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My problem is that even if I hear the lyrics, I do not really listen to what a song is about....so if someone says "great song" unless I liked the actual music I'm clueless. Rap is lost on me
Fair enough. The French group had a song with lyrics with an actual deeper meaning, doesn't help winning.
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What a joke from beginning to end. Should be called Eurovision gay contest.
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What a joke from beginning to end. Should be called Eurovision gay contest.
How is gay synonymous with joke in your world?

Gay Eurovision, some think so and there are very good reasons for that. Here is a hint: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g5ZDbEBt3iY

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Fair enough. The French group had a song with lyrics with an actual deeper meaning, doesn't help winning.
Help me out. What's the deeper meaning behind "All I want is a mustache."
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Re: Eurovision - anybody watching?

Conchita is like an optical illusion that challenges perceptions. Ladies with beards may become a trend in today's world of non-genderism.
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Conchita doesn't exist. Fame is everything.
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Life's really too short to watch the whole thing- only watched the short versions at the end, and couldn't be asked to stay up to see who won. Yes, they all sound the same to me really- and although Conchita seemed to be as good as the others, it was a political decision, as usual- silly.

I have several very close friends who are cross-gender, and 2 (male to female) who went through the whole process of changing gender, 1 at 19 and 1 at 40 (not so successful- as 2 EF friends found out when they met her last year )... and one who sadly left it too late, and at 62 found it was just not possible- but as found her own way of dealing with this. None have chosen to mix the two quite so badly as Conchita. Each to their own, and good luck to her.

Hirsutism is still something that many women suffer from- I had an Asian student whose confidence and whole life was blighted by this- I wonder how she felt when seeing Conchita. Good to challenge perception and prejudice, not quite sure this is the best way to do this.

From the little bit I heard, the girl from Azerbaijan was the best.

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Bearded ladies. Hmmm...

Not a good look IMHO.
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What a joke from beginning to end. Should be called Eurovision gay contest.
Ah, that's a bit of a bully comment
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Eurovision in 70's was voting for best performance like ABBA in 74.
Now Eurovision is more voting for "breast performance" like Poland.
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I have several very close friends who are cross-gender, and 2 (male to female) who went through the whole process of changing gender, 1 at 19 and 1 at 40 (not so successful- as 2 EF friends found out when they met her)... and one who sadly left it too late, and at 62 found it was just not possible- but as found her own way of dealing with this. None have chosen to mix the two quite so badly as Conchita. Each to their own, and good luck to her.

Hirsutism is still something that many women suffer from- I had an Asian student whose confidence and whole life was blighted by this- I wonder how she felt when seeing Conchita. Good to challenge perception and prejudice, not quite sure this is the best way to do this.
"Conchita" is an entertainment persona - i.e. a man performing in character. He doesn't identify as female nor is he trying to pass as female.

This character he's playing identifies as female, and so people use female pronouns to refer to her - but not the artist - much the same as you would refer to an actor who happened to be playing an opposite-gender role.

It's the same thing as Barry Humphries doing Dame Edna Everage, nothing at all to do with female hirsutism or transsexuality.
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Help me out. What's the deeper meaning behind "All I want is a mustache."
Read the rest and you'll get it. It's about consumerism and the confusion having/being. Hence the mustache as metaphor for male identity or gender equality one can't buy… Definitely stuff for a Middle school lesson: Text interpretation, critical thinking and metaphoric language use.
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"Conchita" is an entertainment persona - i.e. a man performing in character. He doesn't identify as female nor is he trying to pass as female.
Right on that but still, it's a little bit more than that. He is clearly questioning the gender issues. He refuses to chose between male and female. This reflects the debate about gender in science and philosophy that is just perspiring in the social and cultural broad debate becoming a political issue as a result. He represents the step just before the politics, forcing ourselves to take this reality into consideration in further politics and sociological issues in our respective countries and cultures. It's far too advanced for most Eurovision public, I admit, but it's the way Eurovision always has been.
Note that he has no political juridical agenda as such. He doesn't demand anything in particular, he just asks the question: Facing this reality he makes himself a symbol of, what does happiness means?
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Hence the mustache as metaphor for male identity or gender equality one can't buy… .

Not very original though.. neither is the excessive hype.
It's almost a swing back to neoclassicism and its depiction of the male body.
Wonder what are the mechanisms that carry yesterday evening's statement.
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Right on that but still, it's a little bit more than that. He is clearly questioning the gender issues. He refuses to chose between male and female. This reflects the debate about gender in science and philosophy that is just perspiring in the social and cultural broad debate becoming a political issue as a result. He represents the step just before the politics, forcing ourselves to take this reality into consideration in further politics and sociological issues in our respective countries and cultures. It's far too advanced for most Eurovision public, I admit, but it's the way Eurovision always has been.
Note that he has no political juridical agenda as such. He doesn't demand anything in particular, he just asks the question: Facing this reality he makes himself a symbol of, what does happiness means?
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It's almost a swing back to neoclassicism and its depiction of the male body.
If it wasn't for the French, there would be no such statement with such big words in a thread about Eurovision. This is what I call having a deeper meaning. Agreeing or not is a different issue. :mannered:

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"Conchita" is an entertainment persona - i.e. a man performing in character. He doesn't identify as female nor is he trying to pass as female.

This character he's playing identifies as female, and so people use female pronouns to refer to her - but not the artist - much the same as you would refer to an actor who happened to be playing an opposite-gender role.

It's the same thing as Barry Humphries doing Dame Edna Everage, nothing at all to do with female hirsutism or transsexuality.
Persons are not like computer bits 0 or 1 and sexuality is muuuuuuuuuch complex than being a man or a woman. We all are just in a scale between these ones! If you study about these topic you will see there are women who are genetically men and cannot have children and viceversa... Then it's the hormones thema that influences the possibilities even more.

Many women need depilation to avoid their natural tendence of getting fur in many parts of their bodies and many men look naked like babies (no fur at all).
That is why we have to respect this. In the future it will be normal being as you come to world, and it will be possible to change the genes. But now we have to live with the prejudices and the historical and cultural bagage.
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Persons are not like computer bits 0 or 1 and sexuality is muuuuuuuuuch complex than being a man or a woman. We all are just in a scale between these ones! If you study about these topic you will see there women who are genetically men and cannot have children and viceversa... Then it's the hormones thema that influences the possibilities even more.

Many women need depilation to avoid their natural tendence of getting fur in many parts of their bodies and many men look naked like babies (no fur at all).
That is why we have to respect this. In the future it will be normal being as you come to world, and it will be possible to change the genes. But now we have to live with the prejudices and the historical and cultural bagage.
He's a beardy bloke in a dress. That's all.
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Read the rest and you'll get it. It's about consumerism and the confusion having/being. Hence the mustache as metaphor for male identity or gender equality one can't buy… Definitely stuff for a Middle school lesson: Text interpretation, critical thinking and metaphoric language use.
Have you got the lyrics to hand?
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