stands for ??

slammer 25.03.2011 22:04

Re: Old Swiss coins
 
Damn, just going through the coins I save in the old milk-bottle. Newt special yet.

cannut 25.03.2011 22:22

Re: Old Swiss coins
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Sky (Post 1148155)
That's cool.. any idea what the MM F VF XF Unc
stands for ??

MM=Milimeter, F=Fahreinheit , VF=Vorget Fahreinheit, XF=Large Fahreinheit Unc= Unclear:p

Rangatiranui 25.03.2011 23:18

Re: Old Swiss coins
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by cannut (Post 1148260)
MM=Milimeter, F=Fahreinheit , VF=Vorget Fahreinheit, XF=Large Fahreinheit Unc= Unclear:p

I would have said that UNC was uncirculated, but i could be wrong.

The rest, i'll have to go with the canadian interpretation..
The other option is to look at what Marcel said ;) but its far more boring..

At the beginning of last century, 5 chf coins used to be made of silver, so worth more when molten than as a coin. Thats why there is such a change in market value between 1926 and 1931.

cannut 25.03.2011 23:26

Re: Old Swiss coins
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Rangatiranui (Post 1148309)
I would have said that UNC was uncirculated, but i could be wrong.

The rest, i'll have to go with the canadian interpretation..
The other option is to look at what Marcel said ;) but its far more boring..

At the beginning of last century, 5 chf coins used to be made of silver, so worth more when molten than as a coin. Thats why there is such a change in market value between 1926 and 1931.

But I am also swiss ,thats why I spelled Forget with a "V":D

araqyl 26.03.2011 08:42

Re: Old Swiss coins
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Rangatiranui (Post 1148309)
At the beginning of last century, 5 chf coins used to be made of silver, so worth more when molten than as a coin. Thats why there is such a change in market value between 1926 and 1931.

The coins today are all (except the 5 Rp) of a copper-nickel alloy - but before 1967 some were made of a silver alloy.
Older 20 Rp coins were pure nickel, those minted between 1881 & 1938. For some reason the old 10 Rp coins were made in the copper-nickel alloy even back then ... :cool:

Puhutes 26.03.2011 10:11

Re: Old Swiss coins
 
Find it kinda odd myself. My husband told me about a year ago that the banks took most old coins out of circulation long ago but recently I've been almost only getting coins pre1970. Not sure when they stopped producing silver coins here but I can tell you... people will pay more than the "1sfr" the people above mentioned, on Ricardo. Also been saving all silver looking coins :)

araqyl 26.03.2011 10:31

Re: Old Swiss coins
 
They're taking those pre-1938 20 Raps out of circulation because of the problem the OP encountered, vending machines not accepting them ... the 10s, because they're basically the same as the new-minted ones, are still floating around freely ...

Captain Greybeard 26.03.2011 10:43

Re: Old Swiss coins
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Rangatiranui (Post 1148309)
At the beginning of last century, 5 chf coins used to be made of silver, so worth more when molten than as a coin. Thats why there is such a change in market value between 1926 and 1931.

Sorry Rangatiranui, but that change must have had other reasons. Not only the 5 CHF coins, but also all 1/2 CHF, 1 CHF and 2 CHF coins were made of a silver alloy (silver 800 - 835, very old ones up to 900) until the silver value exceeded the nominal value. And that was in 1967. The series of 1968 was the first that used cupro-nickel. I remember foreigners traveling to Switzerland and back abroad by car, carrying briefcases full of silver coins. The government soon declared such practice illegal, to no avail, so the new series was quickly minted to replace the overvalued one. Details (unfortunately only in German).

JPZ 26.03.2011 11:03

Re: Old Swiss coins
 
I've also noticed that I often get older 10 and 20 rp coins. I just looked on my counter and there is a 10 rp from 1927 and a 20 rp from 1921. I also received a 5 chf coin from 1969 that is clearly made of silver. I was surprised when it was handed to me, because of the sound it made with the other coins. I've kept it, but not really sure what I'll do with it.

Captain Greybeard 26.03.2011 11:26

Re: Old Swiss coins
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by JPZ (Post 1148531)
I've also noticed that I often get older 10 and 20 rp coins. I just looked on my counter and there is a 10 rp from 1927 and a 20 rp from 1921. I also received a 5 chf coin from 1969 that is clearly made of silver. I was surprised when it was handed to me, because of the sound it made with the other coins. I've kept it, but not really sure what I'll do with it.

Yup, that's correct. Actually the change of 1968 was a bit more complicated than I decribed it above. I just wanted to keep things simple and not go too much OT.

The silver content of the 5 CHF coins was lower than the other coins, so the risk of it exceeding its nominal value was lower. In 1967, the government decided to mint cupro-nickel 5 CHF coins but not circulate them yet. That was done in late 1967 and in 1968. However, for reasons I don't know, in 1969, about 8,600 million silver coins were minted and released. That triggered a huge collection boom, so the 1969 series was back to the cupro-nickel stuff, and that's what it has been ever since.

american lockpicker 29.03.2011 20:53

Re: Old Swiss coins
 
Any chance of pictures? I used to collect coins back when the prices were low(Ag $6-9 oz. Au $350 oz. Pt. $1000ish oz.) and Swiss coins always interested me. I used to have a few silver coins and 2 20 Franc gold coins. :)

Captain Greybeard 29.03.2011 22:04

Re: Old Swiss coins
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by american lockpicker (Post 1152261)
Any chance of pictures? I used to collect coins back when the prices were low(Ag $6-9 oz. Au $350 oz. Pt. $1000ish oz.) and Swiss coins always interested me. I used to have a few silver coins and 2 20 Franc gold coins. :)

Photos? Actually you can use photos of the current coins to cover pretty much everything back to 1874, with only a few exceptions. No matter whether it's silver or cupro-nickel, the changes of design have been extremely rare and absolutely minimal.

For instance, on the coins featuring the "standing Helvetia" (first issued in 1875), a star was added on the obverse side in 1983 to represent the newly founded Canton Jura. And even a year earlier, the obverse side of the 2 Fr. coins was turned by 180° to match the orientation of the reverse side (or the other way round, depending on what came first, the hen or the egg).

Besides that, the silver coins were a bit more whitish and less shiny than the newer cupro-nickel version.

The first 5 Fr. coins, in Swiss German called "Fünfliber," were minted in 1850. There were several designs before the the current one was created in 1922. So the design still in circulation is the youngest member of the "family," so to say.

By the way, the 10 Cts. coins, first issued in 1879, are by far the oldest still legal coins world-wide, still same design and same alloy, although there were a few attempts to change the alloy (1918 - 1919 and 1932 - 1939), which these days causes the same problems in certain vending machines as with some 20 Cts. coins mentioned in the OP.

The gold coins always were a class of their own in that very soon after being issued, due to small numbers, they were worth much more than their nominal values. That made them nice presents on special occasions, but they never had a real importance as legal tender.

araqyl 29.03.2011 23:08

Re: Old Swiss coins
 
Speaking of orientation, some 5 Fr coins are upside down (ie, the obverse is 'flipped' compared to the reverse). Haven't checked closely, but they seem to be from a fairly short period of time ...

Deep Purple 29.03.2011 23:14

Re: Old Swiss coins
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Sky (Post 1148155)
That's cool.. any idea what the MM F VF XF Unc
stands for ??

http://www.zumbo.ch/coins/ch/price.html All the details ;)


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