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He's a beardy bloke in a dress. That's all.
yup, ok.. but that's not the point.. what did she represent that carried the masses ?

Olygirl's idea of non-genderism is interesting.
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yup, ok.. but that's not the point.. what did she represent that carried the masses ?
Spectacle.
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Re: Eurovision - anybody watching?

I recommend to use the Eurovision to explain and illustrate the concept of apophenia.
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Truly a masterpiece. my goodness.
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spectacle and meaningless.. perhaps you're right
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...sexuality is muuuuuuuuuch complex than being a man or a woman.
I think that is only true for a minority of men. Most men's sexuality is pretty straightforward.

In Panto we don't worry about women with beards. Or cross-dressing in either direction. (Only two more audition nights, btw - Thursday and Friday, 15th and 16th).
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Many women need depilation to avoid their natural tendence of getting fur in many parts of their bodies and many men look naked like babies (no fur at all).
That is why we have to respect this. In the future it will be normal being as you come to world, and it will be possible to change the genes. But now we have to live with the prejudices and the historical and cultural bagage.
It's the natural tendence to grow hair (not fur) that makes us men and women. Until we do, we're children. Why do we seem to prefer looking like children rather than being grown-ups? Like it or not, when a child starts growing hair in places other than their heads it's a sign of sexual maturity. The current fashion for hairlessness makes me think of child brides and cradle snatching.
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I think that is only true for a minority of men. Most men's sexuality is pretty straightforward.

In Panto we don't worry about women with beards. Or cross-dressing in either direction. (Only two more audition nights, btw - Thursday and Friday, 15th and 16th).
It's not about our opinions. It's just a fact. Genetics. Biology.
We are not that simple. It's a combination of multiple factors. There are women who look 100% like a woman and are attracted by men.... but if you analyze their genes, they are xy (genetically masculine). The same with men... A scientist friend explained me about this topic and it's really complex.
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Of course, unlike the commentators, you understood right away that her artist name was chosen for the double meaning of the word…


Wurst
1. sausage and its connotations
2. expression of indifference in the expression "Es ist mir wurst" (pronounced like wurscht)
And Conchita which means...ahem, never mind.
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It's not about our opinions. It's just a fact. Genetics. Biology.
We are not that simple. It's a combination of multiple factors. There are women who look 100% like a woman and are attracted by men.... but if you analyze their genes, they are xy (genetically masculine). The same with men... A scientist friend explained me about this topic and it's really complex.
Meanwhile, Conchita Wurst is a man in a frock.
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Life's really too short to watch the whole thing.
Considering how many stupid movies/news/shows we've all seen so far (unless one doesn't own a tv set), and how much time we spend on EF...
Nah, it was entertaining. I don't know anyone who takes it too seriously.

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..as a man in a dress, he looked pretty cool. The beard was only an extravagant touch. Everybody could figure out right from the start his sexual orientation, it's not shocking anymore. He was fun.
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Actually, what Faltrad and others have pointed out- is that his/her sexual orientation is indeed NOT clear at all- and that was the whole point.
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Yes it is, he loves men.
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Re: Eurovision - anybody watching?

Is it really that important?
A clear case of épater les bourgeois, etc.
But, this is supposed to be about music, right?

If she's that good, we'll see in years to come,. But I sincerely doubt.

Had a look at winners since beginning. I remember
- ABBA, Udo Jurgens, Sandie Shaw, Celine Dion, Katrina and the waves, Lena
- and being Italian Gigliola Cinquetti and Toto Cutugno (by the way, sorry for that. - crime against humanity and all that. did not mean no harm).

And the only songs I remember without googling are "Waterloo" and "Non ho l'età".

What about you?

1957 Corry Brokken- Net als toen
1958 André Clavear - Dors, mon amour
1959 Teddy Scholter- Een beetje
1960 Jacqueline Boyer - Tom Pillibi
1961 Jean-Claude Pascal - Nous les amoureux
1962 Isabelle Aubret- Un premier amour
1963 Grethe e Jørgen Ingmann - Dansevise
1964 Gigliola Cinquetti - Non ho l'età (Per amarti)
1965 Gall - Poupée de cire, poupée de son
1966 Udo Jürgens - Merci Chérie
1967 Sandie Shaw - Puppet on a String
1968 Massiel - La, la, la
1969 Frida Boccara - Un jour, un enfant
Lenny Kuhr - De troubadour
Lulu - Boom Bang-a-Bang
Salomé - Vivo cantando
1970 Dana - All Kinds of Everything
1971 Séverine - Un banc, un arbre, une rue
1972 Vicky Léandros- Après toi
1973 Anne - Marie David - Tu te reconnaîtras
1974 ABBA - Waterloo
1975 Teach-In - Ding-A-Dong
1976 Brotherhood of Man - Save Your Kisses for Me
1977 Marie Myriam - L'oiseau et l'enfant
1978 Izhar Cohen & The Alpha Beta - A-Ba-Ni-Bi
1979 Milk & Honey e Gali Atari - Hallelujah
1980 Johnny Logan - What's Another Year?
1981 Bucks Fizz - Making Your Mind Up
1982 Nicole - Ein bißchen Frieden
1983 Corinne Hermès - Si la vie est cadeau
1984 Herreys - Diggi-Loo Diggi-Ley
1985 Bobbysocks - La det swinge n
1986 Sandra Kim - J'aime la vie
1987 Johnny Logan- Hold Me Now
1988 Céline Dion - Ne partez pas sans moi
1989 Riva - Rock Me
1990 Toto Cutugno - Insieme
1991 Carola - Fångad av en stormvind
1992 Linda Martin- Why Me?
1993 Niamh Kavanagh - In Your Eyes
1994 Paul Harrington e Charlie McGettigan - Rock 'n' Roll Kids
1995 Secret Garden - Nocturne
1996 Eimear Quinn - The Voice
1997 Katrina and the Waves - Love Shine a Light
1998 Dana International - Diva
1999 Charlotte Nilsson- Take Me to Your Heaven
2000 Olsen Brothers - Fly on the Wings of Love
2001 Tanel Padar, Dave Benton & 2XL - Everybody
2002 Marie N- I Wanna
2003 Sertab Erener - Every Way that I Can
2004 Rusiana - Wild Dances
2005 Helena Paparizou - My Number One
2006 Lordi - Hard Rock Hallelujah
2007 Marija Šerifović- Molitva
2008 Dima Bilan- Believe
2009 Alexander Rybak - Fairytale
2010 Lena - Satellite
2011 Ell & Nikki- Running Scared
2012 Loreen- Euphoria
2013 Emmelie de Forest - Only Teardrops
2014 Conchita Wurst- Rise Like a Phoenix

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Re: Eurovision - anybody watching?

Well, looking at your list i wonder how on earth names like Gigliola Cinquetti and Toto Cutugno participated in this contest. It's a totally, totally different affair nowadays.
I'm biased because my parents used to listen to a lot of what you've mentioned, especially the Italians.
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Re: Eurovision - anybody watching?

If the heated comments on my FB stream last evening whilst it was on are anything to go by, then some defo take the EV very seriously. The poor things.

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I don't know anyone who takes it too seriously.
I think he looked okay(ish) but that's about all. Even the worst dressed transgender dudes on Rupaul's Drag Race TV series knock the socks of him dress and every other way wise.

If he walked past me in the street dressed as he was last night, I wouldn't even bat an eyelid. Seriously.

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Yes it is, he loves men.
The 'wurst' thing is, his real name is Tom!

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sexual identity : gay/straight
sexual gender : male/female

Don't mix up the two.
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It's not about our opinions. It's just a fact. Genetics. Biology.
We are not that simple. It's a combination of multiple factors. There are women who look 100% like a woman and are attracted by men.... but if you analyze their genes, they are xy (genetically masculine). The same with men... A scientist friend explained me about this topic and it's really complex.
First of all there's a certain amount of whoooooooooooooooooshness going on here.

Second, did your science friend (and wikipedia isn't a friend, btw) explain that women who like women and are attracted by and attracted to men, who are XY are extremely rare in the human population?

People's gender is determined usually by their XY or XX genes. In rare cases there can be people with other combinations. What actually determines sexual characteristics is the wash of hormones the embryo receives in the womb, which are largely controlled by their sex genes. Sometimes this doesn't work properly, so you end up with a woman who is "XY", for example. There are also various genetic factors and developmental issues that can affect physical gender. Finally there is a mental aspect, where people who are XY are physically male in every respect nonetheless feel that "inside" they are female. On top of that you've got the whole hetero/homo/inbetween sexual preferences.

The fact remains that the majority of people identify with the sexual gender provided by their physical gender, which corresponds to their sex genes, and are attracted to people of the opposite sex. So while the broad spectrum of sexual identity can be enormously complicated, for the majority of the human race it's dead simple.

As far as sexuality is concerned, in my experience, most men are very straightforward and all women are incredibly hard to understand.
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